Both are stuck in these forms. Greymon does not have taichi to guide him and kurama does not have naruto to guide him
Anime versions of both characters are used. Greymon using the adventure continuity and kurama using the studio pierrot animations
Setting is file island and both characters are in character, Kurama is rampaging or whatever then greymon tries to stop him
Adults like Yukidarumon,Seadramon and Meramon were shown draining all paddy fields around South-East Asia,create storms that flooded the Middle East and created a blizzard around all North America. This puts Adult Digimon in the Multi Country->Continental range. And it should be noted that they did this just by partially manifesting in the Human World. Being an Adult himself Greymon would have no problem facing and defeating any of them. Digimon also get stronger when they manifest in the Human World compared to the Digital World.Adult Level Digimon can destroy skyscrappers that can withstand large earthquakes in a single blow. Has Kurama ever shown the power to destroy more than a village and repel Bijudama that can destroy mountains?
Kurama
@reaperthegrim: Adult Lvl Digimon are Country to Contimental. Kurama is Mountain Level or Multi-Mountain Lvl at best
@adyx94: show greymon destroying a country then
@reaperthegrim: He scales to Digimon that affect continents and countries just by half manifesting in the human world like Seadramon,Yukidarumon and Meramon. Your logic is big booms>context. Let me remind you that not even Dragon Ball works like that.
@wushu59: He really doesn't. Adults like Greymon should have no problem fighting toe to toe and beating Digimon like Seadramon who flooded the entire Middle East,Meramon who dried all paddy fields around South East Asia and Yukidarumon who created a blizzard around all of North America just by partially manifesting in the human world. His teammates Garurumon and Birdramon beat a Seadramon and Meramon.
@adyx94: Stop evading the question, flooding won't affect anyone in Naruto, they can walk on water. show a feat of Greymon doing anything close to Kurama's level.
The nine tails is a skyscraper sized fox that can toss around kaiju for fun, move faster than sound, and can completely eradicate islands. His energy attacks had a diameter of over twenty kilometers in weaker forms.
Now provide feats Greymon himself that can compare, or lock the thread for spite.
@adyx94: I checked a respect thread, there is no reason to even put War Greymon against Kurama, none of his feats even come close to stacking up to the causal power of the fox.
@reaperthegrim: Metalgreymon is enough to own that fox. Metalgreymon rivals AtlurKabuterimon who blew up Vademon's pocket universe that contains multiple planets and a galaxy,destroyed a Saturn-like planet and killed Vademon who can destroy stars with his gun in a single attack and other Perfects like Gerbemon who has a trash can that acts like a literal black hole,DarkSuperstarmon who uses supernovae and lives in a black hole,Digitamamon who has a pocket universe with stars and planets within himself,Warumonzaemon who has a dimension with dozens of stars in his body So yeah the fox gets owned by Metalgreymon alone.
As for Wargreymon he rivals the Sacred Beasts the Digimon who protect the space and time of the Digital World and whose influence reaches the Real World as well helping to stabilize it. They are the pillars on wich the worlds rest.The balance has to do with the dimensional boundaries that keep all possible worlds separated. If the Sacred Beasts weaken the worlds begin to overlap leading to distortions that can make them loose their balance and collapse in a world of darkness/nonexistence.
(Real World,Digital World,Dark Area,Dark Ocean,World of Darkness of Demon,World that materializses wishes to reality). All these worlds will be in danger of collapsing if the Sacred Beasts weaken. In Adventure 02 because Blackwargreymon destroyed 6/7 Holy Stones and because his dark existence was sealing Qinglongmon's powers and he gave multiple of his Digicores to the protagonists to enable them to evolve to Perfect/Ultimate,power who was suppossed to help balance the world,the Digital World turned into a wasteland and the boundaries were so weak that they could go from one world to the other simply by walking through them The Digital World and Human World are infinite,multiple sources especially Cyber Sleuth who confirms that there are an infinite number of universes,timelines,parallel worlds state it. The worlds branch infinitely for every possible possibility of wich there are countless possibilities. Each time something happens in one world, a new reality branches containing the other possibility. The Digital World is not a single place but divided in layers=dimensions,transcends/errodes reality,cannot be measured by human tehnology,it's another reality wich exists in another dimension and stands at a structural level above the human world.The Japanese translation actually mentions "It's a Superior Structure" to the point it encompasses the Human World and it doesn't talk about the processing resources available in the human world but about using the human world itself(infinte universe/infinite multiverse) as a processing resource and that even then the data that makes up the DW cannot be processed.It has existed far before our world and our world was created as but a shadow,an imperfect emanation from Idea,the primordial Digital World,by Demiurge the soulless creator.It has existed for much longer than the Human World and only recently did humans learn to tap in a small portion of it.Every possible world has emerged in a multi-layered way.....and the worlds quite similar yet different to one another lie side-by-side.
Digimon's cosmology structure is based on a real life philosphy,that of neoplatonic emanationism with higher levels of existence transcending lower levels of existence.This idea can be understood as the principle of the existence of a hierarchy of worlds Proof where there are superior and perfect worlds in contrast to inferior and imperfect worlds, all of which derive from a single unit that would be the absolute being.Within the Digimon franchise the concept of Neoplatonic emanationism is used to establish the relation between the worlds.The adopted concept of Platonism is that there is a higher reality, a true abstract existence that is responsible for all that is individual to exist. The concept of emantionism is that there are in fact innumerable layers of reality, one more abstract than the other, but in the end with all arising from a single higher and absolute layer. According to Emanationism, Creation occurs by a process of emanation - "out-flowing". The entire cosmos, and even all the gods and godheads beyond the cosmos, have come about through emanation. Just as the ocean forms its surface into waves, so the absolute forms create successive manifestations, successive entities. And these in turn create - or rather, emanate - further entities, and so on, with all these entities combining and interacting in the extraordinary network of existence.Emanationism is an idea in the cosmology or cosmogony of certain religious or philosophical systems. Emanation, from the Latin emanare meaning "to flow from" or "to pour forth or out of", is the mode by which all things are derived from the first reality, or principle. All things are derived from the first reality or perfect God by steps of degradation to lesser degrees of the first reality or God, and at every step the emanating beings are less pure, less perfect, less divine. Each of the levels of reality in the emanationist cosmology could be termed a "World". Here, "World" is a general term meaning any self-contained realm or universe of existence. One could equally well say "Universe", "Cosmos", "Sphere", "Realm", "Plane", "Horizon", "Reality", "State of existence", "State of consciousness", etc. The term "World" has been chosen simply because it is a useful general term.One could think of the relationship between each of these levels as being like "body and soul", "spirit and matter", or "creator and creature", in that each higher level is the soul, spirit, and creator of the level immediately below it; and the body, matter, and creature (created being) of the level immediately above it. Basically the structure of existence is divided into several layers with a physical and metaphysical difference between the layers.We humans are material beings with bodies composed of atoms, but we still have a soul that we are not able to interact with, wich is metaphysical. In an emanationist cosmology our world is located in a layer, in a layer above ours,our souls are as physical as our bodies in our layer, but these souls happen to have a new metaphysical correspondent just as the physical body has the soul.To each level of existence, there is a higher level with this physical/metaphysical difference. Our physical bodies have souls, souls have other souls (I will call it the second soul), the second soul has a third soul, and so on. Digimon follows the same cosmology, the world is structured in a multi-layered hierarchy. In short, it's nothing akin to universes in parallel to one another, which a superficial knowledge of all this stuff would lead to, nor is it the difference in between the Real and the Virtual/Digital, posited by the V-Pets and by anything following the lore of the V-Pets, but the relationship between a higher plane of existence and the one that's emanated from it. It's vertical, not horizontal. The Digital World is a plane of existence in which the otherwise poorly defined "soul", or the essence, of humans can take physical form.The inhabitants of the higher worlds(Digimon) act like the souls of those in the lower worlds(humans)
Wargreymon defeated 2 Dark Masters that have defeated and sealed the Sacred Beasts and are stated to be equal in power and they didn't do just that.The Dark Masters took their place in the last arc of the original Adventure, replacing the Digital World's previously established order with their own: Spiral Mountain. As for the Dark Masters, when they ASSUMED DIRECT CONTROL of the Digital World after sealing away the Four Holy Beasts, they basically reformatted the entire Digital World to become Spiral Mountain courtesy of Nanomon's program which allowed them to reshape it any way they wanted. They reshaped the entire Digital World. All the earth, skies, Digimon, everything was deconstructed and rebuilt in the shape of the Spiral Mountain.They each became linked to 1/4th of the Digital World. Metalseadramon ruled over the world of oceans,Mugendramon ruled over the world of cities,Pinochimon ruled over the world of forests and Piemon ruled over the world of darkness.It's also worth noting that as each of the Dark Masters are defeated, the area of Spiral Mountain that they rule over also disappears into nothingness, further confirming that they did reformat the Digital World to their liking as well as confirming the Holy Beasts influence over the Digital World.It's very much a Hades from Saint Seiya situation: the power of the Dark Masters is what's holding the Digital World (Spiral Mountain) together by the final arc of Adventure. Without them, it all vanishes into nothingness: the world needed to be rebooted out of File Island's data in both anime and novels.The novels even indicate they stood under a "sky devoid of stars" and that "Heaven and Earth had been pulled into Spiral Mountain". The Dark Masters also had to best the Holy Beasts in combat to achieve all of this: the novels outright show that Piemon pounded Qinglongmon and sealed him by himself.
Wargreymon and Metalgarurumon were also the ones who destroyed Apocalymon's physical form. Apocalymon's feats include:
Anime:
-His existence warped the fabric of space-time, and it had nearly brought the world to total destruction.
-His very existence created distortions. Distortions can cause the worlds to lose their balance and combine into one (Digital World came abnormally close to the Real World). When dealing with distortions, there's always more than one world being involved. The situation with Belial Vamdemon was affecting 7+ worlds, likely more.In the novel, we know Vamdemon wanted all worlds
-His "Gran Death Big Bang" can destroy entire universes (as in all worlds not just the digital and human universes of Adventure).
-Apocalymon can reverse evolution. Apocalymon is a concept that rejects evolution itself, so it's not surprising that he has this power.
-His physical form can self-regenerate.
-His true form is non-corporeal. Apocalymon is the very incarnation of the darkness of the Darkness Zone, which is infinite and can turn the whole Digital World into nothingness (nothingness is even capitalized in his profile, likely showing its importance).
-Apocalymon can disassemble his opponents into ones and zeros ( digicores would be affected, which contains the information of the soul/mind, powers/abilities, etc, of the Digimon).
Digimon Adventure (novel)
-Changed the Wall of Fire into a black hole for a fraction of a second. The black hole was apparently the size of the Milky Way galaxy.
-Apocalymon sent the Dark Masters its "concept" (or "thoughts") across the Wall of Fire, because the Dark Masters' plan, without them even realizing it, would utterly destroy the Village of Beginning functions. In other words, creating Spiral Mountain stole the concept of "evolution" from the Digital World. Unconsciously, the Dark Masters were manipulated by Apocalymon into rejecting the idea of evolution.
-Apocalymon is a concept, merely an Idea. Apocalymon is an idea that rejects “evolution.” In other words, it is the very essence of the idea to “not evolve.” While it is true that there are those in the Digital World who have disappeared through the evolution process, they get reconstructed as different species at the Village of Beginnings. However, what remains is their feelings of regret. Apocalymon absorbed those lingering emotions and the data of the defeated Dark Masters as its nourishment in order to form its physical body.
-The Digital World as we know it wouldn’t have existed in the first place if it hadn’t rejected that Idea.(Apocalymon's true form) and sealed it beyond the Wall of Fire.
-The physical manifestation gathered enough energy to create a Big Bang that would reset the whole Digital World and the Human World overlapping it. Big Bangs in Digimon are rarely the same as the real world Big Bang.
-After Apocalymon destroys the worlds, he planned on reconstructing a new stagnant world where it would rule as a God, worshipping only bleakness and death.
Wargreymon alone would solo the verse and even Otsutsuki level threats.
EDIT:The original answer would have been way more complex but thank ComicVine for not allowing me to post it.
@adyx94: You spent a whole lot of words saying "Kurama absolutely tears this shit tier digidouche apart"
The actual answer can be cut down to "He has the potential to beat Kurama in his upper end forms, but lacks quantifiable speed feats of any level that matters and gets bitch slapper around by less at times". The cosmology being a complete mess is also irrelevent. Characters being pillars of power doesn't make them powerful. Dragon Ball is a good example. Supreme Kai is a weak shit. His existence is tied to Beerus who is very powerful. Supreme Kai is a pillar of his universe. It doesn't make him worth anything.
@wabubub: another wanker. My guy anything Perfect up slaps the weaklings that the Naruto verse is. Naruto is one of the weakest verses out there.Wargreymon and Metalgarurumon stomp even DBS. Just say you can't take that your favorite verse gets stomped and move on. And you missed the part where the Sacred Beasts literally keep all worlds on the floating line. Wanna know what happened when beings that took their place were killled? The Digital world CEASED TO EXIST. It literally got erased with each one that was killed. Plus the cosmology of Digimon makes Naruto look like ants. Well Naruto doesn't even have such a thing as cosmology to begin with. A comparison with DBS would be:
Two infinite multiverses one being a multi-layered higher dimension metaphysically+multiple higher dimensions that transcend each other with the Kernel standing as the highest+ ultradimensions with ultradimensional space that extended above an infinite number of universes transcending even the Kernel(Digimon) vs 12 universes(DBS). DBS is an ant in cosmology compared to Digimon.
Most protagonists in all seasons plus all god pantheons solo DBS. AS IN SINGLE INDIVIDUALS.
@reaperthegrim: Metalgreymon is enough to own that fox. Metalgreymon rivals AtlurKabuterimon who blew up Vademon's pocket universe that contains multiple planets and a galaxy,destroyed a Saturn-like planet and killed Vademon who can destroy stars with his gun in a single attack and other Perfects like Gerbemon who has a trash can that acts like a literal black hole,DarkSuperstarmon who uses supernovae and lives in a black hole,Digitamamon who has a pocket universe with stars and planets within himself,Warumonzaemon who has a dimension with dozens of stars in his body So yeah the fox gets owned by Metalgreymon alone.
As for Wargreymon he rivals the Sacred Beasts the Digimon who protect the space and time of the Digital World and whose influence reaches the Real World as well helping to stabilize it. They are the pillars on wich the worlds rest.The balance has to do with the dimensional boundaries that keep all possible worlds separated. If the Sacred Beasts weaken the worlds begin to overlap leading to distortions that can make them loose their balance and collapse in a world of darkness/nonexistence.
(Real World,Digital World,Dark Area,Dark Ocean,World of Darkness of Demon,World that materializses wishes to reality). All these worlds will be in danger of collapsing if the Sacred Beasts weaken. In Adventure 02 because Blackwargreymon destroyed 6/7 Holy Stones and because his dark existence was sealing Qinglongmon's powers and he gave multiple of his Digicores to the protagonists to enable them to evolve to Perfect/Ultimate,power who was suppossed to help balance the world,the Digital World turned into a wasteland and the boundaries were so weak that they could go from one world to the other simply by walking through them The Digital World and Human World are infinite,multiple sources especially Cyber Sleuth who confirms that there are an infinite number of universes,timelines,parallel worlds state it. The worlds branch infinitely for every possible possibility of wich there are countless possibilities. Each time something happens in one world, a new reality branches containing the other possibility. The Digital World is not a single place but divided in layers=dimensions,transcends/errodes reality,cannot be measured by human tehnology,it's another reality wich exists in another dimension and stands at a structural level above the human world.The Japanese translation actually mentions "It's a Superior Structure" to the point it encompasses the Human World and it doesn't talk about the processing resources available in the human world but about using the human world itself(infinte universe/infinite multiverse) as a processing resource and that even then the data that makes up the DW cannot be processed.It has existed far before our world and our world was created as but a shadow,an imperfect emanation from Idea,the primordial Digital World,by Demiurge the soulless creator.It has existed for much longer than the Human World and only recently did humans learn to tap in a small portion of it.Every possible world has emerged in a multi-layered way.....and the worlds quite similar yet different to one another lie side-by-side.
Digimon's cosmology structure is based on a real life philosphy,that of neoplatonic emanationism with higher levels of existence transcending lower levels of existence.This idea can be understood as the principle of the existence of a hierarchy of worlds Proof where there are superior and perfect worlds in contrast to inferior and imperfect worlds, all of which derive from a single unit that would be the absolute being.Within the Digimon franchise the concept of Neoplatonic emanationism is used to establish the relation between the worlds.The adopted concept of Platonism is that there is a higher reality, a true abstract existence that is responsible for all that is individual to exist. The concept of emantionism is that there are in fact innumerable layers of reality, one more abstract than the other, but in the end with all arising from a single higher and absolute layer. According to Emanationism, Creation occurs by a process of emanation - "out-flowing". The entire cosmos, and even all the gods and godheads beyond the cosmos, have come about through emanation. Just as the ocean forms its surface into waves, so the absolute forms create successive manifestations, successive entities. And these in turn create - or rather, emanate - further entities, and so on, with all these entities combining and interacting in the extraordinary network of existence.Emanationism is an idea in the cosmology or cosmogony of certain religious or philosophical systems. Emanation, from the Latin emanare meaning "to flow from" or "to pour forth or out of", is the mode by which all things are derived from the first reality, or principle. All things are derived from the first reality or perfect God by steps of degradation to lesser degrees of the first reality or God, and at every step the emanating beings are less pure, less perfect, less divine. Each of the levels of reality in the emanationist cosmology could be termed a "World". Here, "World" is a general term meaning any self-contained realm or universe of existence. One could equally well say "Universe", "Cosmos", "Sphere", "Realm", "Plane", "Horizon", "Reality", "State of existence", "State of consciousness", etc. The term "World" has been chosen simply because it is a useful general term.One could think of the relationship between each of these levels as being like "body and soul", "spirit and matter", or "creator and creature", in that each higher level is the soul, spirit, and creator of the level immediately below it; and the body, matter, and creature (created being) of the level immediately above it. Basically the structure of existence is divided into several layers with a physical and metaphysical difference between the layers.We humans are material beings with bodies composed of atoms, but we still have a soul that we are not able to interact with, wich is metaphysical. In an emanationist cosmology our world is located in a layer, in a layer above ours,our souls are as physical as our bodies in our layer, but these souls happen to have a new metaphysical correspondent just as the physical body has the soul.To each level of existence, there is a higher level with this physical/metaphysical difference. Our physical bodies have souls, souls have other souls (I will call it the second soul), the second soul has a third soul, and so on. Digimon follows the same cosmology, the world is structured in a multi-layered hierarchy. In short, it's nothing akin to universes in parallel to one another, which a superficial knowledge of all this stuff would lead to, nor is it the difference in between the Real and the Virtual/Digital, posited by the V-Pets and by anything following the lore of the V-Pets, but the relationship between a higher plane of existence and the one that's emanated from it. It's vertical, not horizontal. The Digital World is a plane of existence in which the otherwise poorly defined "soul", or the essence, of humans can take physical form.The inhabitants of the higher worlds(Digimon) act like the souls of those in the lower worlds(humans)
Wargreymon defeated 2 Dark Masters that have defeated and sealed the Sacred Beasts and are stated to be equal in power and they didn't do just that.The Dark Masters took their place in the last arc of the original Adventure, replacing the Digital World's previously established order with their own: Spiral Mountain. As for the Dark Masters, when they ASSUMED DIRECT CONTROL of the Digital World after sealing away the Four Holy Beasts, they basically reformatted the entire Digital World to become Spiral Mountain courtesy of Nanomon's program which allowed them to reshape it any way they wanted. They reshaped the entire Digital World. All the earth, skies, Digimon, everything was deconstructed and rebuilt in the shape of the Spiral Mountain.They each became linked to 1/4th of the Digital World. Metalseadramon ruled over the world of oceans,Mugendramon ruled over the world of cities,Pinochimon ruled over the world of forests and Piemon ruled over the world of darkness.It's also worth noting that as each of the Dark Masters are defeated, the area of Spiral Mountain that they rule over also disappears into nothingness, further confirming that they did reformat the Digital World to their liking as well as confirming the Holy Beasts influence over the Digital World.It's very much a Hades from Saint Seiya situation: the power of the Dark Masters is what's holding the Digital World (Spiral Mountain) together by the final arc of Adventure. Without them, it all vanishes into nothingness: the world needed to be rebooted out of File Island's data in both anime and novels.The novels even indicate they stood under a "sky devoid of stars" and that "Heaven and Earth had been pulled into Spiral Mountain". The Dark Masters also had to best the Holy Beasts in combat to achieve all of this: the novels outright show that Piemon pounded Qinglongmon and sealed him by himself.
Wargreymon and Metalgarurumon were also the ones who destroyed Apocalymon's physical form. Apocalymon's feats include:
Anime:
-His existence warped the fabric of space-time, and it had nearly brought the world to total destruction.
-His very existence created distortions. Distortions can cause the worlds to lose their balance and combine into one (Digital World came abnormally close to the Real World). When dealing with distortions, there's always more than one world being involved. The situation with Belial Vamdemon was affecting 7+ worlds, likely more.In the novel, we know Vamdemon wanted all worlds
-His "Gran Death Big Bang" can destroy entire universes (as in all worlds not just the digital and human universes of Adventure).
-Apocalymon can reverse evolution. Apocalymon is a concept that rejects evolution itself, so it's not surprising that he has this power.
-His physical form can self-regenerate.
-His true form is non-corporeal. Apocalymon is the very incarnation of the darkness of the Darkness Zone, which is infinite and can turn the whole Digital World into nothingness (nothingness is even capitalized in his profile, likely showing its importance).
-Apocalymon can disassemble his opponents into ones and zeros ( digicores would be affected, which contains the information of the soul/mind, powers/abilities, etc, of the Digimon).
Digimon Adventure (novel)
-Changed the Wall of Fire into a black hole for a fraction of a second. The black hole was apparently the size of the Milky Way galaxy.
-Apocalymon sent the Dark Masters its "concept" (or "thoughts") across the Wall of Fire, because the Dark Masters' plan, without them even realizing it, would utterly destroy the Village of Beginning functions. In other words, creating Spiral Mountain stole the concept of "evolution" from the Digital World. Unconsciously, the Dark Masters were manipulated by Apocalymon into rejecting the idea of evolution.
-Apocalymon is a concept, merely an Idea. Apocalymon is an idea that rejects “evolution.” In other words, it is the very essence of the idea to “not evolve.” While it is true that there are those in the Digital World who have disappeared through the evolution process, they get reconstructed as different species at the Village of Beginnings. However, what remains is their feelings of regret. Apocalymon absorbed those lingering emotions and the data of the defeated Dark Masters as its nourishment in order to form its physical body.
-The Digital World as we know it wouldn’t have existed in the first place if it hadn’t rejected that Idea.(Apocalymon's true form) and sealed it beyond the Wall of Fire.
-The physical manifestation gathered enough energy to create a Big Bang that would reset the whole Digital World and the Human World overlapping it. Big Bangs in Digimon are rarely the same as the real world Big Bang.
-After Apocalymon destroys the worlds, he planned on reconstructing a new stagnant world where it would rule as a God, worshipping only bleakness and death.
Wargreymon alone would solo the verse and even Otsutsuki level threats.
EDIT:The original answer would have been way more complex but thank ComicVine for not allowing me to post it.
Wow, all these feats for other characters, and a wall of text that has no bearing on this fight. Are you going to post feats for Greymon or not?
@reaperthegrim: just wanted to show how stupid your claims were. As for Greymon this was obviously a spite thread. This thread should be locked.
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