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Dovahkiin

Dovahkiin just defeated Alduin the planet destroyer. Learned all the shouts. Has collected all the Deadric Artifacts. Perfected every skill and spells.

  • He has 1 hour prep time before he goes into battle with Kratos.

So far on what I know. The Dragonborn has been labeled as a Mountain or Island Destroyer.

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Kratos

End of God of War 3. He has his equipment except for Medusa's head and The sword of Olympus

  • 1 hour prep time.

Location: The Throat Of The World.

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@cjdavis103: Any given reasons? or is this a spite? oops.

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@anal_vomit:

it is only spite if it intentional

Dov has a variety of Powerful Hax weaponry to chose from with daric artifacts.

his shouts have a varaty of one shoting powers.

and Dov can just shout him off the mountain the rain down powerful shouts and magics from the top of the moutain

and he can summon two dragons as well

he can win this in to many ways for this to be fair

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Dovahkiin stomps.

#inb4dragonbornisahigh-tierrealitywarper

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#6  Edited By leonkarlen123

Kratos. But if Deadric Dovakhiin he would win

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What can Dovakhiin do?

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@auction_sniper said:

What can Dovakhiin do?

Well....a lot apparently. A major factor of this is his Slow Time shout which slows time around him. Dovahkin can also summon two dragons. In lore the Dragons were basically Gods in disguise and only the Dragonborn had the power and strength to kill them. Which gives him the Island/Mountain destroyer title to fight with the dragons. One deadric artifact that comes in mind that can severely cause major damage or kill kratos is Mehrunes Razor. It instantly kills mortals and Kratos is a mortal. A lot of spells and shouts that the dragonborn has can damage Kratos because his durability isn't great.

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@anal_vomit: As impressive he sounds, it doesn't seem like anything Kratos couldn't handle.

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I don't see anything kratos can do that can beat Dov . The only edge that kratos has is greater strength. Which Dov can counter with his shouts. There is no way that kratos can win here

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@cjdavis103 said:

@auction_sniper:

I don't see anything kratos can do that can beat Dov . The only edge that kratos has is greater strength. Which Dov can counter with his shouts. There is no way that kratos can win here

Kratos is very underrated on this site, and better than people give him credit for. Anyway, how strong are his shouts?

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@auction_sniper: His basic shout unrelenting force can destroy entire fortresses and shake mountains.

He also has a variety of reality warping shouts The power to summon two dragons The power to slow time to a near stop and that is not going into his artifacts that he has access to

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@cjdavis103 said:

@auction_sniper: His basic shout unrelenting force can destroy entire fortresses and shake mountains.

He also has a variety of reality warping shouts The power to summon two dragons The power to slow time to a near stop and that is not going into his artifacts that he has access to

What can these two dragons do? It's possible that Kratos can tank these shouts. He has tanked some pretty powerful explosions.

Kratos is able to stop time as well. He has some good powers as well.

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@auction_sniper: The dragons are completely in mortal unless you happen to be the dragon born. They have access to the same shouts that Dov has

There's no way he can tank all of Dov's shouts. And dov has access to soul stealing attacks and an shout to control kratos (It works on immortal gods should work on him) and more

Nothing that can match what Dov can do can kratos instantly heal all of his wounds? Or something two powerful ancient demon warriors to do his bidding? Shoot massive fireballs come invisible? Or Mess with his mind?

He also has access to the wabajack watch can turn kratos into a chicken or worse

And many other hacks artifacts

Dov wins this

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@auction_sniper: Unrelenting Force can disintegrate its victims. Dragons included. Soul Tear can rip apart and destroy the targets soul. Lightning spells can also reduce targets to ashes. Mehrune's Razor is an instant kill. Ice Form can trap its targets for a time and leave them vulnerable to any other attack.

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@cjdavis103 said:

@auction_sniper: There's no way he can tank all of Dov's shouts.

Why not?

And dov has access to soul stealing attacks and an shout to control kratos (It works on immortal gods should work on him) and more

Kratos has soul stealing attacks as well.

Nothing that can match what Dov can do can kratos instantly heal all of his wounds?

Zeus could heal too, but that didn't stop Kratos from killing him.

Or something two powerful ancient demon warriors to do his bidding?

Kratos has taken on multiple enemies before.

Shoot massive fireballs

Which would do nothing to Kratos.

come invisible?

Useless.

Or Mess with his mind?

Zeus and Ares attempted this, and it didn't stop Kratos.

He also has access to the wabajack watch can turn kratos into a chicken or worse

Not sure about this, lol.

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@reikai said:

@auction_sniper: Unrelenting Force can disintegrate its victims. Dragons included. Soul Tear can rip apart and destroy the targets soul. Lightning spells can also reduce targets to ashes. Mehrune's Razor is an instant kill. Ice Form can trap its targets for a time and leave them vulnerable to any other attack.

According to Wikia, dragons and mammoths are staggered. Kratos has resisted "soul sucking" from Hades. Kratos could probably speedblitz Dovahkiin. Most of these sound like gameplay mechanics, and they'd do nothing to Kratos anyway.

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@auction_sniper: Wikia means nothing. Just references some of the information, not all of it. And that's a mechanic limitation, not part of the lore. After reading the Black Books of Hermaeus Mora, Dovahkiin acquired various new powers. Among which is Dragonborn Force which amplifies the power of Unrelenting Force and allows it to disintegrate its victims.

Lightning spells are shown in trailers to reduce targets to ashes. It's not a mechanic. It's part of the lore. As is the power behind Mehrune's Razor. It's fully lore driven. And, btw, Mehrune's Dagon, the one who created and empowered the razor, would stomp all over the entirety of the GoW pantheons. Primordials and Furies included.

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@auction_sniper: Wikia means nothing. Just references some of the information, not all of it. And that's a mechanic limitation, not part of the lore. After reading the Black Books of Hermaeus Mora, Dovahkiin acquired various new powers. Among which is Dragonborn Force which amplifies the power of Unrelenting Force and allows it to disintegrate its victims.

Lightning spells are shown in trailers to reduce targets to ashes. It's not a mechanic. It's part of the lore. As is the power behind Mehrune's Razor. It's fully lore driven. And, btw, Mehrune's Dagon, the one who created and empowered the razor, would stomp all over the entirety of the GoW pantheons. Primordials and Furies included.

Does this Unrelenting Force work on powerful enemies though?

Considering the fact that Kratos is a lighting timer, I doubt Dovahkiin would hit Kratos. Golden Fleece > Mehrune's Razor. Kratos always has the ability to summon the Soul of Hades, as well as his own lighting spells.

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People actually believe that Kratos is a legit lightning timer?

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It's been confirmed.

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Where exactly?

Twitter?

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Found it. http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/StarsNStripesDC/kratoslightningtimer_zps54f57318.jpg

http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/StarsNStripesDC/media/gowtwit_zpsa718ebce.png.html

That isn't exactly much of a feat in itself considering the first was asking whether he was just reacting to 'lightning' making no reference to intent. It's the equivalent of someone asking "Can Mario react to a bullet because he dodged this bullet bill" to which the developer would have no choice but to say yes. Sure Mario dodged a bullet, but not in the context of the actual debate.

The second one pretty much just talks about Kratos' flip itself. Todd Papy even mentioned that in the 6th reply. He wasn't talking about the reacting to lightning bit, just the flip itself.

Neither dev confirm it to be natural lightning in the first place and I suspect something considering my question to them about that detail hasn't been responded to yet.

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Found it. http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/StarsNStripesDC/kratoslightningtimer_zps54f57318.jpg

http://s1367.photobucket.com/user/StarsNStripesDC/media/gowtwit_zpsa718ebce.png.html

That isn't exactly much of a feat in itself considering the first was asking whether he was just reacting to 'lightning' making no reference to intent. It's the equivalent of someone asking "Can Mario react to a bullet because he dodged this bullet bill" to which the developer would have no choice but to say yes. Sure Mario dodged a bullet, but not in the context of the actual debate.

The second one pretty much just talks about Kratos' flip itself. Todd Papy even mentioned that in the 6th reply. He wasn't talking about the reacting to lightning bit, just the flip itself.

Neither dev confirm it to be natural lightning in the first place and I suspect something considering my question to them about that detail hasn't been responded to yet.

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Natural? If it wasn't natural lighting, then what was it? Even if it wasn't "natural" lighting, then it's still an impressive feat, and Kratos is still pretty fast. "If you completed GoW II, you'd know that Kratos had to avoid lighting or parry it."

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The fact that it can still be freeze framed just shows that lightning ain't exactly as fast as natural lightning.

That quote for GoW II applies to Kratos parrying various energy attacks from Zeus that don't act like natural lightning. Lightning spears, ball lightning, lightning waves, etc. In terms of a gameplay perspective, sure he 'dodged and/or parried it' in the same way that Mario avoided bullets by jumping over bullet bills. We know Zeus has other lightning attacks that take a while to perform and then use that actually seems to act like natural lightning as seen at the beginning of GoW III as shown on his attack on Gaia. But Kratos never manages to avoid or parry it at all in the games. Aimdodging is still an option for the faster attacks considering their startup.

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@lou_cypher said:

The fact that it can still be freeze framed just shows that lightning ain't exactly as fast as natural lightning.

That quote for GoW II applies to Kratos parrying various energy attacks from Zeus that don't act like natural lightning. Lightning spears, ball lightning, lightning waves, etc. In terms of a gameplay perspective, sure he 'dodged and/or parried it' in the same way that Mario avoided bullets by jumping over bullet bills. We know Zeus has other lightning attacks that take a while to perform and then use that actually seems to act like natural lightning as seen at the beginning of GoW III as shown on his attack on Gaia. But Kratos never manages to avoid or parry it at all in the games. Aimdodging is still an option for the faster attacks considering their startup.

I don't understand what you mean in your first statement.

Well, considering Zeus is the god of lighting/sky, I don't see why it wouldn't be natural lighting. Good point; however, according to Todd, it's a valid representation of Kratos, though.

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The video can be analyzed frame by frame and in youtube standards, lightning wouldn't be caught moving that slowly.

Being a god of x____ proves nothing. They're not exempt from the rules of debates here. He manipulates lightning, yes. But considering there is still lightning going off in the background in his fight, and still exists after his death, I'm more inclined to believe that he's taking natural lightning and modifying it already.

Todd said the backflip was a valid representation of Kratos' abilities. That's it. We know it came from a creature, we know it can be seen moving by frame.

We know Kratos reacts to Zeus. But we also know that the lightning Zeus uses come in many different forms.

As for that video, if you're going to use the gameplay limitations as proof, you should try elsewhere. All that can be seen there is Zeus attacking at the timestamp and Kratos could only hide behind the BoO. Pay attention to Zeus' movements before then. It can be telegraphed fairly well.

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@reikai said:

@auction_sniper: Wikia means nothing. Just references some of the information, not all of it. And that's a mechanic limitation, not part of the lore. After reading the Black Books of Hermaeus Mora, Dovahkiin acquired various new powers. Among which is Dragonborn Force which amplifies the power of Unrelenting Force and allows it to disintegrate its victims.

Lightning spells are shown in trailers to reduce targets to ashes. It's not a mechanic. It's part of the lore. As is the power behind Mehrune's Razor. It's fully lore driven. And, btw, Mehrune's Dagon, the one who created and empowered the razor, would stomp all over the entirety of the GoW pantheons. Primordials and Furies included.

Does this Unrelenting Force work on powerful enemies though?

Considering the fact that Kratos is a lighting timer, I doubt Dovahkiin would hit Kratos. Golden Fleece > Mehrune's Razor. Kratos always has the ability to summon the Soul of Hades, as well as his own lighting spells.

The Unrelenting Force works on just about anything,and even if it doesn't disintegrate you you'll still most likely go flying pretty far.And you might be a bit dazed

i would compare it to a force blast in a way

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The video can be analyzed frame by frame and in youtube standards, lightning wouldn't be caught moving that slowly.

Being a god of x____ proves nothing. They're not exempt from the rules of debates here. He manipulates lightning, yes. But considering there is still lightning going off in the background in his fight, and still exists after his death, I'm more inclined to believe that he's taking natural lightning and modifying it already.

Todd said the backflip was a valid representation of Kratos' abilities. That's it. We know it came from a creature, we know it can be seen moving by frame.

We know Kratos reacts to Zeus. But we also know that the lightning Zeus uses come in many different forms.

As for that video, if you're going to use the gameplay limitations as proof, you should try elsewhere. All that can be seen there is Zeus attacking at the timestamp and Kratos could only hide behind the BoO. Pay attention to Zeus' movements before then. It can be telegraphed fairly well.

Lighting can vary in speed, and it would be inconsistent anyway.

Considering the fact Zeus has complete control over lighting, I don't see why not. What difference would it make if he modifies it and why would he modify them? What difference would it make if it comes in different forms or not?

I'm pretty sure he was referring to that he could dodge lightning. Even Simon states that he had to avoid it (or parry it), as show above.

Thing is, this is was an unskippable QTE. Actually, Kratos was parrying the lighting with the Golden Fleece (which we can't see because Kratos has an alternate costume on).

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Another representative of Zeus' lighting.

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@1:07: Kratos dodges Zeus' lighting again.

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@auction_sniper: If Kratos was faster than lighting, why didn't he just speed blitz the entire game? Kratos has been labeled as a lighting reacter..just that, he isn't able to move faster than lighting because of the CIS of Zeus and his ability to aim. Just have the reaction time for lighting. Like, what about the other times his been hit by enemies and bosses. They were slow.

Is the text cannon for the GoW series? Maybe Kratos wasn't fast...Maybe Zeus was just slow. I've seen thousands of people who are faster than Kratos but never have been able to dodge lighting. Anyways, Kratos gets slow timed. His speed doesn't matter anymore.

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@auction_sniper: Dodging lightning in a game is rather meaningless. Dovahkiin is dodging and blocking lightning spells as well. And Golden Fleece doesn't protect Kratos' entire body. Also, UF harms all enemies. As stated, in Lore it has been used to obliterate entire castles. And that was by people who were not Dragonborn. Also fact that Kratos, even being strong, doesn't weigh like ten or so tons. So even by mechanic standard he'd get blown away.

As far as vocal prowess. Zeus affected weather patterns in an area. When the Graybeards whispered the name "Talos", the entire World shook as a side-effect. These are guys who are a step below the Ancient Tongues who battled Alduin in the Mythic Era. And their power combined wasn't enough, even with Dragonred. Yet the Dovahkiin by himself possessed the power to rival and even exceed Alduin at the height of his power.

As far as soul manipulation. Kratos needs to use the Claws of Hades to take a persons soul. Dovahkiin has weapons, spells and the Soul Tear shout that can all do that. And as far as conjuring dead spirits, Dovahkiin can do that and more. His Illusion magic is also powerful enough to affect even the dead and can turn them on Kratos.

Also, Dovahkiin has Auriel's Shield. While the Fleece can reflect direct magic attacks, Dovahkiin's shield can actually absorb all the force used against it and collect that power within itself and release that collective energy when used to strike an opponent. It also makes the Dovahkiin all but invincible. As even if it couldn't be used to stop an attack, like an AoE spell or the shield isn't brought to bear in time, it can restore the wielders physical status and guard them from injury. This makes Auriel's Shield many times more useful and powerful than the Golden Fleece.

As far as Mehrune's Razor, yes the Fleece can block it, or any tough enough piece of armor. However, if it even so much as scratches Kratos, it will kill him instantly. That is how it had always functioned in the lore and was made so by Mehrune's Dagon, the Daedric Prince of Destruction.

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Kratos.

Dragonborn, please.

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One word: Wabbajack.

Dragonborn wins.

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One word: Wabbajack.

Dragonborn wins.

Turns him into The God Chicken Of War.

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@auction_sniper: If Kratos was faster than lighting, why didn't he just speed blitz the entire game? Kratos has been labeled as a lighting reacter..just that, he isn't able to move faster than lighting because of the CIS of Zeus and his ability to aim. Just have the reaction time for lighting. Like, what about the other times his been hit by enemies and bosses. They were slow.

Is the text cannon for the GoW series? Maybe Kratos wasn't fast...Maybe Zeus was just slow. I've seen thousands of people who are faster than Kratos but never have been able to dodge lighting. Anyways, Kratos gets slow timed. His speed doesn't matter anymore.

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Reaction does not equal combat speed. Superman is incredible fast, but he doesn't speed blitz his opponents and gets tagged by slower enemies than Kratos. Do you have evidence it's CIS/his ability to aim? What other times has Kratos been hit? He is able to keep up with Ares, who is about hypersonic in speed (with Transonic/massively hypersonic reactions). He was capable of fighting through a time dialation so potent that a creature that was 100-300 m/s by sheer virtue of size was slowed to a borderline standstill, falling rubble in seen in borderline standstill compared to his own movement

I believe so, yes. I believe he's hypersonic with the Boots of Hermes, so I don't see him being being slowed down too much, if at all (depending on how slow this spell is anyway) (and I believe he is faster than the Leviathan, which scales Olympus in about a second or two).

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@reikai said:

@auction_sniper: Dodging lightning in a game is rather meaningless. Dovahkiin is dodging and blocking lightning spells as well. And Golden Fleece doesn't protect Kratos' entire body. Also, UF harms all enemies. As stated, in Lore it has been used to obliterate entire castles. And that was by people who were not Dragonborn. Also fact that Kratos, even being strong, doesn't weigh like ten or so tons. So even by mechanic standard he'd get blown away.

As far as vocal prowess. Zeus affected weather patterns in an area. When the Graybeards whispered the name "Talos", the entire World shook as a side-effect. These are guys who are a step below the Ancient Tongues who battled Alduin in the Mythic Era. And their power combined wasn't enough, even with Dragonred. Yet the Dovahkiin by himself possessed the power to rival and even exceed Alduin at the height of his power.

As far as soul manipulation. Kratos needs to use the Claws of Hades to take a persons soul. Dovahkiin has weapons, spells and the Soul Tear shout that can all do that. And as far as conjuring dead spirits, Dovahkiin can do that and more. His Illusion magic is also powerful enough to affect even the dead and can turn them on Kratos.

Also, Dovahkiin has Auriel's Shield. While the Fleece can reflect direct magic attacks, Dovahkiin's shield can actually absorb all the force used against it and collect that power within itself and release that collective energy when used to strike an opponent. It also makes the Dovahkiin all but invincible. As even if it couldn't be used to stop an attack, like an AoE spell or the shield isn't brought to bear in time, it can restore the wielders physical status and guard them from injury. This makes Auriel's Shield many times more useful and powerful than the Golden Fleece.

As far as Mehrune's Razor, yes the Fleece can block it, or any tough enough piece of armor. However, if it even so much as scratches Kratos, it will kill him instantly. That is how it had always functioned in the lore and was made so by Mehrune's Dagon, the Daedric Prince of Destruction.

Yes, but does in happen in gameplay or unskippable cutscenes? Kratos has island durability, so yeah.

Considering the speed of Kratos, I don't see why he couldn't pull it off. Kratos is able to summon dead spirits too. As I said, Ares/Zeus was able to pull illusions too (probably on a higher scale than Dovahkiin), and it didn't help them. With the Eyes of Truth, he is able to see through the dark magic of The Furies.

The Golden Fleece is able to block attacks from the BoO, which is far more powerful than the AS. What's stopping Kratos from blinding Dovahkiin and taking the shield from him?

I'm guessing it kills anything it touches? If so, that sounds like a hyperbole. Why can't it insta-kill Miraak or Karstaag? I believe Kratos still has the ability to slow time.

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@auction_sniper: Aware of the Eye of Truth. But that helps him defend against Illusions, not any of the dead souls he summons. They'd be susceptible to the Dovahkiin's abilities. And I haven't seen this island-level durability from Kratos, even after five games and some comics. And again, Dovahkiin killed a World Ender. With the power attributed to the Dovahkiin he'd actually be a continent buster.

Also, no. Simply because the Fleece can block strikes from the Olympus Blade, doesn't make it stronger than Auriel's Shield. Both items are, as their lore indicates, indestructible. However, as I've stated, Auriel's Shield has more special abilities. The Fleece can only block attacks or deflect direct magical ones. Auriel's Shield can absorb all the energy used against it and release that power against its targets.

Say Kratos hit the shield 50 times. It would accumulate all of the force behind all 50 strikes and release that combined force in one move. Say a punch from him delivers 1500lb per square inch. Multiply that by fifty and that's how much more the Shield releases at one time. That's just an example.

Far as Blinding, Dovahkiin has multiple visionary abilities and spells, making that not even an option. As far as Mehrunes Razor's effect, it's not hyperbole. It's a literal part of TES lore. It not insta-killing Miraak, Karstaag and whatnot is purely gameplay mechanics. Also, as far as Miraak, it was within Hermaeus Mora's realm in Oblivion, Apocrypha, where Mehrunes Dagon has no authority or sway. A Daedric Artifact won't function in another Daedric Princes realm unless they permit it to do so. It's also why they never enter another Princes realm of Oblivion.

The speed of Hermes Boots is also off base. Hermes isn't that fast. Also, Dovahkiin has abilities that increase his speed so it's not really a factor anyway.

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@auction_sniper: Aware of the Eye of Truth. But that helps him defend against Illusions, not any of the dead souls he summons. They'd be susceptible to the Dovahkiin's abilities. And I haven't seen this island-level durability from Kratos, even after five games and some comics. And again, Dovahkiin killed a World Ender. With the power attributed to the Dovahkiin he'd actually be a continent buster.

Also, no. Simply because the Fleece can block strikes from the Olympus Blade, doesn't make it stronger than Auriel's Shield. Both items are, as their lore indicates, indestructible. However, as I've stated, Auriel's Shield has more special abilities. The Fleece can only block attacks or deflect direct magical ones. Auriel's Shield can absorb all the energy used against it and release that power against its targets.

Say Kratos hit the shield 50 times. It would accumulate all of the force behind all 50 strikes and release that combined force in one move. Say a punch from him delivers 1500lb per square inch. Multiply that by fifty and that's how much more the Shield releases at one time. That's just an example.

Far as Blinding, Dovahkiin has multiple visionary abilities and spells, making that not even an option. As far as Mehrunes Razor's effect, it's not hyperbole. It's a literal part of TES lore. It not insta-killing Miraak, Karstaag and whatnot is purely gameplay mechanics. Also, as far as Miraak, it was within Hermaeus Mora's realm in Oblivion, Apocrypha, where Mehrunes Dagon has no authority or sway. A Daedric Artifact won't function in another Daedric Princes realm unless they permit it to do so. It's also why they never enter another Princes realm of Oblivion.

The speed of Hermes Boots is also off base. Hermes isn't that fast. Also, Dovahkiin has abilities that increase his speed so it's not really a factor anyway.

What help would they be to him defeating Kratos? Why would they be susceptible to his abilities? Didn't you pretty much say that titles mean nothing? Hasn't he actually shown the power/ability though? I'll post these feats below (now these aren't his only durability feats, mind you).

I say this because the BoO has shown to be more powerful than the Auriel's Shield.

By you saying Kratos hits his shield, it sounds like you're suggesting that Kratos is getting up close to Dovahiin. If that's the case, then there's nothing stopping Kratos from, not only taking the shield from him, but ripping him in half as well. Not only that, but Kratos isn't going to be standing there and hitting his shield repeatedly, especially since he has other powers at his aid. Kratos survived the force of Atlas, so it's going to take more than that to bring him down.

How long does it take for Dovahkiin to use these spells? While he's blinded, it's possible that Kratos can go up to Dovakiin and attack. You said if the blade scratches Kratos, yes? Well, with Kratos' durability, I don't see that happening. In fact, I don't see Dovahkiin hitting Kratos.

He may not be hypersonic, but he is fast enough to run on a vertical chain; run down Mt. Olympus in a few seconds; look like he's teleporting in short bursts; fill several chalices full of wine in a few seconds (I believe this was in the comic). If I'm not mistaken, Hermes looks like a "blur" when he's moving. How much is his speed increased?

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@5:25: He survived the explosion of Persephone, which was capable of destroying the Pillar of the World (not only a durability feat, but a reaction feat too).

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@8:05: He tanks the volcano eruption, which was powerful enough to destroy (or rather sink) Atlantis.

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Kratos should win.

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Golden Fleece can pretty much redirect everything, no matter the size of it. Kratos has way better durability and it's pretty much a demi-God in terms of physiology. Didnt he defeat a sentient island on a comic as well? Kratos is not only pretty fast, but he has Hermes Boots. He has defeated someone that could go invisible as well.

And what is stopping Kratos from using Helius head to blind Dovakin instantly (speed of light) and then proceed to stomp him in numerous ways: Ripping his soul with Hades' claws, stomp his face with Nemean Cestus or just rip him apart with Blade of Exile. He also has Hermes Boots, is not like he couldnt get close to him pretty fast either (nor that he needs, considering the range of his weapons/magic).

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Kratos stomp. Although with the BoO it'd be a slaughter stomp.

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Dovakhiin without even trying

I killed Alduin at Level 12, took less than a day.

Anyways, God Mode on b!tch using those lightsabers and guns

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Sad that my account Anal_Vomit got banned lol. I made too much joke threads. Worth it.

It's cool to notice one of my old threads being bumped to the front page :D Ty.