Kylo Ren vs Flash (CW)

In character

Winner by KO, Incapacitation or Death

Random encounter

Standard gear and abilities

Fight takes place at an unpopulated city setting at night

Who'd win? For what reasons?

Kylo ren wins. His power is strong enough to get the edge here.

barry unless he does something stupid. afaik kylo doesn't have any ftl(or anything remotely close) reaction feat.

@nerdchore: The Flash would win. Kylo would not have time to react fast enough before the flash could get his hands on him. Even if kylo tries to use something then the flash is to quick for anything he has.

@batman71: he reacted to poe shooting a blaster at him and froze him and the bolt on place. That was from his back being turned. If kylo is facing him he can freeze him instantly.

Kylo Ren wins,he can react to flash(freezing blaster bolt).

Are you saying that blaster bolts are as fast as Flash?

@ancient_0f_days: it just means he has good reflexes. Flash wont ko him the first hit if he does rush in. Kylo can freeze him at that point. Plus if kylo has his lightsaber out flash will be cautious of a weapon he isnt sure about.

If Oliver and all of the other metahumans that always tag Flash can react to him then Kylo most definitely can and will. Ren wins here 9/10 due to both being in-character.

Flash.

What? So the fact that Atom Smasher or Grodd reacted to Barry somehow means than Kylo would be able to as well? What kind of argument is that?

@nfactor1995: I would say its for plot purposes. Not to mention Barry was still a little noobish with his powers.

I dont see Kylo reacting to Barry's speedblitz or super punch

Kylo in an interesting fight.

Flash does 5 mile run punch and knocks kylo out

Flash's normal running/ fighting speed should be close to a blaster.

Sure he's faster, but we know that he needs some lead up to it.

Probably Ren

Flash jobs and loses, as he always does.

Anyone with the force should be able to win this. Haven't seen the movie yet though.

@nerdchore: So, that doesn't matter. The flash is faster than sound and light. Kylo would not be anywhere near fast enough to react to that.

@batman71: flash never goes for the kill right off the bat. Even if he punches ren he will stop and try to talk it through with no prior knowledge. Ren will have plenty of chances to grab barry.

Iirc they stated in a recent Flesh episode that Barry's top speed so far was just over mach 2.

@rbt: I don't think it's really debatable that Force users like Ren have superior reflexes then most (key word most, not all) other characters, barring obvious ones like speedsters. Have you seen the new Star Wars movie?

Flash wins

They do have enhanced reflexes but that's not what I was asking. I asked, how does Grodd or Atom Smasher reacting to Barry imply that Kylo should be able to as well? Can't Grodd have better reflexes than force users?

Maybe Kylo can react to Barry, but Grodd and Atom reacting to Barry have nothing to do with it.

Have you seen the new Star Wars movie?

Not yet.

Kylo has worse jobbing feats than Barry.

Kylo was shot before he started jobbing, Barry runs in fresh with basic knowledge and still jobs.

If Flash doesn't job, he wins...but Flash does job...a lot. I can see him being Force choked out.

Depends which Barry shows up.

Flash>Rey>KyloRen

Flash in character fights like a total idiot. He's the king of CIS, and Kylo will beat him with little difficulty.

going with kylo

Jedi´s are able to react to stuff because of the Force, but i doubt he could tag flash.

@cloudsolid: Flash > KyloRen > Rey > KyloRen shot in the stomach with a small explosive.

Fixed

@soaringturkeys: Rey>DarthVader>LukeSkywalker.

She did things in a day it took the Grandmaster movies to learn. Question.Do you not need training with lightsabers to be a lightsaber master.Does anyone who embraces the force automatically a badass lightsaber wielder. And Anakin with a leg and an arm cut off would have destroyed Rey. Prequel action>JJ Abrams action. Rant over

Kylo Ren

This!

Also people without super speed have reacted and tagged Barry. One slice from his lightsaber would be enough to cripple barry.

@cloudsolid: I guess you missed the part at the start of the movie of her being able to handle herself. She's not a lightsaber master. Christ you try fighting someone with half your stomach blown up.

@soaringturkeys: Hes a Sith trained by Snoke and Grandmaster luke.I dont care if he lost an arm and an eye heshould stomp.

@cloudsolid: right... cause any time any jedi loses an arm or a hand or gets stabbed they instantly pop themselves back up to win.

Here's a fun game.

I'll list out a moment in star wars when the jedi gets injured once and loses the match and you rebuttal with the opposite, cause by your standards jedi's should be able to keep fighting right? Let's see who wins.

Right I'll start.

How about that time Anakin lost his arm against count dooko? It's just an arm right. He just popped himself right back up despite his injuries.

Or about that time Anakin lost his legs against Obi

Or about that time Luke lost his arm too? I mean he should have had the means to keep fighting right? No?

Shall I go on?

Kylo Ren got shot in the stomach with an explosive. He's probably missing his entire stomach and is running on half a lung. We've literally been shown an example of how destructive that weapon is. And your argument is that because he's a jedi he should be able to not succumb to his injuries??

have you watched any star wars??

Barry. Movie Star Wars characters aren't nearly as fast as tv Flash

It depends. TV Barry sometimes uses his powers like an idiot and gets himself in trouble because of it but in dire situations he has a tendency to pull off some impressive stuff on instinct (i.e dodge lightning, time travel, etc.) so it depends. I don't see Ben Kylo winning tho. the flash's arsenal (speed mirages, supersonic punch, lightning bolts, tornado generation, etc) is too versatile for Kylo Ren to overcome.

Barry.

@soaringturkeys: Dokoo&Vader>Rey&Finn

@cloudsolid: No the rebuttal that you gave me was that you don't care whether or not they lost an arm or an eye.

Anakin lost his hand and he passed out. Anakin lost his legs and nearly died. Luke lost his arm and shat his pants.

You argued that you don't care if they lost an arm or an eye. Well Kylo Ren was critically wounded and he kept fighting.

Don't suddenly jump to a different point because your argument is lousy.

Summed up perfectly.

Beat me to it :L

Kylo could win