Kylo Ren vs Cal Kestis

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Wins by Death or K.O

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Cal due to skill.

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After playing through the entire game it’s pretty clear cal would destroy kylo. Especially after that one boss fight.

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Kylo Ren stomps, all you people on these threads underestimate him so hard its so irritating.

1. Kylo Ren lost to Rey due to 3 good reasons. First, he was heavily injured by the bowcaster. Second, he was in a bad mental state after killing his father. Third and most importantly, he was not fighting to kill Rey and holding back on her to try to turn her to the dark side.

2. Kylo is related to and was trained by Luke making him extremely force sensitive and strong enough to kill all of Luke's students.

3. Cal is a padawan who struggled against the second sister and was rag-dolled and toyed with by Vader. Kylo Ren would easily stomp any of the brothers or sisters since he has stronger force than them. Cal is like a bug to Vader and a mouse to Kylo.

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#7  Edited By KingJedi

Jesus... the disdain for Kylo, Rey and the ST is ruining debates and causing people who I’m sure are very smart to hilariously low ball and underrate them.

Think about it this way.. with all of the narrative hype and constant focus on how powerful Kylo is, and how strong the force runs in his blood and the few force feats we have, can you really imagine a story produced by Lucasfilm whether comic, show, or movie.. where Cal Kestus defeats Kylo Ren? No.

As for feats. Cal’s signature move is a worse/lower level version of Kylo’s freeze. Can you imagine Cal replicating Kylo’s Snoke Kill or the throne room fight? Can you see Cal soloing a Zillo beast? No.

This is the perfect ridiculous combination of Cal being very misplaced in the hierarchy since the game came out, and the constant lowballing of ST characters. Just stop and think about it for a second..

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@kingjedi said:

Jesus... the disdain for Kylo, Rey and the ST is ruining causing people who I’m sure are very smart to hilariously low ball and underrate them.

Think about it this way.. with all of the narrative hype and constant focus on how powerful Kylo is, and how strong the force runs in his blood and the few force feats we have, can you really imagine a story produced by Lucasfilm whether comic, show, or movie.. where Cal Kestus defeats Kylo Ren? No.

As for feats. Cal’s signature move is a worse/lower level version of Kylo’s freeze. Can you imagine Cal replicating Kylo’s Snoke Kill or the throne room fight? Can you see Cal soloing a Zillo beast? No.

This is the perfect ridiculous combination of Cal being very misplaced in the hierarchy since the game came out, and the constant lowballing of ST characters. Just stop and think about it for a second..

This, but when did Kylo solo a Zillo beast?

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@gabe106 said:

Kylo Ren stomps, all you people on these threads underestimate him so hard its so irritating.

1. Kylo Ren lost to Rey due to 3 good reasons. First, he was heavily injured by the bowcaster. Second, he was in a bad mental state after killing his father. Third and most importantly, he was not fighting to kill Rey and holding back on her to try to turn her to the dark side.

2. Kylo is related to and was trained by Luke making him extremely force sensitive and strong enough to kill all of Luke's students.

3. Cal is a padawan who struggled against the second sister and was rag-dolled and toyed with by Vader. Kylo Ren would easily stomp any of the brothers or sisters since he has stronger force than them. Cal is like a bug to Vader and a mouse to Kylo.

@kingjedi said:

Jesus... the disdain for Kylo, Rey and the ST is ruining debates and causing people who I’m sure are very smart to hilariously low ball and underrate them.

Think about it this way.. with all of the narrative hype and constant focus on how powerful Kylo is, and how strong the force runs in his blood and the few force feats we have, can you really imagine a story produced by Lucasfilm whether comic, show, or movie.. where Cal Kestus defeats Kylo Ren? No.

As for feats. Cal’s signature move is a worse/lower level version of Kylo’s freeze. Can you imagine Cal replicating Kylo’s Snoke Kill or the throne room fight? Can you see Cal soloing a Zillo beast? No.

This is the perfect ridiculous combination of Cal being very misplaced in the hierarchy since the game came out, and the constant lowballing of ST characters. Just stop and think about it for a second..

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The salt lol. Kylo has plenty of talk about his potential. But little to show he's obtained the use of it.

Kylo's freeze only works on single targets. Meanwhile Cal can slow a building's worth of objects. They're stronger in different ways.

Kylo killing Snoke was down to cunning and Snoke being an idiot. Not power.

Praetorian guard are no better than Purge troopers and Cal shreds through them. Kylo beat the Zillo by targeting a weak point. Which took no skill in and of itself. He just jumped in it's mouth.

Cal wins.

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Kylo has 0 feats he is all hype. He gets decimated

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Cal wins because out of the both of them cal is the only one we’ve seen actually beat a fellow force user in a lightsaber fight.(talking about trilla,the other inquisitors and malicos)

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Why do people still think Kylo is a SW high tier? He's done literally NOTHING impressive. Even highballed, he is a mid tier at best. He can match some of the jobbing prequel masters. But he doesn't belong in a debate against skilled force users with good feats.

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The salt lol. Kylo has plenty of talk about his potential. But little to show he's obtained the use of it.

Kylo's freeze only works on single targets. Meanwhile Cal can slow a building's worth of objects. They're stronger in different ways.

Kylo killing Snoke was down to cunning and Snoke being an idiot. Not power.

Praetorian guard are no better than Purge troopers and Cal shreds through them. Kylo beat the Zillo by targeting a weak point. Which took no skill in and of itself. He just jumped in it's mouth.

Cal wins.

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Cal wins via better feats.

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Lol, If none of you guys can bring better points than me besides "CAL WINS CUZ FEATS!" then you loose.

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Cal he can actually fight other good force users well.

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LMAO, the thought of Kylo beating Kal is hilarious. What feats does he have to actually suggest he could do that? Kal's force freeze isn't absolute, but in the temple on Zeffo, your can use it to freeze a freaking tornado filled with very large debris, slowing down rocks up to at least a few meters in size and doing it by the dozens. Kylo froze a regular person and blaster bolt. Kylo can't even use force lighting. Not only that, Kal is a better duelist and he has more options between his ability to switch between normal saber, double sided, and duel wielding on the fly mid combo. It would make sense if narratively Kylo's force potential was superior to Kal's, what with being the grandson of the chosen one where as Kal is a Padawan that happened to survive order 66, but Kal amasses a rather impressive set of feats and abilities by the end of the game which put him well above Kylo and Rey by a rather respectable margin.

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Cal.

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Kylo

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Kylo IMO.

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This isn’t a particularly close matchup anymore.

Kylo heavily outclasses Cal in the force by feats and intent. Dueling is a little less clear but Kylo is probably a better duelist at this point too. Even if they’re relatively equal duelists, Kylo’s force advantage gets him the win.

After TROS it’s Kylo 9/10 times. I feel like disdain for the trilogy is causing a heavy bias against sequel trilogy characters. It’s crystal clear that Rey and Kylo are intended to be upper tier force users and Kylo was superior to Rey every time they fought in the film.

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Darth Vader stomps

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It’s how the view of Kylo has changed lol. Kylo beats Cal, but only due to his superiority in the force. Cal gives him trouble and potentially wins a majority in a saber duel.

Also, Kylo didn’t kill all of Luke’s students or destroy the temple. Palp did that.

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I want to start this reply with that The Fallen Order was canon to the Star Wars universe. Anyways on that topic Cal Kestis from the start to finish of the game showed feats far greater than Kylo maybe even Rey! His full potential meant pulling in groups of stormtroopers, freezing groups of storm troopers, taking down two inquisitors, killing bounty hunters (two at a time.) Cal skill set is loaded! He can also mid fight switch from one blade to two blades or two to one blade or a Duel blades warrior! This guy is insane. That skill set would not leave room for young Ben Solo to keep up with. Ultimately, one of the most O.P Jedi ever. Kylo doesn’t stand a chance.

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Kylo has vastly superior force feats.

Blade wise, it depends. Cal has feats like defeating 2 Inquisitors while Kylo was able to demolish the Knights of Ren in seconds once given a lightsaber.

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Lol people using gameplay feats over canon and intent etc, Cal is clearly inquisitor level or slightly above at a push , Kylo is way above him in every category even sabers imo and he absolutely stomps in the force.

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cal have this

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@devoidruby: Kylo might have done that at his full potential, he has been trained for years on years before then. Cal didn’t want to reach out to the force until he necessarily had to. He didn’t have all his maximum force strength when he killed the 9th sister.

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@finalkingthanos: then you can’t say inquisitor level, when he’s proven to be stronger. The guy literally has one of the highest potential due to him almost teaching himself over again of how to use the force. This might not be fair but if it came down to only skill, same level force, just skill with a lightsaber and what force abilities they have, it’s no comparison Cal wins! It’s not really an argument. Kylo was struggling against like 3 Purge Troopers (idk if they were actually called that in the last Jedi) Rey had to save him. Cal was jumped by atleast 4 purge troopers and sooo many clones back to back with a super (annoying) droid on his back. I just don’t see how Kylo would come close

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@sagemode52: are you joking... he was shown to be slightly better than the Second sister* by the final battle but hes consistently a low jedi knight type character at best the whole Vader sequences further smacks this point home.

By intent those Imperial guards are meant to be fairly decent level and the Knights of Ren as said to be perfect for inquisitors if they could be tamed and we saw Ben tear through them like nothing and recently Luke himself toy with them.

You talk about potential when by raw force feats and spoken potential Kylo rivals the skyealker bloodline itself it's even more of a stomp if we use Kylos canon comic feats.

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@sagemode52: are you joking... he was shown to be slightly better than the Second sister* by the final battle but hes consistently a low jedi knight type character at best the whole Vader sequences further smacks this point home.

By intent those Imperial guards are meant to be fairly decent level and the Knights of Ren as said to be perfect for inquisitors if they could be tamed and we saw Ben tear through them like nothing and recently Luke himself toy with them.

You talk about potential when by raw force feats and spoken potential Kylo rivals the Skywalker bloodline itself it's even more of a stomp if we use Kylos canon comic feats.

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Kylo beating the KOR as easy as he did is more impressive than Cal fights with the inquisitors.

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@finalkingthanos: you make a good point, but still Darth Vader was in a different league with Cal because of him not being able to train properly and develop. Kylo Ren would’ve bowed down to Vader also! It’s just a matter of time for Cal to show his skill again but I do agree that Kylo Ren force level is too much for Cal now, just when he improves down the road, I’m pretty sure he’ll become a master before getting cut down by Ben Solo or Vader.

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@sagemode52: Yes I agree Vader would also best Kylo but imo from the feats and the intent of the story the gap between those two is smaller than the gap between them and Cal.

Yep good points on what might happen in the sequels.