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who wins?

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Kuzan easily

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Kuzan is likely faster and stronger but esdeath can freeze time but im not sure it matters since his whole body is ice and can't really be harmed very much.

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Aokiji solos the verse

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Aokiji solos the verse

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Kuzan

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Kuzan God stomps

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Lol mismatch.

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@wf_mxyzptlk: off topic, but I wouldnt say that he solos the WHOLE verse, but he definitely crushes esdeath

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#11  Edited By linsanel_Doctor

@etoro1 said:

@wf_mxyzptlk: off topic, but I wouldnt say that he solos the WHOLE verse, but he definitely crushes esdeath

There's no one more powerful than Esdeath in that verse...

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Massive mismatch

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@etoro1: I don't think that would work on a logia.. anyway he can easily avoid her attacks with haki... and also by feats he is superior by far

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@linsanel_doctor: true, but alas, a conversation for a different day. Kuzan stomps in this scenario

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Add in every other One Piece character, set them as a composite, take away Esdeath's ice powers, her sword, blind her, give her one arm, and she still pegs every single one of them at the same time.

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Add in every other One Piece character, set them as a composite, take away Esdeath's ice powers, her sword, blind her, give her one arm, and she still pegs every single one of them at the same time.

hobi hobi fruit would outhax her to the moon

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#20  Edited By HydratedFubuki6

Kuzan unless he's stupid enough to wait for Esdeath's time freeze.

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Kuzan, easily.

He's massively faster and she literally can't hurt him.

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@harumi2zoldyck: You mean the same Sugar who reacted to and blitzed several Tontatta's ( who are all around MHS ) at once ?

She would easily be able to tag/hit Esdeath.

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@animebattles12: Esdeath blitzes people who are FTL, The literal fodders in AGK are easily MHS.

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Kuzan solos the verse, idont remember esdeath having anything that can help her against complete intangibility.

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@harumi2zoldyck: Esdeath literally has zero FTL feats.

Esdeaths best speed feat was being faster than Akame, who was basically a lightning timer.

And lol at AGK fodder being MHS.

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@azazelmp4: I don't remember Kuzan being multi-planetary and FTL.

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@harumi2zoldyck: Esdeath literally has zero FTL feats.

Esdeaths best speed feat was being faster than Akame, who was basically a lightning timer.

And lol at AGK fodder being MHS.

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@d1vine_: Sugar isn't landing a hit.

clearly i was answering your hypothetical situation of if one piece was a composite. luffy, robin, and sugars df in one person would be far too much for anybody who isn't bloodlusted and far above in speed to handle.

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Kuzan solo the verse

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@harumi2zoldyck: How do you come to the conclusion that it is FTL ?

Because Shikoutazer shoots an energy beam ?

So, by that logic, every Pre timeskip One Piece character is also FTL because they could dodge Pacifista lasers.

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@animebattles12: The difference is the lasers in Akame Ga Kill actually behave like real light. The lasers in One piece don't.

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#35  Edited By Harumi2Zoldyck
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@harumi2zoldyck said:

@d1vine_: Sugar isn't landing a hit.

clearly i was answering your hypothetical situation of if one piece was a composite. luffy, robin, and sugars df in one person would be far too much for anybody who isn't bloodlusted and far above in speed to handle.

Esdeath blitzes people who are FTL. She scales above people who have shown consistent lightspeed feats and is able to keep up with them on multiple occasions. She is way above the entire One Piece verse in sheer speed.

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#36  Edited By Animebattles12

@harumi2zoldyck: How ? The lasers in One Piece actually come from light, real light.

Kizaru has been confirmed as being made out of actual, real light, and the Pacifista beams were made/originate from his power.

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@animebattles12: They were made from the same material, nothing suggests they have the same speed. Plus, Luffy was literally blitzed by the same Kizaru in gear second.

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@harumi2zoldyck: Light is light tho...

Anyway, that's not my point. You believe AGK lasers to be actually LS, but like you said, being made from the same material, doesn't always mean it's LS.

And yes, Luffy was blitzed by Kizaru, but we are talking about Kuzan, an Admiral, who should be waaay faster, btw weaker characters than Kuzan have reacted to and tagged Kizaru.

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@animebattles12: What characters weaker than Kuzan have tagged Kizaru? (Don't say Rayleigh)

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@harumi2zoldyck: Marco is the most obvious example and old Rayleigh wouldn't be that much stronger than an Admiral, probably around the same level.

Without counting movie feats, these 2 are pretty much the only ones currently.

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I'll have to look.

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#42  Edited By Senate

What is this thread lol? Someone is clearly salty. I guess Franky's radical beam is lightspeed confirmed then because it "behaves like light."

OT: Aokiji solos the verse. Also dodging lasers from a pacifista and getting blitzed by Kizaru are two different things, and doesn't make the laser any slower. A pacifista's beam is an exact replica of Kizaru's created by Vegapunk and Luffy WAS getting blitzed by them pre-timeskip. Saying a one beam is LS and another one that is literally made of light isn't is just headcanon.

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The idea that Aokiji solos the verse because he is LS or that anyone solos AGK because they are LS is utterly laughable.

Esdeath blitzes people who are FTL, she has better durability then most of One Piece, and her hax even without her time stop is nearly unrivaled. Esdeath could easily take all four yonkos at once, even without her ice.

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@harumi2zoldyck: Bring a calc proving that anyone in the Akame verse is above MHS, because all if found was EoS Akame calc'd at Mach 800 ๐Ÿ˜‚. Literally the AGK subreddit itself agrees with Aokiji stomping Esdeath.

Dodging a beam doesn't make one lightspeed, if that were the case, then I could bring a hundred times that's happened in the OP verse. Also you don't decide what acts like light and what doesn't.

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@harumi2zoldyck: Bring a calc proving that anyone in the Akame verse is above MHS, because all if found was EoS Akame calc'd at Mach 800 ๐Ÿ˜‚. Literally the AGK subreddit itself agrees with Aokiji stomping Esdeath.

https://character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Muhammedmco/Akame_ga_Kill!_-_Lightning!

https://fiction-battle-blaze.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Muhammedmco/Akame_ga_Kill-_Esdeath_says_hello_to_laser!

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Here's three.

Dodging a beam doesn't make one lightspeed, if that were the case, then I could bring a hundred times that's happened in the OP verse. Also you don't decide what acts like light and what doesn't.

I don't. I just point out what's true or not.

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@senate: Also:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ZephyrosOmega/Akame_Ga_Kill:_Another_Esdeath_Storm_Feat

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@harumi2zoldyck:

Are you kidding me lol? Were those really the best you could find? They put him at less than 2.5% the speed of light, and you were always saying the laser was LS and that the verse is filled with FTL people?? Two major things wrong with those calcs -frame scaling is absolutely not credible when you're using the LITERAL manga as the source. Another thing is he put the speed of the laser and the speed of the canon the same. Plus there is no way the laser crossed over 200 km that's absolutely ridiculous. This is filled with so many sources of error. How far did you have to dig to find this? Here's a more fleshed out calc I found that puts the laser at MHS:

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Here is a link to it and below is another calc which puts Shikoutazer at Subsonic, and you will see that the calc is really fleshed out. I'd like to remind you that if hypothetically the lasers were LS, that doesn't make the person LS at all, in fact far from it. So yeah...not LS or FTL like you've always claimed the laser to be.

On a separate note, what's the difference between this and a Pacifista's laser when they look virtually the same?

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Even with time freeze esdeath canโ€™t damage aokiji while he can clearly damage her.

She loses by default

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@senate said:

@harumi2zoldyck:

Are you kidding me lol? Were those really the best you could find? They put him at less than 2.5% the speed of light, and you were always saying the laser was LS and that the verse is filled with FTL people?? Two major things wrong with those calcs -frame scaling is absolutely not credible when you're using the LITERAL manga as the source. Another thing is he put the speed of the laser and the speed of the canon the same. Plus there is no way the laser crossed over 200 km that's absolutely ridiculous. This is filled with so many sources of error. How far did you have to dig to find this? Here's a more fleshed out calc I found that puts the laser at MHS:

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Here is a link to it and below is another calc which puts Shikoutazer at Subsonic, and you will see that the calc is really fleshed out. I'd like to remind you that if hypothetically the lasers were LS, that doesn't make the person LS at all, in fact far from it. So yeah...not LS or FTL like you've always claimed the laser to be.

On a separate note, what's the difference between this and a Pacifista's laser when they look virtually the same?

That calc is not only wrong, it is for the AGK anime which is almost completely different than the AGK manga itself.

Also, how is Shikoutazer subsonic when Tatsumi in the first episode performed supersonic feats?

There is nothing wrong with the pacifista's laser. The difference is there are massive walls of evidence that contradict anybody who hasn't at least tagged Kizaru being LS. I'm arguing this because there is nothing contradicting AGK characters being FTL.