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Supermen

  • DCEU Superman.
  • Reeves Superman.
  • Smallville Superman.
  • Routh Superman.
  • Cain Superman.

Everyone

  • MCU Endgame Avengers.
  • MCU Avengers (All Versions).
  • MCU Black Panther's Army.
  • MCU Asgardian Army.
  • MCU Dr. Strange Army.
  • MCU Thanos Army.
  • MCU Odin, Kurse, and Hela.
  • DCEU Kryptonians (General Zod, Faora-Ul, Nam-Ek, Doomsday).
  • FOX X-Men (All Versions).
  • FOX Fantastic Four (2005, 2007, 2015).
  • FOX Deadpool Squad.
  • MCU Guardians of the Galaxy.
  • MCU The Destroyer, Hulkbuster, Iron Monger, and Abomination.
  • MCU The Defenders.
  • All of the Heavy-Hitters from every Live-Action movie ever made.
  • Everyone else from all of the other Live-Action Superhero movies.

Rules

  1. Everyone has their normal gear/weapons.
  2. The Team does not include extremely powerful characters such as Dormammu, Galactus, etc.
  3. Kryptonite is not allowed in here.
  4. Infinity Stones are not allowed.
  5. The Kryptonians win if everyone is dead.
  6. The Team wins if all of the Kryptonians are dead.
  7. Everyone is bloodlust.
  8. They are fighting in the Endgame Battle area.

Who will win: The Kryptonians or the Team?

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Hmm i give it to the marvel team if they have Silver surfer. I havent seen the original superman movies so idk.

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team two stomps. you really screwed up allowing all LA heavy hitters tbh. The rest would have been dangerous enough for them.

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Smallville Superman and Reeve Superman move/destroy the planet the opposing teams are on killing most of them. The survivors get murderstomped.

Supermen win.

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@foreveralive: I would agree except for the last two throwing in so many characters from fiction some of which would be just as strong or stronger than the Supermen team.

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@seagod: Yeah, that's understandable. Still going for the Supermen though. Uber powerful characters like Dormammu aren't here.

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@foreveralive: dude live action has hundreds of superman tier characters alone. Like several that just counter the supermen or can match them enough to hold them off for them to be overpowered.

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@seagod: That sounds like it's going into the tier of "extremely powerful " that's not allowed. You'd have to be extremely powerful to beat these guys.

I don't think the OP meant to create a spite match against the Supermen, but I could be wrong.

What live action characters are you thinking about that could stomp them?

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this isn't even fair team "everyone" wins

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@foreveralive: never said stomp but there are several who can match or even take slight majority or maybe slightly weaker but with help can win. Off the top of my head though

  • DCEU Kryptonians-yeah DCEU Supes beat them but they can beat him if they teamup along with maybe MCU Ironman or Thor
  • Helen Slater Supergirl - able to hold her own against one superman but could beat one with help
  • Hancock- same as Supergirl.
  • Neo- can't beat a Superman alone but if him, Hancock, and Supergirl team up they can
  • Kamen Rider Zi-O Oma Form- doesn't have the stats to beat Superman but he can hax them to death with time manipulation.
  • God, speed, love movie Kamen Rider Kabuto- lacks the strength to beat a Superman minus DCEU but is faster than the others.
  • Shazam- Can help the Kryptonians and Ironman or Thor beat DCEU Superman easier so they can overpower the others
  • Monkey King- stats, cloning, skills
  • and many more
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Reeve/Routh Superman force a victory for team 1 (its the same version of the character and there's 2 here)

The strength level needed to lift, or push the moon, let alone move it out of its orbit is multiple orders of magnitude beyond anything the characters on team 2 have ever done.

Even if we seriously high ball characters like MCU Thor/Hulk/Thanos and assume they have the strength to lift a mountain the size of Mount Everest (~150 billion tons) they'd still be over 500 million times weaker than the Superman duo and well below Smallville Superman as well.

The strength gap between Reeve Superman and MCU Thor is greater than the strength gap between MCU Thor and Black Widow.

Nothing is coming close to hurting them from a physical standpoint, and they can oneshot anybody here or just drop the moon on team 2 since bloodlust is on.

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@kirkseven: dude the last two roster things really make Team 2 have a huge advantage tbh.

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@seagod: The characters you mentioned stand 0 chance against the Supermen all fighting as 1 team.

Still the Supermen murderstomp Team 2. They simply destroy the planets the opposing teams are on, one shotting them. Smallville Superman could throw Earth into the Sun.

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@foreveralive: I mean technically Zi-O could just timestop the Supermen easily. There's also Kamen Rider Genm 1mil who can literally just casually smack people with the moon like it's nothing. Plus he can use his game manipulation powers to upgrade his team and debuff the Supermen. There are honestly thousands of characters in this against the Supermen. Several that are slightly stronger or even decidedly stronger.

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Um, most of the Supermen on this team could take a lot of these characters alone, and three of them could take the whole team together. Five? Kiss team 2 goodbye.

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@awesomenessman1: yeah the listed characters lose but the added every heavy hitter from Live Action Movies makes team 2 win

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@seagod: Unless they can push moons are greater, then I doubt it.

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@seagod: Still the Supermen. Let's just agree to disagree on the outcome of this battle.

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@seagod: Still the Supermen. Let's just agree to disagree on the outcome of this battle.

except for you are seriously underestimating how many Superman tier characters exist in Live Action movies. Superman isn't the pinnacle of power in Live Action. There are hundreds of characters that are his match but have extra hax that outmatch them. Like for example Zi-O should be around LS but can literally just time hax them to dust or just warp back in time and kill them as babies without a care.

@seagod: Unless they can push moons are greater, then I doubt it.

well off the top of my head there is this character who casually smacks a dude with the moon

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@seagod: Okay, what are the feats of the characters that you think are above the Supermen? Without Kryptonite how do they beat them? And if the Supermen destroy the planet, how do these characters still win?

Reeve Superman also has time hax.

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@seagod: Smacking someone to the moon is roughly mountain range busting level, assuming a short timespan.

Pushing the moon is still far better.

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@angelwithl: Routh and Reeve are the very same Superman. Routh/Reeve >>>>>>>>>>>>> Smallville>Cain>>>>>>DCEU.

Super team smacks majority but problem with Dormammu. If we use script statement of Reeve Superman by shaking the universe travelling back in time ( Donnercut ) then Reeve Supes spanks Dormmy otherwise Dormammu should beat them

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@angelwithl: Ahh sorry Dormammu isn't here. So super team claps

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@seagod: Smacking someone to the moon is roughly mountain range busting level, assuming a short timespan.

Pushing the moon is still far better.

He didn't smack someone to the moon, he smacked the person WITH the moon.

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@foreveralive: lets see.

  • Kabuto is MFTL and can output Country++ level kicks and can also travel through time using speed.
  • Zi-O can summon Kamen Riders some of which are extremely haxed, can stop time, can rapidly age people, and has speed enough to keep him alive
  • Supergirl is relatively Kryptonian level not too much weaker than Reeves Superman can distract the Supermen so Zi-O can timestop them.
  • Reeves Kryptonians are also relatively near Reeves Superman even if a bit weaker. They can distract the Superman long enough for Zi-O to timestop them.
  • Fox Surfer: MFTL and has some molecular manipulation
  • Genm can make the world follow game logic so he can buff allies or even debuff enemies.

As for strategy well Zi-O could litterally age them to dust as soon as the fight starts or just time stop them for Kabuto to BFR them into the past as he's done that before. Or honestly if they are all stopped they could use the thousands of characters at their disposal to take turns beating them till they are dead. Look if it was just the listed characters alone then they would win but you are looking at thousands of "heavy hitters" in movies. While some are weaker there are several of the same tier or even stronger.

@kirkseven did you even read what I said? Genm smacked the dude with the moon. not to the moon WITH the moon.

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@zetsu-san: That feat can be replicated by Smallville Superman.

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@zetsu-san: That feat can be replicated by Smallville Superman.

Okay, but he still has to fight him plus an unquantifiable amount of other characters on this level or above.

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@seagod: Some of the Supermen are also MFTL and can travel through time so time hax won't win it for team 2.

Supermen stomp. Sorry I don't agree with you.

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@zetsu-san: He doesn't have to fight them 1 on 1. He can simply destroy the planet and kill most of Team 2. Any survivors won't beat the Supermen, they get stomped too.

The Supermen won't go down without Kryptonite from Team 2.

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@kirkseven said:

@seagod: Smacking someone to the moon is roughly mountain range busting level, assuming a short timespan.

Pushing the moon is still far better.

He didn't smack someone to the moon, he smacked the person WITH the moon.

Oh, in that case, they're peers in terms of strength.

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@kirkseven: that's one character. There are thousands of such characters in this fight that can hold their own individually against the Supermen.

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@foreveralive: the Supermen travel through time by circling the earth to reverse time. That's not even close to what the others can do. They can literally just teleport through time. Kabuto could be at Krypton when Superman was born in the time it would take Superman to blink. Zi-O can just raise his hand and all the Supermen are frozen in time. The Supermen are bricks that don't have the capabilities to handle this many people with such varieties of hax. Like this list would also include the villains from their movies that alone gave them a hard time. The Supermen are insanely outnumbered and outhaxed. They have absolutely zero advantages.

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@zetsu-san: He doesn't have to fight them 1 on 1. He can simply destroy the planet and kill most of Team 2. Any survivors won't beat the Supermen, they get stomped too.

The Supermen won't go down without Kryptonite from Team 2.

Bloodlusted =/= Morals off. There are tons of people on the planet not involved in the fight.

Also, in all of live action movies, do you really think there isn't at least one character if not a combination of characters, who can prevent the destruction of the planet?

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@seagod: So you're saying the OP created a spite match against the Supermen, on purpose since you think they're outmatched?

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@seagod: So you're saying the OP created a spite match against the Supermen, on purpose since you think they're outmatched?

I don't know if it was on purpose. The OP probably didn't think through what including all LA Movie Heavy hitters entailed.

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@zetsu-san: How do they prevent it without knowledge? If Smallville Superman decides to blitz the planet, what can they possibly do if they're unaware of the Supermen's plans?

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@zetsu-san: How do they prevent it without knowledge? If Smallville Superman decides to blitz the planet, what can they possibly do if they're unaware of the Supermen's plans?

You really that in ALL OF LIVE ACTION there aren't characters who have knowledge? You don't think that in ALL OF LIVE ACTION there aren't characters that can instantly share information across the entire team? You really don't think that in ALL OF LIVE ACTION, there aren't any characters who can intercept Superman? You really don't think that in ALL OF LIVE ACTION there aren't characters who telepathically attack the supermen to stall for time or even outright KO them? You really don't think that in ALL OF LIVE ACTION there aren't tons and tons of abilities that the supermen don't have a counter for?

I don't think you understand what ALL OF LIVE ACTION means.

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@seagod: Yeah, you have a point. It's possible the Supermen can lose. Without Kryptonite, Team 2 would have to resort to Bfr to win. But that isn't a win condition according to the OP.

How does Team 2 "kill" the Supermen without Kryptonite?

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@zetsu-san said:
@kirkseven said:

@seagod: Smacking someone to the moon is roughly mountain range busting level, assuming a short timespan.

Pushing the moon is still far better.

He didn't smack someone to the moon, he smacked the person WITH the moon.

Oh, in that case, they're peers in terms of strength.

Pushing the moon <<<<<<<<< Swinging it around as a weapon....

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@kirkseven said:
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@kirkseven said:

@seagod: Smacking someone to the moon is roughly mountain range busting level, assuming a short timespan.

Pushing the moon is still far better.

He didn't smack someone to the moon, he smacked the person WITH the moon.

Oh, in that case, they're peers in terms of strength.

Pushing the moon <<<<<<<<< Swinging it around as a weapon....

Pushing the moon at hypersonic speed ~ Swinging it around as a weapon...

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@seagod: Yeah, you have a point. It's possible the Supermen can lose. Without Kryptonite, Team 2 would have to resort to Bfr to win. But that isn't a win condition according to the OP.

How does Team 2 "kill" the Supermen without Kryptonite?

they can use spatial attacks that ignore durability, physically overpower them, drain their powers till they are just a husk, rapid age them till they are just a husk, telepathically attack them till they are brain dead, etc. There are so many ways they could.

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@kirkseven said:

Pushing the moon <<<<<<<<< Swinging it around as a weapon....

Pushing the moon at hypersonic speed ~ Swinging it around as a weapon...

You can't swing the moon around as a weapon unless you can move the moon at massively hypersonic speeds... >_>

I don't feel like calcing it, but I'm pretty sure swinging the moon like that is straight up FTL.

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@zetsu-san: It's a bit ambiguous nonetheless. What characters who are below "extremely powerful " are able to do this? And also defeat the Supermen without Kryptonite?

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@zetsu-san: It's a bit ambiguous nonetheless. What characters who are below "extremely powerful " are able to do this? And also defeat the Supermen without Kryptonite?

Do the Supermen have any TP, soul, reality warping, or molecular manipulation resistance whatsoever?

If not, then... literally any character with those abilities.... >_>

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@seagod: Show me the feats of characters who have done these type of things to Smallville/Reeve/Routh/Cain Superman level characters.

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@zetsu-san: Some of that sounds like abilities an "extremely powerful" character would have. OP doesn't allow those type of characters.

Telepathy is interesting, but the Supermen can resist TP. Plus that won't kill them. Read the OP, the Supermen have to be killed in order for Team 2 to win.

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@seagod: Show me the feats of characters who have done these type of things to Smallville/Reeve/Routh/Cain Superman level characters.

dude Spatial Cuts IGNORE durability. You need special resistance that Superman doesn't have to survive that.

Superman has zero telepathic resistance feats, he ages so obviously being rapidly aged would work against him, he has been physically overpowered before, he has also been drained I believe too. Show me proof Superman can stand up to the thousands of hax abilities combined with characters that have similar stats as him?

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@zetsu-san: Some of that sounds like abilities an "extremely powerful" character would have. OP doesn't allow those type of characters.

Telepathy is interesting, but the Supermen can resist TP. Plus that won't kill them. Read the OP, the Supermen have to be killed in order for Team 2 to win.

The examples the OP listed as "extremely powerful" are high end cosmic entities like Galactus and Dormammu. There are characters with molecular manipulation, telepathy, soul attacks, and reality warping that aren't even planetary.

The latter 3 are staple abilities in the horror and supernatural genre.

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@seagod: No, I asked you first to show me proof. And these abilities you speak of leave some ambiguity on if they can actually kill the Supermen.

What are the feats and characters? And durability feats of the characters you're using?

Also, the Supermen can blitz the planet and kill the majority of Team 2. Still haven't seen a decent counter to this.