Kurapika vs Shirou Emiya

Kurapika

VS

Shirou Emiya ( Composite Fate, Unlimited Blade Works & Heaven's Feel)

In character

Winner by KO, Incapacitation or Death

Random encounter

Shirou will count as a member of the Phantom Troupe for this fight

nen = mana for this battle

Standard gear and abilities

Fight takes place at an unpopulated city setting at night

Who'd win? For what reasons?

Callouts:

Penny for your thoughts on this battle?

Shirou should take it pretty handily.

@just_banter: Who's the blonde?

Shirou

a dude.......just saying

but who though? Like, what's their whole schtick?

@blackestnight93: Bonus points because it's the greatest dub of all time.

@just_banter: yaaaay the 90s

Shirou with Archer's arm should take the majority. He's able to hang with Saber and easily surpass the speed of sound.

@theorder14: Exactly how is Shirou going to counter Kurapika hiding Chain Jail, Steal Chain, or Judgement Chain with In? And Kurapika isn't a slouch in speed either as he blitzed the crap out of Uvogin who caught a bullet with teeth at point blank range casually and he has also caught a barrage of bullets with his chains while in base. Emperor Time Kurapika is substantially more powerful in every single way.

Unless Kurapika did something impressive recently he's getting stomped. Shirou would probably beat Netero and Meruem even.

@highaccuser: How is Shirou going to deal with Kurapika hiding Chain Jail or Steal Chain with In?

I forget what those do but Kurapika isn't on his level of speed. Especially if Archer's arm starts unsealed.

@highaccuser: Chain Jail and Steal Chain basically seals Shirou's access to mana therefore preventing him from using projection or reinforcement to increase his durability.

Saber Alter is also much slower than normal Saber so it's reasonable as to why Shirou was able to out maneuver her. Kurapika isn't a slouch in speed either as he blitzed a legit casual bullet-timer in Uvogin and has bullet timing feats himself.

I don't see Shirou winning this unless he immediately starts off with something like NLBW, Gae Bolg, or UBW.

How fast is Shirou again

Kurapika's way too haxed. If he doesn't finish him off quick, Kurapika wins easily

Tough one. Both are fast, and I'm not sure who's faster. Shirou is capable of blitzing Kurapica, but if the latter tags him with Chain Jail its all over.

Shirou, easily.

He's faster too imo - most of all H/F Shirou.

@ultimate702: Supersonic with his base swords. High hypersonic or faster with his higher tier projections.

Shirou doesn't need mana when he can just physically crush Kurapika with Archer's stats. Even slower Saber would still be far faster than most HxH characters and blitzing a bullet timer isn't a feat worth mentioning. Shirou can still blitz if the arm is unsealed. Even if it's not he just outdraws her. Wouldn't need Gae Bolg, any random projection would do.

@highaccuser: Kurapika before learning nen was already capable of going up to 4 tons. Then you factor in the tremendous physical and aura boost from Scarlet Eyes and his Enhancement with Emperor Time and he'd be the one doing the crushing. Archer isn't even that strong in terms of stats anyway and got ragdolled by Lancer because of that.

And what are Saber Alter's best speed feats? What is Shirou's best speed feat? Enough to warrant a blitz? You also have yet to address Kurapika hiding Chain Jail from Shirou.

4 tons? Shirou could replicate Berserker's strength and even without that Archer kept up with Servants decently well in strength. Lancer ragdolled him via speed.

Alter was only slightly slower than Rider even with her stats dropped from Cybele. Shirou cut Hercules nine times via Nine Lives and projecting his weapon only gave Shirou a strength boost as far as we know. Servants throw a hundred blows a second and Kurapika has nothing on that level. What do you mean hiding Chain Jail? Why can't Shirou just splatter him with a random projection?

@highaccuser: Before learning nen. I'll have you know that with nen, Killua went from being able to lift 16 tons to 64 tons and Uvogin went from taking Kurapika's hits with only superficial damage to coughing up blood with each hit after his nen was sealed. That's not even including the huge boost Scarlet Eyes gives regarding his physical stats.

Archer is only able to keep up with stronger servants because of EoM. He is very crappy stat-wise. Ignoring that, Rin beat the crap out of Caster in close combat and Kotomine was keeping up with Assassin who had a B rank in strength.

No. Shirou projecting NLBW needed him to have the strength and skill of Hercules and he didn't have that on his own. He needed to also project said strength and skill in order to use it. Which also basically shattered his arm, anyway. The hundred blows a second is clearly hyperbole. Zero had passages saying Servants were approaching the speed of light and the VN had described Berserker being capable of levelling a mountain with a single strike. None of which are evident in the anime or VN.

Hiding Chain Jail? You know, rendering them invisible with In? Shirou has no way to counter that unless he learns something similar to Gyo. Once he's chained, it's over. There's literally no way of breaking out of it with his normal human strength. He cannot use projection nor reinforcement while caught in Chain Jail.

@synchronized_123: The fact remains Shirou is leagues faster, if blitzing a casual bullet timer is Kurapika's best feat then Shirou is going to blitz him into the ground without reinforcement or any special projection coupled with Avalon he isn't dying, also has Chain Jail ever restrained someone with Superhuman stats like Shirou?

Shirou can easily Trace NLBW and blitz right off the bat due to Tracing giving you the stats and skill of whomever your tracing.

Not to mention if Shirou really wants he can just sit back and spam projections, Avalon should negate any side effects of Archer's Arm quite well while Shirou can just casually spam a bunch of Nameless Swords (assuming him being Composite negates the negative drawbacks of Archer's Arm).

The only way Kurapika wins is if Shirou let's him get any Hax he wants off.

@synchronized_123:

The hundred blows a second is clearly hyperbole.

Jack the Ripper cut a golem into a hundred pieces in an instant and had A-ranked agility so i believe Servants throwing hundred blows in a second is not hyperbole. She didn't use NP or anything special.

@synchronized_123:

@highaccuser: Before learning nen. I'll have you know that with nen, Killua went from being able to lift 16 tons to 64 tons and Uvogin went from taking Kurapika's hits with only superficial damage to coughing up blood with each hit after his nen was sealed. That's not even including the huge boost Scarlet Eyes gives regarding his physical stats.

Ok.

Archer is only able to keep up with stronger servants because of EoM. He is very crappy stat-wise. Ignoring that, Rin beat the crap out of Caster in close combat and Kotomine was keeping up with Assassin who had a B rank in strength.

Then it's a good thing he has Mind's Eye. Archer isn't top tier stat wise but he's not crappy either unless you buy his status page which has them way too low (they're even below True Assassin who he blatantly outperformed). Caster isn't a physical fighter and there's nothing saying how fast Kirei is. I mean, in Strange/Fake another executioner matched a vampire who straight up reacted to a hypersonic arrow.

No. Shirou projecting NLBW needed him to have the strength and skill of Hercules and he didn't have that on his own. He needed to also project said strength and skill in order to use it. Which also basically shattered his arm, anyway.

All it did was let him reproduce strength and move the way its owner did. Regardless there's no reason he couldn't do that here.

The hundred blows a second is clearly hyperbole. Zero had passages saying Servants were approaching the speed of light and the VN had described Berserker being capable of levelling a mountain with a single strike. None of which are evident in the anime or VN.

This answer isn't consistent...you say a hundred blows a second is a hyperbole and then mention a much better speed feat? And then you say Berserker being described as leveling a mountain with a strike in the VN isn't in the VN? Regardless the anime isn't canon, so if the feats are consistent between the Light Novels and the VN that's what takes priority.

Hiding Chain Jail? You know, rendering them invisible with In? Shirou has no way to counter that unless he learns something similar to Gyo. Once he's chained, it's over. There's literally no way of breaking out of it with his normal human strength. He cannot use projection nor reinforcement while caught in Chain Jail.

I told you I forgot what that does and you still haven't explained. How would Kurapika even tag him with it and why wouldn't Archer's strength be enough to break it? Also you seem to be equating Nen and magic which is false.

@life_without_progress said:

Kurapika

VS

Shirou Emiya ( Composite Fate, Unlimited Blade Works & Heaven's Feel)

In character

Winner by KO, Incapacitation or Death

Random encounter

Shirou will count as a member of the Phantom Troupe for this fight

nen = mana for this battle

Standard gear and abilities

Fight takes place at an unpopulated city setting at night

Who'd win? For what reasons?

Shirou no diffs, Giving him heaven's feels feats is overkill considering he was able to beat alter athuria

Don't really know much about Shirou, but if he doesn't have some kind of extra perception he won't even be able to see the Chain tangling around him.

Once he is caught it is game over.

Even if he does he need to have the speed to avoid the chain EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Cuz even if he knows about Chain Jail, Kurapika can steal his power with Stealth Dolphin if he just hit once.

He also needs to one shot Kurapika, because he can use Heal Chain to regenerate and there is no telling what Kurapika might have in the Dolphin slot.

Heaven's feel shirou killed saber alter.

Kurapika would get blitzed

@bob74h said:

@lucascosta said:

Don't really know much about Shirou, but if he doesn't have some kind of extra perception he won't even be able to see the Chain tangling around him.

Once he is caught it is game over.

Even if he does he need to have the speed to avoid the chain EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Cuz even if he knows about Chain Jail, Kurapika can steal his power with Stealth Dolphin if he just hit once.

He also needs to one shot Kurapika, because he can use Heal Chain to regenerate and there is no telling what Kurapika might have in the Dolphin slot.

Heaven's feel shirou killed saber alter.

Kurapika would get blitzed

Kurapika has no feats on this level, He couldt even dodge a point blank punch from uvogin let alone a servant's sword swings

@bob74h: Actually, this punch was a stealth move, making use of a curtain of dust.

@bob74h: Ok, but can he even see the Chains?

Point blank attack and he couldt dodge it, Fate characters routinely block and or dodge these sort of attacks

@bob74h: It depends on who is attacking.

Uvogin and Kurapika have feats of blocking pointblank firearms.

Firearms are kinda fodder compared to lasers

@bob74h: Maybe.

It doesn't matter if he can't see the Chains at all.