Lifebringer Galactus vs Barbatos

Who win ?

Wasn't it barbatos' job to destroy universes? Do i not know some thing about LB Galactus? I know he's suppose to be stronger than all previous versions but is he really that strong now?

IIRC I don’t remember Barbatos doing much of significance.

While Barbatos is able to destroy universes and create worlds, trap others in some nightmares and shake the strings of the multiverse with his scream, Life Brigner Galactus has more feats and hold the heart of the sixth iteration of the multiverse.. I think Galactus win

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I don't know anything about Lifebringer Galactus but Barbatos was eating universes and about to destroy the main multiverse, plus he killed his creator, the World-Forger who creates multiverses.

Even Dream of the Endless couldnt stop Barbatos from doing anything. Barbatos takes this very, very easily.

@gollum: can you post scans for barbatos killing the world forger?

Toss up

The Forger Monitor just recently explained that Bat-Mite and Mxyztplk were nothing by comparison. Barbatos defeated The Forger Monitor. Galactus stands no chance.

Barbatos blinks.

He never said this.

Arent Barbatros was the dragon of the world forger , and then defeated the forger ?

I think Barbatos shoud win here

Let me link some dialogue from The Forger himself showcasing that nothing Mxyztplk was doing was of any consequence to him. You and others can decide for yourself, because 100% of his dialogue is aimed around showing everyone else that the battle between Bat-mite and Mxyztplk was ultimately going to hindge on his decision, but he gave that option to Batman. That was the entire point of the new Justice League arc.

Having typed all that out before I even had my morning coffee...lol. I do fully admit I should not have said "he said this exact statement" and I didn't mean to imply he directly referenced it. He didn't. The Forger does view everything else in Creation save for his Brothers and Perpetua as far lesser things to be judged though. Because the entire plot point of JL's new issues arc was Bat-mite vs Mxyzptlk and how the Forger was judging their battle for the fate of Creation. And your proof of that is him quite literally ignoring whoever won it and giving Batman's volition the deciding factor.

@michaeljulius: Thats a bunch of speculation. The only thing you have thats even relatively close to reaffirming what you claimed is the first scan where Mxy explains the 6th dimension and even in that scan, nowhere does he state that they're more powerful than him, the only way we can take that is if we go by dimensional hierarchy and if we go by dimensional hierarchy then the 4th dimensional beings shouldn't have been defeated the three brothers who are 6th dimensional and Mxy himself has personally shown over time that dimensional hierarchy does not apply to him anyways.

@rampagethefirst: I am cool with speculation. But, there is overwhelming evidence. Because as mentioned, the entire plot point there was The Forger allowing The Imps to do battle and ignoring the outcome, giving the final say so to Batman.

And no, the dimensional heirarchy argument doesnt work here. The 6th dimension is just a title. It doesn't mean 6-D. Neither does the 5th Dimension. If we go by classic physics, 5-D means it is the dimension where electromagnetism and gravity combine. Nothing more. Imps have a lot more control over things than that. You were shown scans of Forger explaining exactly what his 6th Dimension was. It is the place beyond all physics. So using physics to explain a place beyond physics is invalid.

No physics there. Its infinite-D. It is the place past Imagination. A place Imps can't quite grasp or even get to. That isn't speculation. Mxyztplk states that clearly. The Monitor 6th Dimension is a place that doesn't make sense and of impossible things. It is a thing past imagination as Myx put it. The Dimensionality argument is totally invalid in the 6th Dimension. Forger explains that clearly.Myx states he can't get to the 6th dimension in the first place. It is beyond his power. That is 100% debunked.

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@michaeljulius: Yeah because the forger COULDN'T do anything nor does he have the feats to suggest he can actually stand up to the imps.

I don't think you quite understand what I was trying to say. I was saying that the dimensional hierarchy does not work since the 6th dimensional beings were defeated by 4th dimensional beings and this was just in case you were planning to use it.

Him not being able to grasp the 6th dimension does not in anyway imply that he's less powerful than them, in fact, the same issue that you're referencing, prior to that, the monitors (including World Forger) were defeated by the 4th dimensional beings.

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So yes, it is indeed speculation to say that Mxy is less powerful than them just because they exist on a higher plane of existence, as a matter of fact, this has been the case ever since dimensions/plane of existences were introduced, back in post-crisis as well where 6th dimensional beings were losing to 3rd dimensional beings and there are a myriad of examples to pick from.

Do come back with more definitive proof-if you can, suggesting Mxy being inferior to 6th dimensional beings because as of now, all you've done is type a bunch of unrelated things and reiterated your interpretation of the comic with some speculation here and there.

@rampagethefirst: I disagree, there is nothing to denote he couldn't stop them and there are an absurd amount of scans to denote he was vastly superior to all of them. He watched them and his entire role was to judge Creation. He already took out the mother of Creation herself. The being that made the Imps in the first place. But, I support your view on it. Not at all arguing it is absolutely wrong, I just don't agree with it.

And I want to type out the entire text box for the scans you have posted in your defense. Because they are not relevant at all in this argument and dont support your cause at all. Here is the entire dialogue in text form. Nothing here says anything about the heirarchy. In fact, my scan that Myxzptlk states is more accurate to the cosmology where it says they can pass and be reborn in the Forge. It means nothing

"But even in these meager forms of flesh, they can harness each of their energies of creation, and weild them, peer into the fourth dimension, dont see them as they are now, see them as they are in a hundred thousand years from now. How they will evolve and form. You were my first beings, they will be my last."

(Monitors came first before anything else)

My Warriors. What need of you for Warriors. You have watched the rise and fall of many civilizations my child. You know the importance of war.

Mother, you are troubled again.

Yes

I was curious and spied into the greater omniverse and obversed something strange in the neighboring multiverses.

This is a dramatic overstep of your function

i know

In all the omniverse there is no greater sin than to overstep your function, speak carefully now

you told us that the other multiverses were formed by beings such as you, but our neighbors have no such duplicate, this means that your function has come to an end with our multiverse or you are meant to die after the creation of this multiverse...and now you are preparing for resistance. This implies that you know you will be judged poorly.

Look at them Mar Novu, see their hunger in their eyes, the potential for their destruction. THE JUDGES OF THE SOURCE. They want these beings to achieve harmony.

(Perpetua is the Source. And she has Judges)

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Here we have Perpetua speaking to Monitor about how Monitor made an oopsie and looked outside the Multiverse into another one and heeeyyyyy wait, Mom isn't the Creator of that one. What gives? Turns out Mom has a judge too. Guess who the Source is. Read that line carefully Rampage.

See their hunger in their eyes, the potential for their destruction. (The beings of Creation) The Judges of the Source (Over Monitor most likely) They want these beings to achieve harmony. ( Over Monitor learning more about things and has come to grow feelings and wants things to happen in certain ways)

Which is what just recently happened at the end of Dark Knight Metal. Over Monitor stepped in and judged against Mandrakk and rewrote him. Perpetua is afraid of Over Monitor.

So nowhere in this does it talk about Imps or anything like that. In fact, it affirms what I've said in that The Monitors are top dog at the moment. Imps are a lower class and even Mxy agrees. So at the end of this, you have a statement directly from Myx saying he isnt as strong as the Monitors, an explanation of what the 6th Dimension is and that its higher tier than the 5th Dimension (that its beyond physics and imagination, its the impossible), that the plot point of the last major story of JL issues is that the Forger is playing chess with Imps and ignores their battle entirely...but you don't see the evidence in any of this that Imps are lesser than The Forger?

At this point, I can bow out of the debate and wish you luck and enjoyment too, because you have overwhelming evidence there. And if the actual character telling you only four things exist that can do something and I am not one of them isnt enough for you, then nothing will be and there is no more debate to be had on the subject.

@michaeljulius: Well then, let's just agree to disagree.

Barbatos, obviously.

@rampagethefirst: Deal. :)

Galactus one shots him. Who cares about his forger feat when he was one shotted by a punch from Superman being amped by some stars meanwhile LB Galactus fights at a conceptual level and was already capable of wiping out an infinite multiverse on his own in base.

@stezzy: That isn't what happened. He got hit with infinity and beyond, so impossible that nothing can understand it. And all it did was knock him over and make him say unfair, I can't hit back because Im not in combat mode at the moment.

Scan says he was hit with a term so potent that physics cannot handle it and that no speed value can describe it. Barbatos beat the guy who just tanked getting hit by something beyond even that.

@michaeljulius: He got hit by a literal fist traveling at MFTL speed, it even says so right before he punches him. How is this feat “infinity and beyond” when it says that light and sound will eventually catch up to him in hours? The Forger was clearly unable to fight after getting punched, he couldn’t even stand or react to a MFTL punch. If he’s as powerful as you’re saying then a physical attack moving at MFTL speed shouldn’t have done as much damage to him as it did. All Superman did was bathe in some stars so why couldn’t he beat Superman? This honestly makes Forger look bad and this is the guy people are scaling Barbatos off of.

@stezzy: No it doesnt. The area he is in is fully explained. It is a place beyond imagination. Batman is placing Suns inside of a dimension that has nothing inside of it. Physics doesn't exist there.

You are saying that sound waves are being carried and that is what soils it all as a lesser feat? Batman placed all that there for Superman to encourage him.

@michaeljulius: “Beyond imagination” means nothing when said feat is being explained with science. The narrator described a mere MFTL punch amped by some stars that one shotted Forger and he couldn’t even react to it. Physics clearly still exists there if light and sound still follows the same rules as Superman’s home dimensions. All Batman did was place the stars there for Superman, you act as if he applied physics to the dimension. You’re speculating hard on that timeline shenanigan. It says absolutely nothing about infinite timelines. We don’t even know the exact number of timelines being used here.

Being “above imagination” doesn’t mean you have infinite everything. Galactus’ existence was stated as being beyond imagination as well.

@stezzy: No speculuation. Labeled clearly. The Speed was infinite and a number beyond imagination that was impossible to reach because it was happening in a place of impossibility, a place beyond physics. You've missed the point of the comic story. Your argument is that there is physics in a place that tells you there is no physics. That Supermans speed was quantifiable when it says it wasnt. You are making an argument based on numerical values when the comic tells you that you cannot, so there is no further debate at this point. I wish you success in the future debate here if you continue to do so. I've said all I can say, because your argument is essentially that Superman's cape isn't red.

Wait wasn't Barbatos once threatened the Dreaming by bringing the stories of Lucien's library into reality? If he can do that, he should be more than a threat for LB Galactus..

Galactus stomps. Barb needed the dark batmen to do anything to earth, meanwhile Galactus banishes conceptual entities like chaos and order. Galactus wins

Galactus, but Barbatos isnt a joke.

Barbados eats him & harvests his body like practically every iteration.

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