Legion vs Surtur

Legion VS Surtur

-Win by any means.

Huh...

Surtur was defeated/killed by Heimdall so i'm sure Legion stands a good chance of winning.

So Gladiator>>>Surtur then?

If that's your logic fine then hahaha.

By Legion, do you mean Magneto's son? I only saw him one time when he tried to kill Magneto in I think Jerusalem or Tel-Aviv in the 1960s after the X-Men time-traveled back to then. He couldn't kill Magneto right away, so I don't think he can stand a chance against Surtur. He busted up a galaxy in his fight with Odin, destroyed the core of a galaxy to make his sword and that sword can destroy the universe in one attack.

Well no I'm just going by what you're saying. I feel like this instance of Heimdall beating Surtur is leaving out huge amounts of context along with the ABC logic you're using. I'm curious.

Is this legion with all his powers at his disposal

Legion warped 616 Universe and put in the box, he wins this one solidly.

I never mentioned Gladiator you did (and the terrible abc logic) but Heimdall killed Surtur by displacing him into the space between realms which is why i said Legion could do the same.

Basically, yes.

Surtur has the Twilight Sword, as well.

Legion.

Legion

@hellionvulcan: But your post made a reference on how he was killed by Heimdall and it lacks any sort of information about how that happened. There's a gap in power between them so huge I was curious on when and how Heimdall accomplished this feat? What was the context behind it?

I mean barring the gap in power between Legion and Surtur I'm curious

It happened in S.H.I.E.L.D vol 3 issue 1 and it's canon since Surtur's death carries over to Mighty Thor vol 2 issue 22 since Surtur's daughter now has the twilight sword.

The context around it is Heimdall notices some black crystal on the rainbow bridge he runs up to it, it explodes sending him from Asgard all the way to earth unharmed. He loses his sword and some guy gets it causing the 9 realms to fall on each other but once Heimdall gets his sword back he sends all those that passed back between realms.

Legion wiped out Limbo's Elder Gods. Those guys had the entire hell-council nervous, including Dormammu.

@zetsumoto: what's the context behind that?

One of his personalities is an extremely powerful reality warper. He entered that personality and erased them.

For those wondering:

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@zetsumoto: no the context behind hell Lord's including Dormammu being nervous. I might be recalling it wrong but Legion was left unconscious after his feat against nearly featless elder gods, right?

@lordofallhumans said:

It looked so:

While it's true that the Elder Gods are lacking in on-screen feats, they are the source of Belasco's power and are established as being superior to Magik and Magik herself has shown capable of going toe to toe with Dormy when amped by her own dimension.

@zetsumoto: Per Black Sun those elder gods were run out of Limbo by fooder N'gari that were being mindraped by non Phoenix Jean Grey.

@lord_platinum: That was a long time ago, Legions power waxes and wanes based on his mental stability but his series ended with him becoming fully realized. The Legion we see was only a fragment of himself.

In his solo series he was struggling with his identity, Legion has a complete map of the future and all timelines of the multiverse ended with him destroying existence.

Surtur has no chance in hell, David has the ability to completely re-sculpt reality.

When he was still not fully in control and tried to make a world where he was happy.

His series ended with him deciding not to impose his personal view on reality, he removed his birth from existence and resides either outside reality or within the mindscape of Blindfold. There was only one version of Legion in all of existence which was probably why he was so powerful, someone like Surtur is inconsequential.

That arc was a little hard to follow for me, but I don't remember any mention of the Elder Gods being "run out" by the N'garai. I remember Belasco allying himself with the N'garai but that's about it.

@chiq@lord_platinum Do you know what he's talking about?

So legion may win due to reality warping but could he tank a Galaxy busting attack from the twilight Sword?

@zetsumoto: The N'gari became Belasco's new masters and had taken over Limbo. If the elder gods of Limbo were so powerful or even present that would not have happened.

They aren't really present though. They have to be summoned with a complex ritual.

If could turn himself physically indestructible I guess, or intangible, or redirect it. But this feels like asking if the Flash could tank an attack when he would never need to. He would see the attack long before it happens and could turn the twilight sword into a lollipop.

@zetsumoto: which makes them sound even weaker. So the featless elder gods that people base how powerful Legion is can't be present in their alleged own realm without a complex ritual? Legion's feat is only impressive if you ignore context. The elder gods were featless, being more powerful than Belasco is not a high end feat, since he was soundly defeated by his 15 year old prisoner, while he was Hell Lord of Limbo, the same 15 year old prisoner that has been successful in keeping those same elder gods at bay for years.

@dextersinister1: good point a lollipop isn't much of a weapon unless your a toddler

@lordofallhumans: Greater beings having to abide by certain rules is a common trope in fiction. Some of the most powerful being in Marvel are rarely present. How does that make them any weaker? They are more powerful than Magik, she can't beat them on her own, hence why she had Legion do it.

the same 15 year old prisoner that has been successful in keeping those same elder gods at bay for years.

The same 15 year old prisoner who memorized all of his spells, has a sword that cuts magic (and grants her control over Limbo itself) and has successfully taken on Dormammu, World Eaters, and other immensely powerful entities.

This.

Legion stomps.

@dextersinister1: Thanks for the info.

I guess Moira should also be only another small fragment of himself, right?

The Legion sword of the black legion troops makes Legion far better than Surtur.

Legion

Legion.

Legion.

Twilight ftw

Comic versions any reality warper should be capable of turning him into a potato chip, or bfring him into some abstract mental space.

Show version vs. MCU : David turns him into an ant and steps on him