Leon And Chris Resident Evil Run The Captain America Gauntlet

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Chris And Leon have standard gear game and movie feats random encounter

Round 1 MCU Cap And Buck

Round 2 Captain And Buck 616

Round 3 Ultimate Captain America

can duo wins this

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Also they are headed after each round

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They take round 1 but not without a fight. Round 2 they lose. Not sure about round 3, all my knowledge on Ultimate Cap is off the vine so he is either a chump or a solid mid tier

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They clear but Ultimate Cap would be hard.

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No Ameridroid?

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Clear MCU Cap & Bucky with difficulty. Stop at 616 Cap and Bucky.

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@the_hajduk: reason for the clear

Redfield is stated to be the best and most experienced fighter in the BSAA.

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By RE6 Leon is stated to be the best agent working for the US government. He is so high-ranking within the government that he only reports to the President himself.

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This puts them in direct scaling with 616 Cap who is also said many times to be the country's or the planet's #1 soldier.

Now what you need to know about Resident Evil scaling, is that the BSAA and STARS are distinctly above regular special forces and law enforcement, because they deal with BOWs.

It is stated that the military and special forces cannot prepare someone for fighting BOWs.

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It is even stated that regular people will just kill themselves if they confront BOWs because they cannot handle the fear.

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It's also stated that STARS were created to deal with crimes that the regular police can't. Obviously Chris is stated to be the ace of STARS many times.

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Let's talk about Krauser because not a lot of people really understand who this guy is supposed to be.

Krauser was originally stated to be the best soldier in the whole military including the special forces.

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He was discharged and abandoned by the government when he lost his arm. So he became a mercenary and immediately became the best mercenary in the world instead, while having 1 arm.

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Insane statements. But this guy is low tier within the Resident Evil verse. Like he kinda sucks when you think about it. He became so jealous of Leon that he turned himself into a monster just to keep up with Leon, and he still gets killed easily not only by Leon, but even by Ada who is a distinct tier below Leon.

So Krauser is multiple tiers below Leon and he is the single best fighter in the "regular" military and world.

BSAA, DSO, and "The Organization" are all tiers above regular training, and Leon and Chris are stated to be at the very top of those food chains.

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They can't beat one

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They can't beat one

Redfield beats MCU Cap.

Redfield cannot be restrained in an elevator by a group of people. He can punch a whole crowd away.

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Redfield has better lifting and striking feats than any version of Captain America (besides Ultimate). Chris causes a 100 ton object to shake every time he punches it.

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Chris catches a giant monster and straight up manhandles it.

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Redfield cannot be restrained in an elevator by a group of people. He can punch a whole crowd away.

Cap was only restrained due to sci-fi technology

Redfield has better lifting and striking feats than any version of Captain America (besides Ultimate). Chris causes a 100 ton object to shake every time he punches it.

Cap beat Spider man who could pull together a 3200 ton ferry.

Chris catches a giant monster and straight up manhandles it.

He was clearly inferior given that he had to use both hands to catch it. It wasn't even that big and Cap destroying stone pillars was more impressive honestly.

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MCU Captain America stomps due to scaling.

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@joshua755: Thanks. Which feats or scans did I post that you found most interesting?

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@the_hajduk: Ultimate Cap solos. That guy took and and beat the Ultimate Avengers consisting of Ultimate Hawkeye , Warmachine, Nerd Hulk, and other fodder supers. As well as a prep SHIELD team backing the Avengers. Ultimate Cap held back too, and wanted to be captured basically giving up purposefully in the end after manhandling the team. Chris and Leon are shit to that.

616 Bucky and Cap have a high chance to win. MCU Cap and Bucky get wreck though.

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@sirfizzwhizz: The problem is that Ultimate Cap is alone here. He’s going to get double-teamed with no one to watch his back.

His fight with the Ultimates was impressive but none of those characters are skilled/smart like Leon and Chris. Ultimate Cap beat the Ultimates but he can still be threatened by a skilled street level warrior like himself. Nuke gave him tons of trouble and even has a win over Steve. And this is like fighting two Nukes.

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@sirfizzwhizz: The problem is that Ultimate Cap is alone here. He’s going to get double-teamed with no one to watch his back.

He doesn't need back up. Your argument is like the same of Wesker vs Jill and Chris. "He is alone here" and that meant shit to Wesker? Ultimate Cap who is leagues above Wesker?

His fight with the Ultimates was impressive but none of those characters are skilled/smart like Leon and Chris.

Im sorry wth did you just say? That team had the insane and superhuman smart and skilled Ultimate Hawkeye leading it. As well two heavy hitters (Hulk and Warmachine) who solo RE Village and all the BOWs in RE6. Along with a elite team of SHIELD lead by general Fury who fights threats that shit on RE universe.

Are you joking me right now?

Ultimate Cap beat the Ultimates but he can still be threatened by a skilled street level warrior like himself.

Actually what "street leveler" ever threaten Cap?

Nuke gave him tons of trouble and even has a win over Steve. And this is like fighting two Nukes.

Nuke has all the super stats and enhancements and training as Ultimate Cap. Nuke only manage to get the better of Cap with total surprise and Cap not having details on Nuke or his nature. Nuke also had super soldier army at his beck and call. Nuke also had tons of info on Cap before hand.

Even then Cap in a super weaken state of starvation, blood drain, and thirst, after weeks of torture finally decimated Nuke in a fair fight fine.

So not a good example. Nor is Chris or Leon comparable to Nuke really at all.

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@sirfizzwhizz: Nuke has better piercing durability than Leon or Chris true , but that is all he has. He is nowhere near as skilled as them. He is brute. They have also shown better strength and speed feats than him. For example, after Licker already attacked Chris and was just few cm away from hitting him, Chris was able to reload his gun, turn around and shot it in the face:

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which is very notable, given that Licker itself has shown FTE feats:

Then you have fact that Chris was making Wesker bleed with his hits, who is durable enough to tank rocket exploding to his face and only be stunned due to his weakness to heat

Nuke is honestly poor man's Krauser

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#26  Edited By sirfizzwhizz

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@sirfizzwhizz: Nuke has better piercing durability than Leon or Chris true , but that is all he has. He is nowhere near as skilled as them. He is brute.

Says who? He was train to be the best, and undergone the same Cap formula. Which in itself grant super genius as a side effect.

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As stated Frank had the same abilities of Caps, including the serum to make you a super genius.

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So unskilled brute? My ass.

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In their first fight Nuke also states for 20 years he studied and prep for the showdown with the original legend, as well having same training (better training actually by military standards) as Cap as well detail knowledge of Cap and his abilities.

So in their first and only fight where Nuke wins, he has same abilities, stats, genius, and training, on top of surprise and prep vs Cap.

They have also shown better strength and speed feats than him. For example, after Licker already attacked Chris and was just few cm away from hitting him, Chris was able to reload his gun, turn around and shot it in the face:

which is very notable, given that Licker itself has shown FTE feats:

Cap has better speed period and Nuke has same stats and abilities per the serum. Hell, nuke made WEAKER Super soldiers from his blood alone, and they have incredible feats.

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A malnourish skinny female alone throwing Cap several dozen yards like a football and through the trees from the momentum lmao. Thats the weak Super Soldiers made from Nukes blood injected into them lmao.

Add to this Nuke beat Cap Nuke in the whole comic relied on his army of Super Soldiers and Cap unwillingness to harm them to keep Cap in check.

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Th one time Nuke didnt have them he called for their help quickly.

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Then finally when Cap lost alot of blood, starve, tortured, and near death Nuke took Cap one on one and lost.

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Then you have fact that Chris was making Wesker bleed with his hits, who is durable enough to tank rocket exploding to his face and only be stunned due to his weakness to heat

And Cap has tank 100+ toner blows as well things that flat out LOL at RPG fire firepower and not be put down. Yet Nuke gave Cap hell. Your point?

Nuke is honestly poor man's Krauser

Nuke is leagues above Krauser by statements and feats. Sorry to bust your false narrative Nuke is street level and unskilled lmao.

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Says who? He was train to be the best, grant super genius

So unskilled brute? My ass.

Krauser skills were said to be totally unparalleled in the US Military, which means he's not only the very best soldier, he's on a whole different level than everyone else, even among elite special forces units:

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Krauser also had precog, he could predict every move Leon makes, and yet Leon still defeated him. Also, being super genius does not mean you are very skilled fighter, by that logic Einstein was more skilled fighter than Bruce Lee

In their first fight Nuke also states for 20 years he studied and prep for the showdown with the original legend, as well having same training (better training actually by military standards) as Cap as well detail knowledge of Cap and his abilities.

So in their first and only fight where Nuke wins, he has same abilities, stats, genius, and training, on top of surprise and prep vs Cap.

First of all, as we saw later, and as you admitted, weakened Cap beat Nuke, so idea that he is nearly as skilled as Cap goes out of the window from that alone. Now Krauser himself knew all about Leon, having fought on same team as him, he had bit better stats then him, as well as precog, and Leon still defeated him

Cap has better speed period

Please show me speed feats Cap has that are better than statuing FTE character. Or Chris kicking Hunter in face who in same panel casually dodged point blank Shotgun:

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Cap has dodged bullets yes, but never at point blank like this, and Chris straight up hit them faster then they can react

Add to this Nuke beat Cap Nuke in the whole comic relied on his army of Super Soldiers and Cap unwillingness to harm them to keep Cap in check. Th one time Nuke didnt have them he called for their help quickly.Then finally when Cap lost alot of blood, starve, tortured, and near death Nuke took Cap one on one and lost.

Exactly my point, Nuke is nowhere near as skilled as Cap or Leon and Chris. He mostly just has his stats, hence why I called him brute.

And Cap has tank 100+ toner blows as well things that flat out LOL at RPG fire firepower and not be put down. Yet Nuke gave Cap hell. Your point?

My point is that anyone and their mother has tanked blows from high tiers when they hold back enough. There is also few such PIS stuff here and there sure, but I am talking about actual quantifiable stuff, like Chris being hit by point blank anti tank RPG, and instantly getting up as if nothing happened:

Cap is consistently hurt by less than that

Nuke is leagues above Krauser by statements and feats. Sorry to bust your false narrative Nuke is street level and unskilled lmao.

I mean Cap is street level lol, so of course that Nuke is too. And please show me feats for Nuke better than Krauser turning superhumans into paste with single hit:

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Krauser skills were said to be totally unparalleled in the US Military, which means he's not only the very best soldier, he's on a whole different level than everyone else, even among elite special forces units:

Krauser also had precog, he could predict every move Leon makes, and yet Leon still defeated him. Also, being super genius does not mean you are very skilled fighter, by that logic Einstein was more skilled fighter than Bruce Lee

Your looking more foolish than usual. as any child knows Cap has stated combat skills.

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Cap stated in bio as mastering numerous fighting forms, and weapons. Stated a tactical and strategic genius. Rated a 6 on the Marvel Grid.

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Dugan stated Cap as a human was the perfect candidate for having a weak broken body, but high enough intellect before being super human and made smarter.

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Captain America is stated Genius by Banner thanks to the Super Soldier Formula which had in fact enhance Steve's mind as much his body.

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Nick Fury states Cap is strategically off the scale even for SHIELD in tactics and ability.

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Cap was stated to learn new skills as fast as a computer. Fury then states in a situation where SHIELD and the Avengers tried to take Cap down, they had to assume Cap knew everything they were going to do and would do because he is that damn smart. In a world of SHIELD is elite of elite of the elite, taking on super fictional skilled and powered beings, Cap knows it all and their doctrines and training.

In their first fight Nuke also states for 20 years he studied and prep for the showdown with the original legend, as well having same training (better training actually by military standards) as Cap as well detail knowledge of Cap and his abilities.

So in their first and only fight where Nuke wins, he has same abilities, stats, genius, and training, on top of surprise and prep vs Cap.

First of all, as we saw later, and as you admitted, weakened Cap beat Nuke,

Uh duh. Thats the point. You stated Cap had lost as Nuke, a stated street level guy by your nonsense comments, Nuke was superior or some flawed bullshit logic you love to spew like vomit on this site daily. I counter how Nuke was comparable to Cap with the training regime, and abilities, including formula granting super skill and learning, and yet Cap still came out on top.

Please show me speed feats Cap has that are better than statuing FTE character. Or Chris kicking Hunter in face who in same panel casually dodged point blank Shotgun:

Cap has dodged bullets yes, but never at point blank like this, and Chris straight up hit them faster then they can react

Cough cough... super speed, cough.Fought beings and foes faster than bullets, cough.

Cap reacting to electrical attacks after they are fired in the panel by panel. Twice.

Cap reacting to Silver Heralds electrical attack after they are fired panel by panel, and has time to mentally redirect the attack back.

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Cap skill and speed was enough to keep ahead of Miss America who is solid lightspeed in reaction time. Cap Marvel had to surprise him from behind, Chavez finally gets a 50+ toner hit in, and then Cap is matching her again.

Oh wait remember Wolverine? That super speed Wolvie has in the guts thread? Cap beat Wolvie easy twice. Cap scales and shown better speed feats period.

Exactly my point, Nuke is nowhere near as skilled as Cap or Leon and Chris. He mostly just has his stats, hence why I called him brute.

No, your point was Nuke is street level and he is not as proven, and that he only beat Cap in a surprise attack after training for that particular fight with Cap severly underestimating the guy. Cap also beat Nuke only do what Cap said himself was a miracle. Cap stated Nuke had him dead to rights at times, but God clearly wanted Cap to win in Caps mind.

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Nuke is not inferior or a street leveler. He was every bit as good as Cap. Period.

My point is that anyone and their mother has tanked blows from high tiers when they hold back enough. There is also few such PIS stuff here and there sure, but I am talking about actual quantifiable stuff, like Chris being hit by point blank anti tank RPG, and instantly getting up as if nothing happened:

Again SMH at your ignorance as shit comments.

Cap is durable enough to free fall from aircraft and skyscrapers with no damage to himself. Does this multiple times. Falling 1000s of feet casually with no hindrance. where is the 1000 feet free falls Leon and Chris can do?

Ultimate Abomination was stated stronger than Ultimate Hulk was per the first Ultimates run. Slamming Cap with a haymaker, and throwing him through a wall, but Cap is still fight worthy shape. Cratered into the ground and thrown through the reinforce White House walls.

Cap is caught in a brutal beating by the 100+ ton, murdering cannibal that is Hulk. Not only is Cap never KOed after the beating, but he stays on scene to taunt Hulk and goad Hulk. All the while directing the fight. Hulk does not hold back and eats his foes and murderous cambial. Hits from nemesis? Mr X? Child play.

Cap locked blows with God Thor's attack. A attack that was strong enough to send Steve flying across the city and through a building. No harm done to Steve. Show me Leon or Chris doing this consistently. Go ahea.d

Captain America manages to block super suit using Thor's, who was mind control to kill Cap here, best strike meant to kill Cap. Cap was KOed after this for a short time though. Thor used this same attack as shown wiped out portion of the forest around cap and crater the earth deeply when used again on his evil son. However as noted, Unlike 616 Steve's shield, 1610 Steve's shield does not disperse kinetic force, its all Caps muscles and strength hold against the kinetic force of that blow.

Captain America suffered no physical damage from this Iron Man suit bull rush of a slam that explodes with the force of a Battleships bombardment! Cap was KOed, but it should be noted at the time Cap had tons of tranqs pumped in him, as well took multiple blows from super suit wearing SHIELD agents, all which likely played a role for sure. show me Leon or Chris near this. Go ahead.

Ultimate Cap slammed by a charging Warmachine through a city bridge, and is not KO at all. He was still fighting, and had no damage to him.

One of Caps better feats has him tank multiple grenades exploding in his face, followed by being shown caught in the atomic bombs blast wave, and finishes off a super speedy fall of 1000s of feet into what would be concrete hard surface of the ocean. Cap still survives all this plus being frozen for 50+ years after all this.

You cannot say these are all PIS when Leon and Chris are threaten by ZOMBIE BITES in lore all the time. GTHO. Oh wait, lets not forget the healing factor Cap has too.

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This scan flat out states some of the limits of the healing. Its not Wolverine level, but it is good enough cure cure physical damage in minuets, and excellent at purging toxins or sickness. In this case Vampirism is cured in a day. Something even Nerd Hulk could not heal from.

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Cap states his broken bones will heal within the day or so.

Cap is unfrozen after 50 years of being on ice. Banner himself states Cap should be too weak to do anything for awhile after doing tests. We see Cap go from inept to perfectly 100% in a instant. Banner admits he was off on estimates so he thinks. One of the go to guys for super humans and biological science.

Cap is ambushed by SHIELD and pumped full of tranquilizers. Cap is then beaten by super suit wearing SHIELD agents who are easy 10 toners if not much higher by feats. Cap seems down and out until his healing kicks in. Tranqs instantly purge from his system, and Cap is back to being strong enough to beat his way through the SHIELD super suit agents. Later on its stated they have to non stop pump drugs into Cap to keep him weak as stated in comic after they caught and subdue Cap eventually.

One of the best feats of this healing in play is with Nuke. Nuke tortured Cap. Starved Cap with no food, and no drinkable water. Add to all this, Nuke drain Cap's blood every day for several weeks straight. Nuke stated Cap should been so weak as unable to do anything, and the scientist claim Cap will die soon from weakness. We see how good that healing factor is, as even in this state Cap seems fully able to fight 100% when the time came to deal with Nuke. Matching Nuke blow for blow until winning.

Yeah sure Chris and Leon are more durable? Cap is more durable and better healing than freaking Wesker.

Cap is consistently hurt by less than that

Uh huh and Leon and Chris tank half the shit Cap has here? Riiiight, keep lying, its what your good at.

I mean Cap is street level lol, so of course that Nuke is too. And please show me feats for Nuke better than Krauser turning superhumans into paste with single hit:

Any human who can throw another through trees, shattering the trees like spplinter would paste humans. Cars speeding 50 to 100MPH into trees cannot do this.

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So try again Mr Dishonest. Go ahead.

@cergic@tparks look at this shit, he is at it again. I cant take it, I will be banned proving his dishonest and lying troll ass behavior.

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@sirfizzwhizz: You have your hands full responding to eredin so I am only going to respond to these two points.

He doesn't need back up. Your argument is like the same of Wesker vs Jill and Chris. "He is alone here" and that meant shit to Wesker? Ultimate Cap who is leagues above Wesker?

Chris with a partner is able to beat Wesker every time. That is why I don't think Ult Cap can solo Chris and Leon. Cooperation is extremely powerful in this series.

In this fight Chris is left standing while Jill sacrifices herself to kill Wesker. Neither of them actually die but this counts as a duo win.

Chris and Jill vs Wesker

In the two-on-two fight, you are supposed to beat the piss out of Wesker until he runs away and steal his Heart of Africa. Only low-level gamers wait the seven minutes. If you beat on him enough he will straight up run away. Running away is a loss.

Chris and Sheva vs Wesker 1

And obviously Chris and Sheva win the final fights with Wesker when they again beat the piss out of him, until Chris can physically restrain him while Sheva injects him with poison. Then they take off his head with two RPGs and leave his body in a volcano... that is a win.

Chris and Sheva vs Wesker 2

Wesker has never actually defeated Chris in a fight. They have a lot of draws and duo wins for Chris.

Leon is a stronger partner than either Jill or Sheva, so if they can overwhelm Wesker they can also overwhelm Ult Cap.

Im sorry wth did you just say? That team had the insane and superhuman smart and skilled Ultimate Hawkeye leading it.

He's not the same as Chris or Leon. He ran headfirst at Cap alone, and got his own ammo deflected back at him. He doesn't have the super soldier stats or the teamwork aspect.

As well two heavy hitters (Hulk and Warmachine) who solo RE Village and all the BOWs in RE6. Along with a elite team of SHIELD lead by general Fury who fights threats that shit on RE universe.

False.

RE Village has monsters that can withstand an orbital satellite laser. This is either large building level, or nuke level if we scale it from the Railgun.

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Nowadays, even base Tyrants have large building level durability. Mutated Tyrants have city level durability since Nemesis requires multiple hits from the Railgun, which is stated to be equal to the bomb which obliterated Raccoon City.

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Biohazard 3 Official Guidebook.

https://www.projectumbrella.net/biohazard-3-last-escape-official-guidebook---complete-conquest-of-nemesis.html

Q19. Which type of missile appeared in the ending?

A19. As of yet, it's unclear if this new type of bomb is one like a thermobraic bomb with the highest destructive power next to a nuclear weapon, but radioactive contamination appears to be extremely low. In this story, it could be said it's equal to the rail cannon as a top-secret weapon of the U.S. military.

Also the Ogroman from RE6 is stated to have incalculable strength.

https://www.projectumbrella.net/ogroman.html

As the name would suggest, this creature is one of the largest stable B.O.W.s known to exist. It's strength is incalculable, and it is violent and destructive.

Would regular Hulk solo RE6 or RE Village? Possibly.

Would the nerd Hulk who Cap oneshotted do it? Nerd Hulk has the mind of the cowardly Bruce Banner. Ultimate Bruce Banner is literally a cuckhold. Cap himself said they "took away his edge" by giving him the mind of Banner. Nerd Hulk wasn't even tough enough to withstand a nut tap.

So would Nerd Hulk solo Resident Evil? Absolutely not. It is stated that normal people will straight up just kill themselves in a Biohazard situation. The fear and the insanity is that extreme. Cuck Bruce Banner will either super jump to the next continent from fear, or go insane and find a way to kill himself.

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@sirfizzwhizz: You have your hands full responding to eredin so I am only going to respond to these two points.

Im done with Eredin, he is not nearly as fun to debate with as you my old friend.

Chris with a partner is able to beat Wesker every time. That is why I don't think Ult Cap can solo Chris and Leon. Cooperation is extremely powerful in this series.

In this fight Chris is left standing while Jill sacrifices herself to kill Wesker. Neither of them actually die but this counts as a duo win.

Wesker also lost to a very plot heavy window fall scenario. Is it impossible for anyone to not win via plot? Nah, but unlike Wesker Cap is better across the board in strength and durability, and by statements and feats of his more dangerous universe better in skill and tactics.

In the two-on-two fight, you are supposed to beat the piss out of Wesker until he runs away and steal his Heart of Africa. Only low-level gamers wait the seven minutes. If you beat on him enough he will straight up run away. Running away is a loss.

Yeah, but again, Wesker does not use weapons as abundance as Cap gear has and Wesker does not have a broken ass OP shield. Nor as skilled or strong and durable. Its not comparable.

And obviously Chris and Sheva win the final fights with Wesker when they again beat the piss out of him, until Chris can physically restrain him while Sheva injects him with poison. Then they take off his head with two RPGs and leave his body in a volcano... that is a win.

Key words, they have to temp restrain him, something they can never do to Cap, and poison him. Without the poison/injection, they cannot win. Thats the point.

Wesker has never actually defeated Chris in a fight. They have a lot of draws and duo wins for Chris.

Chris never beaten Wesker either, all he can do is surive fro Wesker to take his leave (Chris/Shiva vs Wesker), have Chris run away himself (Wesker in Code Veronica), BFR Wesker away (Jill/Chris vs Wesker), or flat out need special plot device injection to win finally.

Leon is a stronger partner than either Jill or Sheva, so if they can overwhelm Wesker they can also overwhelm Ult Cap.

Whats more impressive? Seriously. Ultimate Cap beating a well prep SHIELD team lead by Ultimate Hawkeye, Warmachine, Hulk, and Black Widow? Orrrrr... Chris and whoever semi matching Wesker together?

He's not the same as Chris or Leon. He ran headfirst at Cap alone, and got his own ammo deflected back at him. He doesn't have the super soldier stats or the teamwork aspect.

He has no super soldier stats or team work? Clint lead his team of Avengers fine against foes, and only due to Cap botching the prep ambush cause Hawkeye to "run at him headfirst" and get caught off. Not to mention Clint was holding back. Hawkeye has beaten Ultimate Spider Man, Ultimate Sabertooth, and killed dozens of super soliders who eat MR X one on one by himself.

Also no super stats for Hawkeye?

Super Accuracy, beyond bullshit levels!

Hawkeye makes a impossible shot with a inaccurate RPG, at an small target moving over 200 MPH, over a mile distance. Impossible for anyone but Hawkeye.

Hawkeye in drugged and tortured for several days straight. Yet here he impossibly rips off his finger nails, and in this state of mind accurately flicks the finger nails into the throats of the guards in the room. Insane.

With just his some broke glass and his bow, Hawkeye takes out three powerful super beings. Beings that wrecked Helicarriers, the Triskelion, and SHIELD's forces

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Even when blind Hawkeye is able to make accurate several accurate head shots at the same time.

Hawkeye is stated that his accuracy plays a role in close combat as well. When Hawkeye punch Punisher in the face, Clint hit Frank in such a way to knock out the explosive tooth implant so Frank could run off when he need too.

Super Speed called Twitch Factor

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Stated Hawkeye possess a super speed called the twitch factor.

Hawkeye rapid fires arrows faster than dozens of super suit soldiers can react or tag him.

Hawkeye rapid fires arrows into Kree faster than they can process what is going on.

Hawkeye rapid fires arrows like a machine gun does bullets. Arrows one behind the other.

Stated and shown one of the top Skilled SHIELD agents.

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As said earlier, Hawkeye is stated the commander of all Espionage missions for SHIELD and second in command to Fury himself. Hawkeye sates he can find the weak spot of just about anything, and always think of something to accomplish the impossible in suicide missions. He is hell of a soldier next to Fury and Cap. Leading the Ultimate Shadow Team, Avengers, and X-Men

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Hawkeye is stated to veteran in espionage, according to Fury SHIELDs best and that is saying something. Stated to be a formidable physical combatant, an expert archer, as well expert in conventional firearms. He is rated a 6 on the grid for reference which mean master of more than 7 martial art forms.

Durability that matches anything by Chris or Leon

Hawkeye eats dozens of blows to the face from a Mach 10 speedster, Hurricane. Hawkeye is never once knock out when Quicksilver took Hurricane out.

Hawkeye survives a devastating blow that decimates the area around him. He immediately recovers from this to get back in the fight.

Hawkeye and his men are blasted by Ghost Rider with Hell Fire. All the SHIELD agents die, but Hawkeye who continues to do what he can.

Conclusions

These are just SOME of the feats Hawkeye has going for him, and they blow way Chris or Leons to be honest.

False.

RE Village has monsters that can withstand an orbital satellite laser. This is either large building level, or nuke level if we scale it from the Railgun.

Hulk laughs at megaton nukes. Warmachine tanks megaton nukes as well.

Hulk is blown away by a stated Megaton Nuke.

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Hulk again jumps in the path of a Megaton Nuke, and clearly is never knocked out as he escapes faster than SHIELD with satellites could track him.

Older Armor inferior to Warmachines used by Black Widow is durable enough to slam Thor so hard to wipe out a portion of a forest from the impact.

This is Tyrone Cash who uses the original Hulk Serum formula, without the negative Side Effects. Tyrone is stated a second rate Hulk by Fury, which makes sense since Cash is using the weaker original Serum, not the Serum mixed with Caps blood that Banner uses. In this he is causing earthquakes felt thousand miles away. Warmachine armor was still functional after multiple hits.

Super Suit Thor shatters city blocks with a single hammer stroke.

Hulk shrugging off Super Suit Thor's best attacks again, attacks that take out portion of the city in one charge up attack. Then Same attacks Cap block and survived!

So let me know when any BOW in RE games matches.

Nowadays, even base Tyrants have large building level durability. Mutated Tyrants have city level durability since Nemesis requires multiple hits from the Railgun, which is stated to be equal to the bomb which obliterated Raccoon City.

Key point, that Rail Gun damage the BOW heavily, and Rail Guns are not only not standard, but if they miss are worthless after the fact, not to mention worthless in a fight like this anyway. No reason to bring them up.

Would regular Hulk solo RE6 or RE Village? Possibly.

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Would the nerd Hulk who Cap oneshotted do it? Nerd Hulk has the mind of the cowardly Bruce Banner. Ultimate Bruce Banner is literally a cuckhold. Cap himself said they "took away his edge" by giving him the mind of Banner. Nerd Hulk wasn't even tough enough to withstand a nut tap.

So would Nerd Hulk solo Resident Evil? Absolutely not. It is stated that normal people will straight up just kill themselves in a Biohazard situation. The fear and the insanity is that extreme. Cuck Bruce Banner will either super jump to the next continent from fear, or go insane and find a way to kill himself.

Nerd Hulk is weak eh?

He can leap a few miles at a time.

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Lift and slam 100 ton boulders.

Throw 30 ton fire trucks 100s of yards.

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Tank bullets and heavy weapons with no damage to the skin, as well punch from sewer to surface with ease.

Even tank building level Repulsar Blasts and match strength with older IM armor.

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Hulk even temp walk through Red Skull Cosmic Cube for a hot second before beaten. Nerd Hulk would solo 99% pf the RE BOWs. Cap took him out in one blow to the groin.

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@sirfizzwhizz:

Your looking more foolish than usual.

You know how you tagged mods when I said F word in a way that was not insult, in thread that you made? You here are lackign arguments so much that you elected to use insults. I could easily tag mods as well, but honestly that is not on my level, especially since seeing you raging out is quite funny

as any child knows Cap has stated combat skills.Cap stated in bio as mastering numerous fighting forms, and weapons. Stated a tactical and strategic genius. Rated a 6 on the Marvel Grid.

Wait , I am confused, why on earth are you posting scans talking about intelligence and skill , strength an durability feats of Ultimate Cap here, lol ? I did not even mention guy . What I was saying is that Nuke is much less skilled than 616 Cap. and that Leon and Chris beat 616 Cap. Seeing as Nuke is someone, who while having same stats as Cap, got destroyed by him, even when Cap was weakened as you yourself mentioned, because of how much more skilled Cap is

I do not care for Ultimate Cap, and I never even mentioned him, so I am not going to touch any of that, as I have no opinion on him or how strong he is. I was only talking about 616 Cap, as I know how strong he is

Uh duh. Thats the point. You stated Cap had lost as Nuke, a stated street level guy by your nonsense comments, Nuke was superior or some flawed bullshit logic you love to spew like vomit on this site daily. I counter how Nuke was comparable to Cap with the training regime, and abilities, including formula granting super skill and learning, and yet Cap still came out on top.

Again, you are not reading my posts. I was only talking about 616 Cap. I never said that 616 Cap lost, what I said is that Nuke lost, despite having same stats, which tells you that Nuke is much less skilled and that you cannot scale him to Cap skill wise. Simply put, Leon beating Krauser, who had precognition and who was much stronger than 616 Cap, being able to turn superhumans into paste with single hit:

Is Cap level skill showing for him. 616 Nuke has nothing on that level as far as skill goes. which was my point. He is also indeed street tier, so is 616 Cap, hell people even argue is Spidey king of street tier or low mid tier.

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#32  Edited By sirfizzwhizz

@eredin12:

You know how you tagged mods when I said F word in a way that was not insult, in thread that you made?

You cant say the F Bomb at all. I said your looking foolish.

You here are lacking arguments so much that you elected to use insults.

Its not a insult. Its a comment to your arguments and arguments alone. A fact.

I could easily tag mods as well, but honestly that is not on my level, especially since seeing you raging out is quite funny

Im sure you already have and I will defend by saying Im attacking your argument. Which I am. Your arguments look foolish with the double standards and lies. not once I called you directly a fool. Try to keep up.

Wait , I am confused, why on earth are you posting scans talking about intelligence and skill , strength an durability feats of Ultimate Cap here, lol ? I did not even mention guy . What I was saying is that Nuke is much less skilled than 616 Cap. and that Leon and Chris beat 616 Cap. Seeing as Nuke is someone, who while having same stats as Cap, got destroyed by him, even when Cap was weakened as you yourself mentioned, because of how much more skilled Cap is

I do not care for Ultimate Cap, and I never even mentioned him, so I am not going to touch any of that, as I have no opinion on him or how strong he is. I was only talking about 616 Cap, as I know how strong he is

I showed how cap and nuke are nearly same level. As I proven many times. This whole argument started with you trying to say Nuke is some rando street level. When in comic and lore he was nearly Caps equal.

Again, you are not reading my posts. I was only talking about 616 Cap. I never said that 616 Cap lost, what I said is that Nuke lost, despite having same stats, which tells you that Nuke is much less skilled and that you cannot scale him to Cap skill wise. Simply put, Leon beating Krauser, who had precognition and who was much stronger than 616 Cap, being able to turn superhumans into paste with single hit:

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Is Cap level skill showing for him. 616 Nuke has nothing on that level as far as skill goes. which was my point. He is also indeed street tier, so is 616 Cap, hell people even argue is Spidey king of street tier or low mid tier.

1) Nice game mechanics. Now show that in legit cutscene. The very physics dont even make sense to quantify as impossible and clearly limited by graphics. Shitty limited graphics is not the same for actual feats.

2) If you smash a human body against a several foot circumference tree, like Nuke did, with power to shatter said tree to splinter, the normal human body would explode into red mist as well. Facts.

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1) Nice game mechanics. Now show that in legit cutscene. The very physics dont even make sense to quantify as impossible and clearly limited by graphics. Shitty limited graphics is not the same for actual feats.

Not trying to argue otherwise, but how this argument can be used for Resident Evil and not God of War 😂😂. When I said Shitty limited graphics + game mechanics didn't allow GoW to show lore power level in 2005, and since then they follow the rules they presented in first game which is the reason why GOW never reaches cosmic level visually, you said I'm dishonest. Now you're saying the reason Resident Evil characters can bust Wall level zombies' heads like a balloon since RE 4 (Basically in every Action Era game, RE5, RE6, REV, REV2) is game mechanics.

Also, Krauser's move isn't out of physics tbh. He clearly moves supersonic in gameplay (since he was able to dodge bullets like Wesker). Unless you argue him being FTE is also gameplay mechanic and he isn't fast as that, he should be able to explode Ganados like that with a very sharp weapon which can pierce metal casually. That's literally 200 lbs mass + 100 lbs sharp metal blade bullrushing towards you with FTE speed.

OT = beat only MCU

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@heiqn: the difference is God of War has lots of cutscenes as well as cinematic cutscenes as well as QuickTime event scenes which can show off things like that. For example look at the game Asura's Wrath. You really want to show God of War being this epic Cosmic powerhouses fighting then they should have no problem showing it off like Asura's Wrath does with planets exploding flying through space at faster than light speeds Etc.

Also someone like Krauser or Leon for that matter exploding a zombie into Red Mist with a punch is not consistent at all with what we see is Cinematic scenes, stand alone feats, or how they interact with other powerhouses like tyrants.

The technology as well as animation CGI is absolutely there for God of War to show off its garbage multiversal power but it never does. And unless you've read novels or tweeted the writers or whatever you would never guess from the game alone they were multiversal power. Because they're not which makes sense.

Edit: I should also add that exploding a person to Red Miss like it shows in the game is not possible at all as supersonic speed. It should be large meaty chunks everywhere but we don't see it. If you want to say he can explode at Target that's fine. But that's not what is shown in the Cinematic mechanic there. Or what Eredin is is proposing..

I should clarify I dont have too much issue with the feat of exploding a foe into chunks. But a fin red mist is tottaly different beast for calcs and numbers.

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#35  Edited By Eredin12

@heiqn: They can beat 616 version as well honestly

@sirfizzwhizz:

Im sure you already have and I will defend by saying Im attacking your argument. Which I am. Your arguments look foolish with the double standards and lies. not once I called you directly a fool. Try to keep up.

You did not say my arguments look foolish though, but me. When I say your arguments are stupid, I mean your arguments. Double standards and lies are your middle name Fizz, so you are again projecting here

I showed how cap and nuke are nearly same level. As I proven many times. This whole argument started with you trying to say Nuke is some rando street level. When in comic and lore he was nearly Caps equal.

I did not say " he was some random street tier"I said he is street tier, which he is, without any doubt, and so is 616 Cap, their best consistent feats are wall level stuff

1) Nice game mechanics. Now show that in legit cutscene. The very physics dont even make sense to quantify as impossible and clearly limited by graphics. Shitty limited graphics is not the same for actual feats.

2) If you smash a human body against a several foot circumference tree, like Nuke did, with power to shatter said tree to splinter, the normal human body would explode into red mist as well. Facts.

This is animation , one that does not depend on skills of player. One that you yourself used in your RT, if you forgot. As far as physics goes, there is nothing impossible in turning someone to paste with force of your impact and trying to dismiss feats from older games because graphics is not as good as now even though we can clearly see what is going on, is shitty even for you

These are not normal humans, but confirmed superhumans that have endured wall level stuff before

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@sirfizzwhizz said:

@heiqn: the difference is God of War has lots of cutscenes as well as cinematic cutscenes as well as QuickTime event scenes which can show off things like that. For example look at the game Asura's Wrath. You really want to show God of War being this epic Cosmic powerhouses fighting then they should have no problem showing it off like Asura's Wrath does with planets exploding flying through space at faster than light speeds Etc.

Also someone like Krauser or Leon for that matter exploding a zombie into Red Mist with a punch is not consistent at all with what we see is Cinematic scenes, stand alone feats, or how they interact with other powerhouses like tyrants.

The technology as well as animation CGI is absolutely there for God of War to show off its garbage multiversal power but it never does. And unless you've read novels or tweeted the writers or whatever you would never guess from the game alone they were multiversal power. Because they're not which makes sense.

Edit: I should also add that exploding a person to Red Miss like it shows in the game is not possible at all as supersonic speed. It should be large meaty chunks everywhere but we don't see it. If you want to say he can explode at Target that's fine. But that's not what is shown in the Cinematic mechanic there. Or what Eredin is is proposing..

I should clarify I dont have too much issue with the feat of exploding a foe into chunks. But a fin red mist is tottaly different beast for calcs and numbers.

Most of the cutscenes are done with same game engine, only CGI ones aren't. GoW had very limited technology in 2005. it's stated even Cronos boss fight was hard to model. Also what's the point of adding cosmic level cutscenes when what you do in game is walking around in Athens and killing minatours %99 of the time?

Leon is overpowered. Both He and Chris moved 50-60 ton boulders with pure strength. That's enough to smash someone's skull. CGI movies and game cutscenes don't focus on his strength, but they focus on his durability. He consistently tanked deadly blows from Tyrants in all 3 CGI movies. in Resident Evil verse, there are statements about characters getting temporary amps due to adrenaline on par with virus amps when they feel very pressured.

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@heiqn: They can beat 616 version as well honestly

Disagreed. No need to disregard Cap's durability feats because they rely on scaling. I don't expect consistency from a 80 years old character and Cap has absurd high ends. Also in Resident Evil nobody is really skilled except main MC which makes them hard to quantify. I don't remember anything from monsters except Patrick's Scans that says Tyrants are extremely skilled H2H combatants. Regardless, I'd say it's a good fight.

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@heiqn: the boulder feat is really overrated because of the mechanics of it that people don't take into account. The boulder was very rounded it wasn't like a square or cone with a flat side being dragged or forced around Etc. So that right there changes couch that most people don't count for when considering that Boulders weight.

Is it super human? Sure. But no more than what we seen Punisher or Batamn done. Chris and Leon are all intents and purpose human. They have no super powers. Just peak humans. Which hurts high end argumens alot. The tyrant blows cannot be that strong when they hit Leon or Chris since both humans with no stated powers survive. Captain America been smack around by Thanos and Hulk without dying and no way we say thats his durability level.

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@heiqn:

Disagreed. No need to disregard Cap's durability feats because they rely on scaling. I don't expect consistency from a 80 years old character and Cap has absurd high ends. Also in Resident Evil nobody is really skilled except main MC which makes them hard to quantify. I don't remember anything from monsters except Patrick's Scans that says Tyrants are extremely skilled H2H combatants. Regardless, I'd say it's a good fight.

I am not for throwing away his durability, but we clearly cannot use out of context scans of him tanking hits from -moon busters and what not, because no actual writer thinks that Cap is nearly that durable. As four skills, main characters are skilled, as is Krauser, he is also lot stronger than Cap, and he happens to have a precog too , and yet Leon still defeated him.

So i am not seeing how you can back 616 Cap unless you go full outlier or something. By consistent and quantifiable feats, Leon is stronger and faster than him. I do not know much about Ultimate Cap, so no comment on that

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@sirfizzwhizz said:

@heiqn: the boulder feat is really overrated because of the mechanics of it that people don't take into account. The boulder was very rounded it wasn't like a square or cone with a flat side being dragged or forced around Etc. So that right there changes couch that most people don't count for when considering that Boulders weight.

Is it super human? Sure. But no more than what we seen Punisher or Batamn done. Chris and Leon are all intents and purpose human. They have no super powers. Just peak humans. Which hurts high end argumens alot. The tyrant blows cannot be that strong when they hit Leon or Chris since both humans with no stated powers survive. Captain America been smack around by Thanos and Hulk without dying and no way we say thats his durability level.

Not talking about Chris' feat, talking about Leon's rock feat. He pushed a 30 ton rock with help of Helena in RE6. Jake beat a tyrant in H2H. Weaker T-003 destroyed a wall while walking, Even in modernized remakes, Jill dodges and tanks RPGs .it's death of author, because a peak human, no matter how tough he is, at the very best would get paralyzed from these. intent isn't always trustable when MCU directors are very sure MCU Scarlet Witch can destroy the multiverse yet we don't put her above Omega Spawn because intent isn't above feats.

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@heiqn:

I am not for throwing away his durability, but we clearly cannot use out of context scans of him tanking hits from -moon busters and what not, because no actual writer thinks that Cap is nearly that durable. As four skills, main characters are skilled, as is Krauser, he is also lot stronger than Cap, and he happens to have a precog too , and yet Leon still defeated him.

So i am not seeing how you can back 616 Cap unless you go full outlier or something. By consistent and quantifiable feats, Leon is stronger and faster than him. I do not know much about Ultimate Cap, so no comment on that

He isn't moon level, but he tanked hits from 100 tonners which you considered as outlier in post #27 , which doesn't make sense Not gonna debate skill but only sources we have about skills are statements which Cap has comparable ones if not better.

Not sure how you define consistency for a 80 years old character. Cap has fought almost everyone and their mothers in the verse. Checking his RT CA is solidly Chris Redfield tier consistently with better gear. Chris having 2 RPG level feats (RE 5 and RE6) from his 10 feats is equal to Cap having 10 Spider-Man tier feats from his 1000 feats in the grand shceme of things because one has 10 thousand feats on his side from different writers.

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#40  Edited By Eredin12

@heiqn: If by 100 tonners, we mean " can lift and hit with 100 tons of force " then Leon and Chris did same:

In the gif above , Leon gets sent flying 70 meters away and gets up instantly as if nothing happened. Keep in mind that same monster destroyed a thick steel column that that was supporting a huge structure with a similar backhand:

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Which is also quite easily 100+ ton feat. Here is him again tanking such blows with no damage, from guy who was making large craters in concrete with each punch:

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What I was talking about as being outliers, is him tanking blows form high tiers, like Namor, Hulk and so fort, who are moon level. Where context is either plain PIS or they just held back that much, like how MCU Cap survived punch from MCU Thanos.

Not sure how you define consistency for a 80 years old character. Cap has fought almost everyone and their mothers in the verse. Checking his RT CA is solidly Chris Redfield tier consistently with better gear.

Sure he did, but most of the time, he is not Hulk level fighting character, but guy who fights other street tiers, gets hurt by bombs and so fort. I am aware of his feats, but I am not sure which of those do you think is as good as Chris hurting Wesker, who is eats missiles exploding in his face, or him exploding heads of zombies, who themselves can tank massive explosions and destroy walls.

That is why I think that Leon or Chris would beat him, though in good fight, as I think they have stats edge over him that is bigger than any skill edge he might have.

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@heiqn:

What I was talking about as being outliers, is him tanking blows form high tiers, like Namor, Hulk and so fort, who are moon level. Where context is either plain PIS or they just held back that much, like how MCU Cap survived punch from MCU Thanos.

Sure he did, but most of the time, he is not Hulk level fighting character, but guy who fights other street tiers, gets hurt by bombs and so fort. I am aware of his feats, but I am not sure which of those do you think is as good as Chris hurting Wesker, who is eats missiles exploding in his face, or him exploding heads of zombies, who themselves can tank massive explosions and destroy walls.

it seemed like you are saying SFWs 100 tonner arguments are outliers in post 27, if not it's okay to me👍👍

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And Cap has tank 100+ toner blows as well things that flat out LOL at RPG fire firepower and not be put down. Yet Nuke gave Cap hell. Your point?

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My point is that anyone and their mother has tanked blows from high tiers when they hold back enough. There is also few such PIS stuff here and there sure, but I am talking about actual quantifiable stuff, like Chris being hit by point blank anti tank RPG, and instantly getting up as if nothing happened:

Most of the metal destroying feats are above wall level which is equal to killing Ganados. E.G he completely busted Helicopter's tail. He tanked multi wall busting level which is equal to concrete busting from Ariego. He tanked an explosion from epicenter which should be equal to Chris' RE6 RPG feat. Speed wise he's consistently low-mid supersonic and he too states he can dodge bullets, He has bunch of high-end like dodging lightnings and RPGs and explosions which should be equal to Wesker scaling of Chris-Leon. Etcetera... You can find equal feats from RT.

Questioning its consistency is up to you 🤷‍♂️

I mean if we apply same logic to RE characters, some of the feats posted here would fall into Outlier territory, since all of them aren't on the exact same level either, only difference is number of feats and gap between feats.

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#42  Edited By Eredin12

@heiqn: Well Fizz seems to have been talking about Ultimate Cap, of whom I know nothing about, so I cannot comment on that. What I thought that he meant was that 616 Cap can tank blows from non holding back Hulk, Namor and so fort, which is what I think would be clear outlier

Most of the metal destroying feats are above wall level which is equal to killing Ganados. E.G he completely busted Helicopter's tail. He tanked multi wall busting level which is equal to concrete busting from Ariego. He tanked an explosion from epicenter which should be equal to Chris' RE6 RPG feat. Speed wise he's consistently low-mid supersonic and he states he can dodge bullets, also he has bunch of high-end like dodging lightnings and RPGs and explosions which should be equal to Wesker scaling of Chris and Leon. Etcetera... You can find equal feats from his RT.Questioning its consistency is up to you 🤷‍♂️

I mean if we apply to same logic to RE characters, some of the feats posted here would fall into Outlier territory, since they aren't on the same level either, only difference is number of feats.

While metal is stronger than concrete, destroying an entire wall of concrete, would be well above punching through steel for example. We also must note that Cap did that that with his shield, which like Logan claws, are very sharp and can cut above his pay grade. Even then, RPG would be able to do same, it is an anti tank weapon that is made to destroy Tanks, which are much more heavily armored then helicopters. And Wesker can take that without any blood, while Chris can actually draw blood from him with his punches and even knock him out for a moments. Speed wise, while Cap can dodge bullets , Chris was able to outpace enemies who can do that at point blank range and in new game, seems to be able to cut bullets from machine gun in half with his knife as well.

I do think this is good fight, but I would say that stats wise, Leon and Chris are just bit better and while Cap just has shield, they have guns, knife, bombs etc. I would say that their gear is also bit better

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@heiqn: Well Fizz seems to have been talking about Ultimate Cap, of whom I know nothing about, so I cannot comment on that. What I thought that he meant was that 616 Cap can tank blows from non holding back Hulk, Namor and so fort, which is what I think would be clear outlier

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While metal is stronger than concrete, destroying an entire wall of concrete, would be well above punching through steel for example.

That was for his AP, dura-wise he tanked multi wall busting attacks

We also must note that Cap did that that with his shield, which like Logan claws, are very sharp and can cut above his pay grade.

Cap has his shield here tho, ,He will transfer the same force with his shield in H2H.

Even then, RPG would be able to do same, it is an anti tank weapon that is made to destroy Tanks, which are much more heavily armored then helicopters. And Wesker can take that without any blood while Chris can actually draw blood from him with his punches and even knock him out for a moments.

1-) I wouldn't say Wesker is tank level, since energy tank takes from the shockwave is far more than what Wesker takes due to area difference. But even then, Nuke also tanked an RPG. Same RPG has feats on par with RE 5 RPG. Captain America himself tanked similar explosion.

2-) We don't see Wesker in explosion, so maybe he bleeds from RPG as well just like from Chris' punch but there is no visible blood afterwards, thinking logically, maybe his blood gets vaporized because of insane heat (it reaches 100C). And again, thinking technically, in-game models aren't realistic. His glasses survives from the same RPG explosion literally, unless you argue his glasses are vibranium of course.

3-) Also taking other feats into account he also gets bleed by bullets in both cutscenes and in-game whereas Nuke is completely bulletproof. I know Piercing and Blunt force resistance is different but in this level someone who can tank tank level force shouldn't bleed by bullets.

Speed wise, while Cap can dodge bullets , Chris was able to outpace enemies who can do that at point blank range and in new game, seems to be able to cut bullets from machine gun in half with his knife as well.

Again that's with scaling, feat-wise both characters are low-mid supersonic and Cap beat bullet-timers too. For example Nuke. For example both Chris-Leon and Cap reacted missiles. Scaling wise Wesker scaling is little bit faster and you have to nitpick for Cap, but then again, are they really as fast as Wesker?

I do think this is good fight, but I would say that stats wise, Leon and Chris are just bit better and while Cap just has shield, they have guns, knife, bombs etc. I would say that their gear is also bit better

A good fight indeed. But I don't see how their gear is better. Like we are talking about Cap's shield. it has feats like completely slicing a piece from a tank Guns and knives are pretty much fodder. Bombs might be effective, depends on situation. Of course if you don't include Leon's outerversal plot manipulation RPG, in that case Leon should solo

I'd say RE team can win. 616 characters have too many portrayals on different levels. That's why I don't like debating Marvel / DC characters. But I wouldn't say it's a certain win for Resident Evil side.

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#44  Edited By Eredin12

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That was for his AP, dura-wise he tanked multi wall busting attacks

I was talking about AP as well, wall destroying/ tanking is something Zombies do, they have tanked being in epicenter of huge explosion , they can tank being hit by speeding truck and are able to destroy walls, and yet Chris turns their head into paste:

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Cap has his shield here tho, ,He will transfer the same force with his shield in H2H.

While true, I was more so comparing their pure strength here

1-) I wouldn't say Wesker is tank level, since energy tank takes from the shockwave is far more than what Wesker takes due to area difference. But even then, Nuke also tanked an RPG. Same RPG has feats on par with RE 5 RPG. Captain America himself tanked similar explosion.

I feel that is negated by fact that Wesker took it at literal point blank, when it was just some centimeters away from his face, while with Nuke, it exploded some small distance away from him, it was like Chris feat, though to be fair, Nuke was lot more damaged by it than Chris:

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This is what happened to him, he got torn apart quite bit and could not even get up, while Chris instantly got up with no visible damage suffered. I also think it is notable that Chris, even before his rpime, was tanking blows from Wesker that were powerful enough to make visible shockwaves, which is strength few street tiers could replicate

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2-) We don't see Wesker in explosion, so maybe he bleeds from RPG as well just like from Chris' punch but there is no visible blood afterwards, thinking logically, maybe his blood gets vaporized because of insane heat (it reaches 100C). And again, thinking technically, in-game models aren't realistic. His glasses survives from the same RPG explosion literally, unless you argue his glasses are vibranium of course.

3-) Also taking other feats into account he also gets bleed by bullets in both cutscenes and in-game whereas Nuke is completely bulletproof. I know Piercing and Blunt force resistance is different but in this level someone who can tank tank level force shouldn't bleed by bullets.

I think his glasses are like Armstrong glasses that tank everything Raiden is throwing at him lol, just plot device. But with Wesker, not only do we not see blood, but he is not knocked out either, he is just stunned for a moment due ot his weakness to heat, while Chris is able to briefly knock him out

Wonder Woman is above tank level, and she is less bulletproof than him. Same goes for Spidey. Piercing being split like that is quite common

A good fight indeed. But I don't see how their gear is better. Like we are talking about Cap's shield. it has feats like completely slicing a piece from a tank Guns and knives are pretty much fodder. Bombs might be effective, depends on situation. Of course if you don't include Leon's outerversal plot manipulation RPG, in that case Leon should solo

I'd say RE team can win. 616 characters have too many portrayals on different levels. That's why I don't like debating Marvel / DC characters. But I wouldn't say it's a certain win for Resident Evil side.

By better I mean that they have better range, which when you combaine with them Marksmanship, which allowed them to shot anti aircraft missiles out of air at point blank and to tag casual bullet timers like Wesker and Jill, that will be quite problem here. As well as bombs they can throw, or knifePersonally I think they win majority there

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#45  Edited By heiqn

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I was talking about AP as well, wall destroying/ tanking is something Zombies do, they have tanked being in epicenter of huge explosion , they can tank being hit by speeding truck and are able to destroy walls, and yet Chris turns their head into paste:

I was talking about his dura being above his AP, not his AP being around wall. Even w/o scaling first feat I found was multi-wall level.

While true, I was more so comparing their pure strength here

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I feel that is negated by fact that Wesker took it at literal point blank, when it was just some centimeters away from his face, while with Nuke, it exploded some small distance away from him, it was like Chris feat, though to be fair, Nuke was lot more damaged by it than Chris:

I don't think Nuke was "harmed" from the explosion. His outer skin is damaged or gone but his metal structure which is his real body seems fine and scan also focuses on his face and arm which looks good.

With Chris comparison, it's more of an endurance thing tbh. P30 JV also took a similar RPG explosion and she couldn't get up unlike Chris. You said you think they are close.

I also think it is notable that Chris, even before his rpime, was tanking blows from Wesker that were powerful enough to make visible shockwaves, which is strength few street tiers could replicate

Shockwaves are cool, but IIRC you helped me to calc a similar punch to Jill took in past and it was only wall level?? We used 50 kg. Multiply by two for Wesker and it's still on that level.

I think his glasses are like Armstrong glasses that tank everything Raiden is throwing at him lol, just plot device. But with Wesker, not only do we not see blood, but he is not knocked out either, he is just stunned for a moment due ot his weakness to heat, while Chris is able to briefly knock him out

I'm not saying we should disregard every feat because inconsistencies like Glasses, but we are using a very small detail like Wesker getting no visible blood stain after the explosion to scale Chris to RPG level, yet we are also ignoring the details like glasses. This would be a little bit reaching since we are playing with 2008 technology / animation and textures.

If Chris had feats on that level consistently, I'd say it's no problem, but this is the highest scaling for Wesker and Chris. On top of that, like I said, we don't see his face in explosion, since we can't get close to him, so that's also vague. in the end, Uroboros Wesker who is stated to be beyond T-Wesker got completely destroyed by two RPGs with no remaining parts, so 1 RPG shouldn't be no-sell material to him. Uroboros Wesker was laughing at Chris' punches.

By better I mean that they have better range, which when you combaine with them Marksmanship, which allowed them to shot anti aircraft missiles out of air at point blank and to tag casual bullet timers like Wesker and Jill, that will be quite problem here. As well as bombs they can throw, or knifePersonally I think they win majority there

Bucky is weak link with no great feats as Cap, so I'd say duo can win.

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#46  Edited By Eredin12

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I don't think Nuke was "harmed" from the explosion. His outer skin is damaged or gone but his metal structure which is his real body seems fine and scan also focuses on his face and arm which looks good.

With Chris comparison, it's more of an endurance thing tbh. P30 JV also took a similar RPG explosion and she couldn't get up unlike Chris. You said you think they are close.

Well at least we can say that his skin was gone( which is what Cap damaged when he punched him later) and that he was unable to even get up. For me endurance is more of a something where we see an actual damage, but someone powers through. it Like someone being stabbed by sword in stomach but he still goes to kill dozen soldiers. While here, Chris just did not suffer any damage and he instantly got up. With JV, it could be low showing , given her other feats, of literally exploding bulletproof Big Man Majinis with her kicks

Shockwaves are cool, but IIRC you helped me to calc a similar punch to Jill took in past and it was only wall level?? We used 50 kg. Multiply by two for Wesker and it's still on that level.

I think that was about force needed to send woman of that mass, hence 50 kg, flying dozen meters like that , which is indeed wall level, not force you need to make actual visible shockwave, which should be much more

I'm not saying we should disregard every feat because inconsistencies like Glasses, but we are using a very small detail like Wesker getting no visible blood stain after the explosion to scale Chris to RPG level, yet we are also ignoring the details like glasses. This would be a little bit reaching since we are playing with 2008 technology / animation and textures.If Chris had feats on that level consistently, I'd say it's no problem, but this is the highest scaling for Wesker and Chris. On top of that, like I said, we don't see his face in explosion, since we can't get close to him, so that's also vague. in the end, Uroboros Wesker who is stated to be beyond T-Wesker got completely destroyed by two RPGs with no remaining parts, so 1 RPG shouldn't be no-sell material to him. Uroboros Wesker was laughing at Chris' punches.

But even that 2008 technology, shows blood in some scenes, like when Chris punches him. Even if we ignore that, Chris even knocked Wesker out, for a bit, which missiles that can destroy Tanks did not do, they just stunned him for moment due to his heat weakness, but he was not knocked out or anything Uroboros Wesker was in lava , which is his weakness. It weakens his virus powers, that is why he got destroyed by it.

I agree that Bucky is weak link, but my point was that two of them can beat Cap as well, though in good fight, for majority, due to better stats and not being much less skilled than him.

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#47  Edited By heiqn

Somehow this didn't trigger my noti icon I noticed this when checking my all past notis this morning lol

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Well at least we can say that his skin was gone( which is what Cap damaged when he punched him later) and that he was unable to even get up. For me endurance is more of a something where we see an actual damage, but someone powers through. it Like someone being stabbed by sword in stomach but he still goes to kill dozen soldiers. While here, Chris just did not suffer any damage and he instantly got up. With JV, it could be low showing , given her other feats, of literally exploding bulletproof Big Man Majinis with her kicks

My point is If character doesn't get any visible damage (and apparently no permanent as well cuz he stood up later) then him dragging could be an endurance thing. Considering when two regular humans punch each other reason they eventually stop fighting is they usually can't handle the pain which is also endurance, not durability.

Don't remember Nuke vs Cap, but are you saying Cap didn't damage Nuke?? If so that changes everything. The feats I read was saying Cap KOd nuke.

I think that was about force needed to send woman of that mass, hence 50 kg, flying dozen meters like that , which is indeed wall level, not force you need to make actual visible shockwave, which should be much more

IIRC it wasn't about ragdolling. I asked when X character punches someone and creates a mach cone with that punch, how much energy he transfers. We know the mass. You told me the trick of how mass of arm is %5 of of the total weight of body and I took the speed Mach 1 aka speed of sound for baseline energy. Sure Wesker hits probably faster than Mach 1, but at its worst it's closer to bottom wall level.

But even that 2008 technology, shows blood in some scenes, like when Chris punches him

Difference is one is close combat QTE and distance is very close so effects are required, in RPG we can't even see his face from explosion. E.G, something you remember, in another QTE, Wesker starts crushing Chris' shoulder and no-sells his punches to stomach, then Chris slaps Wesker and broke his glasses

Now, I'm asking. Can we scale Chris to RPG -because RPG failed to broke his glasses but Chris did ? If you think we can't without any additional proof and consistent feats, then I'm saying the same thing because both blood effect and glasses are irrelevant details limited by 2008 technology and textures

. Even if we ignore that, Chris even knocked Wesker out, for a bit, which missiles that can destroy Tanks did not do, they just stunned him for moment due to his heat weakness, but he was not knocked out or anything

Chris didn't KO Wesker with one punch, he kept punching him repeatedly. All his other 4 single punch QTEs only dazes Wesker for a second, which is less than RPG. Sometimes 5 or more Wall+ level punches from Spider-Man to face can hurt more than fraction of Iron Man's building level explosion.

Uroboros Wesker was in lava , which is his weakness. It weakens his virus powers, that is why he got destroyed by it.

Fair point on that.

I agree that Bucky is weak link, but my point was that two of them can beat Cap as well, though in good fight, for majority, due to better stats and not being much less skilled than him.

I would put Cap with shield on par with duo, and Bucky below all 3, but there are other factors to be considered as well. Team work is also important. Do Bucky and Cap have better team-work than Chris and Leon? Since Vendetta I' say RE duo work pretty good, but Chris and Bucky are long-term friends.