This fight will be divided between two rounds:
- OoT Link vs BotW Link
- MM Link vs Tears of the Kingdom Link
Both rounds will be random encounters on neutral ground.
Both rounds will have all their endgame equipment and be in character.
@wolfrazer: if you're talking heroes shade, then wouldn't that only be OoT link for round 1. Even then I don't think that's enough to beat botw link. The master sword has been furiously amped since he wielded it and is meant to kill immortal deities, and botw link displays the most versatile combat skill, as well as highest combat speed
@wolfrazer: aren't they different timelines tho? Like the heroes shade that ends up in TP isn't the same timeline link that MM falls into.
I don't think Oot has comparable combat speed, maybe MM when he uses half time. I think they all have comparable reaction time, but botw and totk link clearly have the best combat speed
Multiplication helps, but again botw has the superior combat speed and has dealt with enemies who clone. link also has maneuverability advantage due to flight, plus he can literally stop the heroes shade in place momentarily.
I think heroes shade may have a sword skill advantage, but botw link has the overall combat skill advantage seeing as he's much more versatile I'd also say he has better bow and arrow feats
@vjbthe3: No MM takes place in the same timeline as TP. They're the same Link. Nah, a composite OoT/MM Link is going to have similar combat speed, he already out speeds opponents that can see others in slow motion. So I'm not seeing any superior combat speed advantage, stopping the Hero in place won't work, the guy is beyond both time and space. You'd have to show BoTW/ToTK Link can stop someone who isn't bound by time and space.. In fact who's to say Botw/ToTK Link is even going to see him? He can go completely invisible and can only be seen if he wants to be seen.
Versatility is all well and good, but it's not like this is anything new and if we're going with Composite, then OoT/MM Link has this as well anyway.
@wolfrazer: ok. Still regardless, the the thread separates mm and oot link. I still think oot link with heroes shade feats and abilities would lose to botw link and however I do think mm link with heroes shade abilities and feats would beat to totk link. Totk abilities are lackluster for combat. I've already stated that mm/oot composite link would beat totk/botw link
What feat are you scaling from with the seeing enemies in slowmo thing
Stasis should work on heroes shade, it works on ganon.
Invisibility is useful. But botw link has a barrier to protect from blindside attacks and multiple AoE type of assaults, not to mention multiple types of sights
@vjbthe3: Why would Stasis work on The Hero just because it works on Ganon? Ganon exists within time and space, The Hero exists outside/is beyond both, not really the same thing.
The Hero was able to blitz TP Link who can see enemies moving in slow motion and can already blitz multiple monsters in wolf form before they can even react.
Though come to think of it as per OP, maybe perhaps he really did just mean composite at the end of their respective games given he mentioned endgame equipment. Though I'm not entirely sure why then, it's composite since....I mean nothing really changes anyway?
Now if that's the case, well actually I'm still not sure who'd win.
@wolfrazer: ganon's resisted the effects of both time and space manipulation in weaker forms. As long as the shade exist in time during the fight he should be affected by it.
When did tp link see enemies in slow motion, you can link a YouTube clip if you don't want to gif it.
@vjbthe3: Yeah but the Shade exists beyond time and space, like his power is above that. But regardless, moot point anyway as I think OP was meaning more just going by their respective endgames. So I'm willing to just drop this tangent altogether.
Still though, I'm unsure of who can win, because both have pretty similar gear setups. Although from cutscenes, it appears BotW/TotK Link doesn't use a shield(until the player actually gets to control them), from what we see in cutscenes. If we take that as Canon into account that this Link doesn't use a shield, that's a bit of a handicap for him.
He doesn't seem to wear any armor it seems either, again...unless the player chooses to have him wear said armor. I feel like we shouldn't take into account anything the player does as far as what gear sets both Links have, considering....that's not exactly Canon. He has the Shiekah Slate in BotW and Rauru's Arm in TotK, but I'm wondering if he would actually use either in combat against an actual opponent? Or if he would even have time to do so? In all honesty, these devices seemed more optimal for puzzle/solution solving situations rather than being combat applicable, like outside of game and in lore what I mean.
As far as what we know as far as being what these OoT/MM Links have...it's been awhile but I'm going off of memory here.
Endgame OoT Link: Master Sword/Hylian Shield, Megaton Hammer, bombs, bow & arrows, longshot, pegasus/iron boots, golden gauntlets, Din's Fire, Nayru's Love, Farore's Wind.
Endgame MM Link= Kikori Sword(or I guess Gilded Sword if we wanna be fair so Link doesn't have basically a knife)/Hylian shield, bombs, bow & arrows, Goron/Zora/Deku masks and the Fierce Deity Mask.
I wanna say either of these Links can still win, although MM Link would have to more rely on the FD Mask as I can't recall if he has any magical invulnerability outside of what the player can grab along the way.
That said I can also see either BotW/TotK Link winning as well, but not because of how said player can just give him all kinds of stuff, or that he'll randomly due something. Come to think of it, ToTK Link probably has more chance of winning given he has the Sages as backup, so he could outnumber on that alone.
@wolfrazer: he's taught parrying in a shrine, has a shield surfing sidequest, and has shield equipment for illusion battles, so it seems canon he uses shields. As for shiekah slate, stasis is at least upgraded for specifically enemies and is part of a quest so that seems canon as well. Don't know why he wouldn't use something so practical. That being said to take out random stuff would be like removing OoT's magic since it's all optional, it just both OoT link and Mm link have significantly less stuff than either botw or totk link
However either way even limiting botw link's gear he should still win. He still has speed advantage, maneuverability advantage with flight, better AoE attacks, ranged master sword strikes, internal revival, arguably better shield seeing as it doesn't diminish with time, and stronger master sword
Totk link could win too, I just think lack of stasis and champions abilities really dampers him, summons help tho
@vjbthe3: Yeah but in the cutscenes we see Link in outside of gameplay, Link doesn't carrying a shield, only the Master Sword. Even in the opening to ToTK, he doesn't have a shield. But isn't Stasis used more for objects and the like? I know he can upgrade it in a quest, but isn't that just an optional one? I'm not looking at side quests here, because it's not something that is actually focused on the main questline.
OoT's magic isn't exactly optional, magic is needed for certain things for Link to do, example getting into the Shadow Temple requires Link to have Magic in order to use Din's Fire to light all those torches. Same with using the Lens of Truth in said Temple. So Link needing magic isn't just something that is optional, as it's required to progress.
I don't really see how he has a better shield, considering that OoT/MM's Link shield doesn't diminish either and that's assuming if he Canonical uses one, but from cutscenes, we see he doesn't appear to use or need one at all. Granted I did forget about the MS ranged ability, though I don't think it would be something that either of the other Link's could handle.
In all honesty though I don't think speed or maneuverability, considering that Link even in OoT/MM is also pretty quick and maneuverable, he's certainly shown to be very durable too....but then this is pretty much all the Links we've seen.
I don't see flight being very useful considering it's not as if BotW Link is anything speedy within the air, or at least moving so quick he can't dodge attacks forever and he has to completely drop the sail to do any sort of attack.
I did forget about that one bit with Mipha's Grace being able to revive, though I feel as if he did die first, that would just mean a win for the other Link. Still yeah, that is an advantage.
Tbh I feel like either can win? It just comes down to who can strike the other first, or who's invulnerability lasts the longest. Though I feel we're just gonna be going round and round in circles at this point.
Though ToTK Link with additional help in those Sages summons is a better boon and I feel he could win more often than BotW.
@wolfrazer: I would think side quest, shrines, etc are all canon to his story. Some of the side quest are referenced in totk pretty heavy, like tarrey town for example. Completing the shrines has its own cutscenes narrated by Zelda. Link doesn't carry one in cutscenes but he is taught to parry, he might not prefer it, but I don't think he'd be choose such a disadvantage against a shielded foe since he does have shields as gear
I meant mainly Nayrus love, the only one that matters. Dins fire is ok, but kind of lacking compared to urbosas fury
By shield I meant nayrus love vs daruks protection
Botw Link has flight and ss combat speed, that's like significantly better than oot link
He's shown doing aerial combat with arrows and bomb arrows, significant advantage for botw link.
Again botw link is faster so he'd get the first hit. I disagree with circles part, but ok.
I think both botw and totk take the win here
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