LB Goku and Jiren Vs. Dio

VS

1. This is Heaven ascended Dio brando
2. Morals on/ team has knowledge on dios habilities
3. Fight takes place in the world of void

Round 2

All gods of destruction + jiren vs novel kars

Assuming that Jiren is on a level further than even Infinite Zamasu. I'm going to Assume Jiren can do this by himself.

Goku as a Super Saiyan God, was already able to shake a infinite Macrocosm.

He later obtains the form into his base form, and also unlocked Super Saiyan Blue. A form hypothetically 10 to possibly 50x stronger than the previous God form.

As a result, Goku also didn't need Kaioken x10 to fight hit for their second round, due to the massive zenkai that took place in the Goku black arc. I should stress that Goku being on another level now, should be a huge threat in his Super Saiyan God form. Yet, Jiren blocked it with a finger... while SUPPRESSED.

Given the multipliers of blue, and x20 kaioken. Goku's RAW ATTACK potency should be multiversal according to Tedmark's and Natalie Wochover's multiversal hypothesis. Which by the way is more than 10,000x universal even low-balled. And as the scan I pose shows, each universe is infinite in the Dragonball series, and 3x bigger than our observable.

And Jiren blinked Goku away...yes...GLARED HIM AWAY...Multi-Universal+ eyes, or even multiversal+ if you high ball.

Now infinite Zamasu could transcend timelines, and was going to warp the future, and present, and every other timeline. Which if we go off Rob Bryanton's string theory, would make him 4D and possibly going on to 5D had he succeeded.

Thus Jiren should be able to handle his own, and I doubt Heavenly Ascended Dio has the hax that could really affect Jiren. Considering Jiren can FLY even when the Daishinkan MADE SPECIFIC RULES THAT DISABLES FLIGHT, yet he broke them...so we can't really spam hax in this argument. I'm a somewhat Jiren fan, but this guy really shot Dragonball up to another level.

Feel free to disagree, but I say Jiren alone can take it with mid-difficulty, or high...depending on the variables.

Until I obtain more info on Dio, this will be my humble conclusion.

Jiren & UI Goku universal is level.

Feats of Dio.

Jiren himself is broken as strong as he already is.

@galactic_1000:

Basically he can freeze time for as long as he wants, has FTL attack speed and whatever his Stand punches he can reality warp it

@erzaarcher: Send me a link of Dio's feats.

Won't work on these guys both of them can resist it and are MFTL.

@erzaarcher: How powerful is His Time stop?

@galactic_1000: @thedeathstar:

Basically he can indefinitely stop time not sure how that would play out but its not his time stop that makes him OP, its his reality overwrite.

It all boils down to if his time stop can work on them, if not they win (if they dont get hit)

@erzaarcher: Reality Manipulation on What scale?

Heaven ascended Dio as in, Eyes over Heaven Dio who stomped GER and Giorno?

Spite and lock it down ZA WARUDO!!!!

Dio Stomps their ass so hard this isn't even a fight it's a massacre.

They both have time stopping resistance and stats wise are leagues ahead of Dio. Both can solo, together they stomp.

Edit. Nwm this is that broken game version

@sainguinexshadow: Feats of dio His time stop & reality manipulation on what scale.

@galactic_1000: Eyes over Heaven Dio has hax out the ass and his stand now erases what it punches and his Za WARUDO effects everything and indefinitely stops time, this is yet another person Jiren has no chance in hell against.

GER and Giorno can stomp Jiren Eyes over Heaven Dio>>>>GER and Giorno.

@sainguinexshadow: Has he done anything on universal level?

@galactic_1000: Just look up Eyes over Heaven Dio, Giorno can already turn everything to 0 and effectively make it to were your defense attack and everything is absolute shit and put your ass in a infinite death loop with Golden experience Requiem and he effects shit on a universal scale, Eyes over Heaven Dio smacked him he is that broken.

@sainguinexshadow: Then Dio Stomps

@galactic_1000: have his respect thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/5l0ie7/respect_heaven_ascension_dio_jojos_bizarre/

@jashro44 this is Spite Jiren and Goku get massacred they can't hang with this Dio.

If Dio gets a punch in, he would blink stomp.

So Dio beats jiren (jiren likes to take punches) but will probably lose to UI goku

Yeah DIO stomps.

DIO Heaven Ascended can manipulate reality.
He can turn both Goku & Jiren into thin air if he felt like it.

Plus DIO can stop time for as long as he wants.
And punch Goku & Jiren once and they cease to exist.

Before or after they get a hit in with massively superior speed? Jiren dies because he likes to tank stuff but UI Goku won't stand for it.

@logiclancer: Does no one know the meaning of reality manipulating or what?

DIO can change reality so that Goku or Jiren never attacked DIO in the first place and so he would never get injured in the first place.

@gnawd: Multiversal+ durability feats so that he doesn't get immediately killed before he can manipulate reality?

@gnawd: Doesn't Dio need to punch the target in order for his ability to work? Like was already mentioned Dio is not tagging Goku with it if that's the case.

Either one slaughters. Dio’s slower then either and a pitifully fragile glass cannon no tougher than before. Reality warping doesn’t mean shit when you don’t got the stats to avoid getting brained by the opponent’s punch

@gaoron:

If he wants to use reality manipulation on himself then no.

In the game where he got injured by Star Platinum, he only used his hand to touch his wound and it returned to normal.

If he wants to use it on other people then yes, it's through his fist.

But Goku can't see The World Over Heaven so he will not know that The World Over Heaven has touched him and the range of that Stand is 1 to 2 metres.

@logiclancer:

He's multiversal plus and above infinite, since he has infinite speed and infinite time stop.

Bend anything and everything however he wants.

There's literally no limits to what he can bend and not bend except for his own powers.

He can't make it so that he has an infinite range rather than a 1 to 2 metres.

@gnawd: Proof for infinite speed? What if he gets tagged before he reacts and die? There's literally no durability feats for him to tank one of their punches.

@logiclancer:

Pucci in part 6 had Made in Heaven of JOJO's and it had infinite speed also he could accelerate time rather than stopping time and Pucci can literally reset the entire universe.

@gnawd: Stands are life energy so even if Goku can't see them he can still sense them and considering by the time of DBZ characters relied more on ki sense than their eyes Goku would have no problem dodging the stand.

@logiclancer:

Like I said Dio doesn't need to use his fist to change reality if he's using it on himself.

And he can stop time itself.

Which puts literally whatever Hit has to shame. Whether it's Time Skip or Time Cage.

He can literally best whatever time manipulation Hit has.

@gnawd: Hell, Goku doesn't even need sensing. He's skilled enough to determine movements based on air currents alone.

@gnawd: That has nothing to do with my request of Durability and reaction speed.

@gaoron:

Stands are not physical things that you can grab.

In fact a Stand is physiological manifestation of ones fighting spirit.

So therefore Goku can't grab it and even if he knows The World Over Heaven's movement DIO can stop time and all DIO needs is one touch to the fist to kill Goku.

There's really no proof to indicate that Goku can move in stopped time.

@logiclancer:

Let's assume you're right.

But what does Goku have to override the reality manipulation?

Reality is absolute.

Nothing can overcome reality itself.

Not even time and space or the universe.

DIO has no limits to what he can do.

He can teleport to other dimensions, universes.

No matter fatal the attack is.

He can't be killed because he can instantly just revive himself.

No matter how fatal.

He has vampiric plus reality manipulation.

He can fix his wounds whichever state he's in.

> DIO can heal from anything and can’t die

> Couldn’t heal his physical hands after they got destroyed

KEK

LB goku ?

From what I understand Dio’s Powers are infinite timestop and if you get punched you are reality warped?

Jiren already no-sold a time stop in the show through sheer power, and that wasn’t even at his full strength, let alone limit breaker. MUI Goku should also be massively superior to that Jiren.

As for Dio tagging either one of them without Timestop.....yeah that’s not happening. From what I know Dio’s best speed feat is in the FTL range, while a weaker version of Goku blitzed Dyspo, who is bare minimum 2000 times FTL. Aside from the massive speed gap, MUI Goku’s auto dodge + massively superior fighting skill make the thought of DIO tagging him laughable

Dio lolstomps.

@omnipaper6: limit break goku. Another way to say UI "Ultra Instinct".

UI goku literally dance around him dodging every attack. Goku than hakai him out of existent.

I am going with UI Goku.

@lordragoon: @yury_beta: @logiclancer: @chaosknight75@gaoron@laskt

OK, I am gonna stop everyone right here.

Reality manipulation is absolute, everything from time, space, dimension and the entire existence cannot defy reality itself.

No matter powerful Goku UI/MUI is he cannot be immune to reality.

DIO Heaven Ascended can warp himself as well, meaning he can make himself immune to Goku's attacks, it's possible because reality manipulation allows him to change laws and the physics itself, since reality manipulation includes time and space, he can bend it so that he moves instanteously in-front/behind Goku without him realising.

He can destroy multiverse/create it as he pleases.

He has no limit whatsoever to what he is and is not allowed to manipulate.

He is omnipotent pretty much and surpasses infinity itself and infinity is ineffective since he can negate it easily.

Dio has to be one of the most powerful reality manipulators out there, he canceled out Gold Experience Requiem which can negate (and I mean this literally) ANYTHING, as well as Johnny Joestars Tusk Act 4 attack (AKA infinite rotation), and Dio just casually negated it… which should be literally IMPOSSIBLE as it is infinite and has been show to spread its affect to anything that tries to stop it because of that very reason, proving that not just is Dio the kind of reality manipulator that can literally overwrite the reality of anything (including infinity apparently)

Not just that but he can now stop time for as long as he wants and can regenerate from any damage instantly by “instantly overwriting the damage” on top of his already immortal vampiric regeneration.

These are things that DIO HA (Heaven Ascension) can do:

Creation:

• Ability Creation
• Alternate Universe Creation
• Cosmic Creation
• Empathic Creation
• Imagination Manifestation
• Life Creation
• Reality Creation
• Reality Defense

Destruction:

• Energy Erasure
• Reality Attacks
• Space Depletion
• Time Destruction
• Total Event Collapse

Enhancements:

• Infinite Supply
• Omnifarious
• Reality Condition
• Reality Defiance
• Reactive Adaptation
• Supernatural Condition

Manipulations:

Biological Manipulation:

• Biomass Manipulation
• Death Inducement
• Health Manipulation
• Regenerative Healing Factor

Cosmological Force Manipulation:

• Dimensional Manipulation
• Fundamental Forces Manipulation
• Life-Force Manipulation
• Resurrection
• Physics Manipulation
• Physics Distortion
• Space-Time Manipulation
• Space-Time Distortion
• Elemental Manipulation:
• Cosmic Manipulation
• Cosmic Awareness
• Energy Manipulation
• Matter Manipulation
• Molecular Manipulation
• Omni-Psionics
• Extrasensory Perception
• Mental Manipulation
• Quantum Manipulation
• Telekinetic Force Manipulation
• Telepathic Force Manipulation
• Teleportation Manipulation

Superpower Manipulation:

Power Apex Inducement

• Power Augmentation
• Power Bestowal
• Power Erasure
• Power Evolution
• Power Limitation Inducement
• Power Negation
• Power Reflection
• Power Replication
• Probability Manipulation
• Self-Power Bestowal

Unique Manipulations:

• Absolute Force Manipulation
• Absolute Law Manipulation
• Absolute Psionic Power
• Answer Manipulation
• Being Manipulation
• Beyondness Manipulation
• Bond Manipulation
• Boundary Manipulation
• Causality Manipulation
• Continuity Manipulation
• Distinction Manipulation
• Event Manipulation
• Existence Manipulation
• Fact Manipulation
• Inner Nature Manipulation
• Interbeing Manipulation
• Link Manipulation
• Metaphysics Manipulation
• Meta Matter Manipulation
• Meta Power Manipulation
• Meta Probability Manipulation
• Meta Space-Time Manipulation
• Nothingness Manipulation
• Pataphysics Manipulation
• Trans-Reality Manipulation
• Truth Manipulation
• Universal Manipulation
• World Manipulation

Techniques

• Reality Combat
• Reality Searching

@xernive: @lordragoon: @yury_beta: @logiclancer

I have got more evidence from big Dragon Ball fans:

Heaven Ascension DIO is by no means stronger than Goku in the traditional meaning of the word. However, he is far superior in “hack” abilities. Allow me to explain.

Dragon Ball as a series is mostly focused on raw strength alone. The ability set of 99% of characters are just variations of different laser beams and such. While the stronger characters have a mind-bending amount of power, such that destroying whole solar systems is a walk in the park, and moving at light-speed is like a light jog, it doesn’t change the fact that their abilities are just strength-based, and there’s no special tricks the characters can use to take down someone who’s significantly stronger.

However, the abilities of Stands in JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure are much more reliant on their specific ability than raw power. Battles are won through strategy and relying on countering the enemy’s weakness by utilizing your own individual strengths. And The World Over Heaven has two abilities no other Stand can match: stopping time (for an unspecified amount of time, anywhere between ten seconds and infinity) and overwriting reality through his fists.

While there’s no indication Heaven Ascension DIO’s physical strength is even in the same galaxy as Goku’s, his hack abilities allow him to change he rules of the fight, so to speak.

Tl;dr: Goku is overwhelmingly physically stronger, but Heaven Ascension DIO possesses specific abilities that can theoretically make any difference in physical power irrelevant.

and also

Stronger as in physical? No. More broken if we're talking hax? Yes. Heaven ascension dio is a reality warper and that's basically one of the most op abilities you could have in fiction.

HA DIO solos.