Kroq-Gar runs the Iron Gauntlet

Because Warhammer Fantasy just has that many characters with "Iron" in their name. XD

Kroq-Gar is unmounted for the whole gauntlet, and gets no rest or breaks in-between the first five rounds, but is fully restored at the start of each round in the second half of the gauntlet. How far does he get?

• Round 1: An Ogre Irongut
• Round 2: Two Ogre Ironguts
• Round 3: Five Ogre Ironguts
• Round 4: Ghark Ironskin
• Round 5: Kurgan Ironbeard
• Round 6: Astragoth Ironhand
• Round 7: Gorbad Ironclaw
• Round 8: Belegar Ironhammer
• Round 9: Ungrim Ironfist
• Round 10: Grimgor Ironhide (Pre-End Times)
• Bonus Round: Grimgor Ironhide (End Times / Wind of Beasts). Kroq-Gar gets Grymloq for the bonus round.

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If no rest is allowed he stops propably at Gorbad. I think he would defeat him in 1v1 but with the gauntlet and no rest he diest at #6, with or without gnarla.

Kroq-gar fights his way to the bonus, though with tough fights in 7, 9 and 10. If he's allowed to just hand of god them he might stomp every round.

Bonus could go either way, both exceptionally powerful fighters. Might give Kroq the win with numerical advantage and hax

@exmaster3000: I said he gets no rest in-between the first five rounds

@cheth: You think he can beat Grimgor/Wind of Beasts Grimgor? Interesting. I wasn't sure he could myself.

He can, but its not assured (against winds). I'm pretty confident he'd beat reg grimgor tho

This is difficult. I give Kroq-gar 10/10 in the first 6 rounds, and then it gets difficult. Does he have his gear, or is he only armed with a regular weapon? I actually hold Ungrim at a higher regard than unamped Grimgor.

@cergic: You do? Fascinating. What would your reasons be?

Interesting. Reasons? I always took Grimgor to be Top 10 myself.

Kroq-gar stops at either Ungrim or Grimgor both rounds.

@merulezall: That was what I had been thinking, but I'm willing to hear @cheth and @cergic's reasons for Kroq-Gar beating Ungrim or base Grimgor.

@shroudofsorrow: Ok, my mistake. Then he does get a good fight with belegar but i do think he goes down to Ungrim. People always downplay Ungrim because he is over shadowed by gotrek. But good gauntlet man!

@exmaster3000: Thanks 😊

Losing to Kroq-gar hardly bumps you from the top 10 anways ;)

Personally its a matter for me of advantages. In a fight, Grimgor's strengths are phyicals and pure bloodlust. But I don't think he significantly (if at all) exceeds Kroq in that regard. Meanwhile Kroq has milennia more experience, gauntlet hax and an Old One spear. And lets not forget he on the daily spends his time stomping armies of greater daemons in the Great Apocalypse (the lizardmen even faced stronger and larger daemonic armies than the elves), whereas the incarnates usually were pressured by singular ones (except Nagash). Incarnate Grimgor was even tagged by a greater daemon of slaanesh, which Slaanesh specifically picked because he's a weak idiot (Slaanesh didn't want Archaon to succeed)

@shroudofsorrow:

I believe Ungrim to be both less skilled than both Kroq and Ungrim, and i also believe that he's got worse geae than Ungrim and worse stats overall than Kroq, somewhat debateable but still, i think Kroq's the more (lorewise) damage-resilient one given his adversaries in the past combined with current events and age.

Yeah up on it being a good gauntlet, I enjoy the fact that Shroud makes so many good warhammer threads in general. Probs the threads I look most forward to on the site

You said Ungrim instead of Grimgor lol, but I get your meaning. Also I actually agree, at least pre-ET Ungrim is def overall better than Grimgor. But then again Grimgor changed his armour from his blood-forged to his plot-forged one in ET, so I think he would've won it in that setting.

I actually would also say that Ungrim performed better than Grimgor against Archaon in ET. The incarnates were getting increasingly stronger over time, and whereas Ungrim fought Archaon just after getting it, Grimgor was an incarnate from start to finish. Yet both had equal performances. One could also argue that the Archaon fighting Grimgor was weaker, as Archaon's power grows and wanes with the power of Chaos, and in the battle of Nuln Chaos was at its most dominating (with the exception of pre-Altdorf), whereas in the final battle of Middenheim Chaos was getting pushed back heavily: All Archaon's champions died, all his greater daemons (even Ka'bandha) died, and practically his entire battleforce was defeated

Regarding Ssli-Vox tagging WoB Grimgor, couldn't that just be written off as a low showing?

As for not getting bumped out of the Top 10, my current Top 10 would be, in alphabetical order:

• Abhorash
• Aenarion
• Archaon
• Gotrek Gurnisson
• Grimgor Ironhide
• Grombrindal
• Ka'Bandha
• Sigmar
• The Green Knight
• Tyrion with Widowmaker

I'm beginning to think Grimgor's spot in the Top 10 should be only for Wind of Beasts Grimgor specifically...

Regarding Ssli-Vox tagging WoB Grimgor, couldn't that just be written off as a low showing?

Its the only figth consistent with pre-ET Grimgor

It would be kinda odd to do so since Grimgor fought Archaon like 5 paragraphs later. And greater daemons being challenges to the incarnates isn't exactly new either, its pretty consistent with how the incarnates fleed from the bloodthirsters at Athel Loren

I'm beginning to think Grimgor's spot in the Top 10 should be only for Wind of Beasts Grimgor specifically.

I thought it always was lol

@cheth: Well, not all Daemons are equal, and you outright said that Ssli-Vox is weak and stupid. Heck, I took him for having so few concrete feats I didn't even include him in my Warriors rankings. I classified him as "too undefined".

No, Base Grimgor was in the Top 10...until recently. Now he's in the 11-25 tier, and only Wind of Beasts Grimgor is Top 10.

Yeah Ssli-Vox is probably the weakest greater daemon we've ever seen in Warhammer lmfao. But then again even the weakest greater daemons are potent forces (though it does show that Grimgor might have some lacking defensive skill).

Thats fair