The point of what I was saying is that everyone on the KFP are casual arrow timers. And I think are blur speed at times. If the other team aren’t bullet timers then there isn’t a discernible advantage they have in speed. What would you say they are in speed? They seem super soldier level to me.
The KFP team can easily shatter stone and utilize chi which increases their AP iirc. This is AP I don’t see the spider team tanking or replicating. Tigress especially is pretty on par with Tai Lung although he is likely stronger and slightly more skilled. The team were also able to damage him. They’re lower than him for sure. But aren’t fodder. Nothing about this scaling is meaningless, the fact that Tigress can kind of tank a beat down from Tai lung who is building level plus says a lot about her stats.
How fast are the web shooters, they seem about arrow speed. They’re perfectly in the KFP team’s range to dodge. We usually use characters fighting at their best in threads, so I wouldn’t use plot induced jobbing as a reason why they lose.
hi friend, I never say nor think the spider team have discernible speed advantage over the KFP team though :-) They don't need to be bullet timers to take on arrow timers. Beside, as shown, they did have feats of evading spraying machine guns from dozens of goons, and Miles dodged seversal gunshots from Kingpin. So they definitely have the speed to hang with the KFP warriors.
When Tai Lung fought with the Furious Five on the bridge, for most of the duration he did not take them serious, declared only Dragon Warrior is worthy of being his opponent. He mocked and toyed with them and rarely took it seriously. And still, the five only managed to temporarily incap the cocky Tai Lung via perfect team-work and circumstantial advantages (brige and rope). The moment Tai Lung got serious, he took them out pretty fast.
Hmm I remember Po and Tigress have stone-breaking/stone-shattering feats, but no the other Furious Four? I could be wrong though so feel free to correct me if my memory have failed me. I think this fight boils down to Po and Tigress vs Composite Peter and Miles since those four had the best showing out of their team.
Since composite Peter have feats of no-sell blunt-force attacks from Giant Goblin and survive reactor energy-explosion, he should have decent durability to tank at least a few good hits from Po, while attempt to incap Po via his web, the same web that was durable enough to drag Peter and Miles halfway across the city on a speeding train with a SINGLE strand, all the while bumping and crushing into all sort of solid obstacles in high speed without snapping. And I don't think the KFP warriors been restrained not once..but TWICE..as PIS, since both occasions happened during serious settings as oppose to silly gags for comedy effects.
I am rubbish when it comes to calculating speed lol. There were several occasions throughout the film where the Spiders shot web onto something on blink of eyes, whether that is arrow speed or bullet speed are down to others more expert than I to pause frame by frame and meassure distance and inches and calculate, because I am lazy like that lol. So lets just go with your arrow-speed assumption instead.
Even so, there is no guarantee the KFP can never get tagged though, especially if we consider 1) when the web will be coming from much closer combat-distance than a typical arrow shot from long-range; 2) the KFP warriors would never expect their opponents are capable of shoting strange "strings" seemingly out of nowhere, we are familiar with the now-iconic spiderman web-shooting hand gesture and know what it means and what is following the gesture, but they don't. So there is element of surprise; 3) even if they saw the strange "strings" coming at them, they might not have enough awareness to find it neccessary to dodge them since the web are nothing like the conventional weapons (arrows, darts, throwing knives etc.) they are used to, so its likely the warriors might opt for the block/swipe option (they did block/swipe away the conventional projectiles at times anyway), which instantly open them up to be glued and manipulated by the super-sticky web and throw them off their game. Therefore, it is not impossible for Peter or Miles to tag and incap Po/tigress via webbing.
Furthermore, neither of them KFP warriors have counter to Miles' invisibility, which would make it even easier for Miles to sneak close and web them out of surprise. Miles' electricity power can also come in handy during cqc. I am not saying his electricity can definitely KO the stronger foes, but even if it just numb them for a couple moments, it is enough to create another web opportunity or get a couple free punches in. Beside, Tigress was clearly stated in the film to be NOT fire-proof, so the heat of his electricity could also deliver some damage against her.
Overall, I do think the KFP team is more skilled, and Po are definitely stronger than any of the spiders, but what they lack in strength, the spiders make up for it via webbing and other abilities and pull out a few wins. The battle is not as one-sided as many might think :-)
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