Kyle Rayner and H'El vs Silver Surfer and Sentry

@nighthunder: None of those mean Surfer fights FTL

Very good match up... I think team 1 have the advantage but slightly surfer will I've hem hell.

Team 1

@reaverlation: Yes they do.

Surfer doesnt fight at FTL speeds. In fact most of the time he's getting hit by slow characters like Hulk, Thor, Namor, and others.

When has Kyle or Hel fought FTL?

@highaccuser: Norrin has the superior draining, and if Kyle tries that method, (assuming SS hasn't done anything), he will get outdrained, as Norrin has the superior draining; and better method for dealing with it as well.

Lol Norrin can move at hyper-speeds, and can react in a fraction of a Nanosecond, which surpasses any speed feat shown by Kyle.

His Cosmic awareness and sense will allow him to no pretty much everything, and is essentially a living prep.

He does open with it, however he holds back on them, and if again if you read it's morals off, where Norrin won't have that usual mental barrier allowing Kyle a chance.

Also Norrin has taken Hulk easily within the last 10 years as well, not to mention he has his own shields, which are forgotten about, assuming Kyle lives long enough, which could take a hit from a Warrior Madness/Power Gem Thor, who's striking capability would be a notch above even Kyle; and it didn't even leave a scratch on his shield.

I dont know. Why are you asking me?

Just curious is all. I don't think anybody in this fight can fight at FTL speeds. Surfer maybe with high end feats, but not sure.

@nighthunder: lol no they don't.Surfer isn't going FTL when Norrin attacks in the first scan.

In the 2nd scan,it even says:

"Near Light Speed"

And all Surfer is doing is going in a straight line.

What does the 3rd scan prove?

And in the 4th scan,there's no indication of their speed at all.

If Surfer can fight FTL,how come he couldn't grab the Infinity Gauntlet off of Thanos's hand?And don't say Thanos dodged it because it clearly says:

"Surfer missed"

I agree. Nobody here can fight at FTL speeds.

Heck, other than the Flash Family their aren't that many characters in general that can actually FIGHT at FTL speeds.

First and second scan were to prove surfer is cabable at bull rushing enemys at faster than light speeds, the 3rd and 4th were to demonstrate surfer fighting using his super speed.

And i'm not exactly sure what that instance has to do with this? Someone can clearly be moving at any speed to miss, infact surfer was moving a thoughsands of times the speed of light during that instance; him simply missing by an inch isnt an indicator of his combat speed but more or less his bull rushing across a galaxy accuracy

@nighthunder: The 1st 2 didn't prove that at all.The other 2 are just unimpressive

Not the Flash(s) because they can actually can control their movements at FTL speeds,unlike the Surfer

@reaverlation: Surfer very well can control his movements while moving faster than light, hell, he flew around someone at faster than light speeds. To say he can't control his movement is to say he can't control his board, something laughably un-true

@nighthunder: He flew in one way,hence a circle and all he did was talk.When Surfer stopped moving,that's when he attacked.When Surfer goes FTL or time travels of any sort,he flies just straight and straight only

@reaverlation: It's a known fact surfer can fly on his board FTL, this is something he does regularly. In any of his combat when he fights an enemy while flying on his board, it's safe to assume he doesn't slow down.

@nighthunder: Thor can fly FTL regularly too but his combat speed is absolutely pitiful

I'm going Team 2

@reaverlation: Yes but the device thor uses isnt controlling the entirety of his movement. Surfer can move his board at FTL speeds, and has shown the ability to react to things while flying at said speed. While fighting, he doesn't slow down unless he actually gets off his board to brawl or completely stops

@kingant27: @highaccuser:

Norrin has Cosmic awareness etc, so he will be aware of this, and due to morals; he will effectively act upon this.

That's not how cosmic awarness works. It just gives him environmental awarness, not knowledge of weaknesses

That´s exactly how cosmic awareness works, it can tell the enemy´s weakness.

Team One

team 1

The Silver Surfer and the Sentry wins, with Norrin taking on either, while the other holding of one; long enough for Norrin to help out IMO.

Bump

Kyle has blocked shots from Larfleeze. and H'el's TK has held superman, wonder woman and superboy without them being able to break free. I'll take them.