@shroudofsorrow: Ok, my mistake. Then he does get a good fight with belegar but i do think he goes down to Ungrim. People always downplay Ungrim because he is over shadowed by gotrek. But good gauntlet man!
Yeah up on it being a good gauntlet, I enjoy the fact that Shroud makes so many good warhammer threads in general. Probs the threads I look most forward to on the site
I believe Ungrim to be both less skilled than both Kroq and Ungrim, and i also believe that he's got worse geae than Ungrim and worse stats overall than Kroq, somewhat debateable but still, i think Kroq's the more (lorewise) damage-resilient one given his adversaries in the past combined with current events and age.
You said Ungrim instead of Grimgor lol, but I get your meaning. Also I actually agree, at least pre-ET Ungrim is def overall better than Grimgor. But then again Grimgor changed his armour from his blood-forged to his plot-forged one in ET, so I think he would've won it in that setting.
I actually would also say that Ungrim performed better than Grimgor against Archaon in ET. The incarnates were getting increasingly stronger over time, and whereas Ungrim fought Archaon just after getting it, Grimgor was an incarnate from start to finish. Yet both had equal performances. One could also argue that the Archaon fighting Grimgor was weaker, as Archaon's power grows and wanes with the power of Chaos, and in the battle of Nuln Chaos was at its most dominating (with the exception of pre-Altdorf), whereas in the final battle of Middenheim Chaos was getting pushed back heavily: All Archaon's champions died, all his greater daemons (even Ka'bandha) died, and practically his entire battleforce was defeated
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