Korra (water, fire) vs Toph

Toph, mostly via her spatial awareness (give Korra air and things might be different). Even as a child, Toph was able to detect and block Azula's attempt to stab Sokka via slight of hand.

Giving Korra air in addition to the other elements she has would put the fight too much in Korra's favor, imo

Spatial awareness is nice, but it's not like Korra can't see what's going on

The most important thing about Toph's spatial awareness is that it allows her to see subtle movements (which is why I brought up the feat from "the day of the black sun"). Take into consideration that Korra's typical tactics tend to involve her closing in to her opponents (notably in the final battle against Kuvira). That will be a mistake fighting against Toph.

Why would closing the gap be a mistake against Toph? Korra's not a fighter that relies on stealth or deception (like Azula's attempt to stab Sokka). She doesn't rely on subtle movements that would go unnoticed to regular sight but Toph could sense

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I think you misunderstood me. My point about Toph detecting subtle movements meant that Toph could, in theory, counter many of Korra's frankly ostentatious and flamboyant attacks. Especially if she chooses to close in.

I don't see how that relates. Being able to detect subtle movements doesn't mean you can counter any attack. Obviously Toph could react to Korra's attacks, just like Korra could react to Toph's attacks.

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Korra can only see what's in front of her. Toph doesn't have that limitation. Sure, Toph isn't perfect, but without air it's an uphill battle for Korra. Sure, if Korra kept her distance and focused on long range attacks, she "could" even the odds. But that isn't her typical tactic. Especially in one on one fights.

With her waterbending she's more likely to stay mid range, and when she's going up against a bender like Toph, who's also a mid range fighter. She gets up to close range with fighters like the Lieutenant or Kuvira because they also fight at closer range.

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If you're within Toph's radius, she can attack from behind or beside her opponent. Arguably mid range would be within her field of "view". Unless I'm mistaken, the only time Korra used water in a one on one fight was against Unalaq. During this time she pulled him off a water spout (intending to draw him closer).

Toph can attack at different angles from mid range too, I don't think getting close range offers her any particular advantage.

She's used it other times too, like against Desna and Eska (ok thats 2 on 1, but close enough) to create distance.

Toph can attack and "see" from multiple angles. Korra can only attack what she sees in front of her.

Korra's best chance will be to create distance and then overwhelm Toph with her raw power.

Considering Toph and Korra will be in front of each other the majority of the fight I don't see how that's an issue

Agreed, Toph and Korra are "physically" are facing each other.

The difference between them is Toph isn't limited to physical sight. As long as Korra is within Toph's "field of view" (and both of them are touching the ground) Toph is able to "see" Korra from every angle and is not limited to a direct (frontal) attack. Korra isn't physically limited to a frontal attack either, but she relies on her eyes more. Even as "the blind bandit" (Toph without her Avatar journey experience) Toph's success came mostly from attacking people in their "blind spots".

Korra can do a water spout, ice slide or the fire flight to stay airborne. However there are two issues with that.

1. Toph (including all of her childhood experience during/post Avatar) has experience with airborne opponents and attacks.

2. Korra doesn't usually start off with those moves. In character, Korra will try to out speed Toph rather than outsmart her. This is assuming Korra knows she's fighting Toph in the first place. If Korra thinks she's just fighting a young cranky Earthbender girl, she's not gonna last.

Toph has some experience with them, doesn't mean it's not something Korra could or would exploit

Korra knows who Toph is, it wouldn't be a stretch for her to figure out she's fighting a young Toph

Wanted to have this posted somewhere

@llehdevil said:

@arcus said:

Cool, you can copy from a wiki

I'm savage

Bump

Backing Toph.

Korra getting thrashed by Kuvira with all the elements helps my decision (I understand the context, it's just something to consider even still).

@speedster101: She couldn't use water her best element then. And it was a very cqc fight so she couldn't make use of her evasiveness or agility.

In the first fight she was still recovering and in pretty poor condition (better than when she had the poison in, sure, but still)

@llehdevil: true and solid points, I'm aware of he circumstances as mentioned before, I just used that as one point.

Gonna take Toph here. She's deadly when not holding back and is completely linked in with her element

They're both in character for this

Korra is also deadly when not holding back

Bump

Waterbendning only Korra would give Toph a very good fight if they are both on top form. Adding fire, her second best element after water is a little overkill imo. With fire bending Korra has the agility to give Toph a really hard time, and she has the power in water bendning to take her out. Korras flash freeze in the series finale is more impressive than anything ive seen from Toph. Toph hasn't really beaten any named bender in a fight either, a non bending Azula made her look like a chump. She has some very bad showings against agile opponents and Korra is pretty agile.

While Toph might not be be limitless we only see her struggle in two types of scenarios really. When she doesn't have solid earth under her and against airbenders and while Korra can airbend she neither moves or fights like and airbender. She fights like a firebender who can bend all the elements. Korra doesn't "float" while fighting the way Aang does and that will be her downfall. Toph 9/10

We also only see her mainly fighting other earthbenders, her specialty

True but she fights and defeats almost all her opponents is very similar fashion

Bump

Give Korra all 4 elements and Toph still wins.

Korra, she can just get up on a spout and spam fireblasts like she did against Esna and Deska or against Unalaq.

Korra solos with waterbending.

With the way Korra specifically fights, depending on the location Toph could still beat her.

Toph.

Korra wins. Toph has never faced anyone serious. She even got caughtt by Dai lee. Toph only faced fodders and poison Korra doesn't count. Korra could beat Toph with air and Korra light on her feet as well but she may not be better than Aang in air but she still powerful air bender able create massive air blast and ride tornadoes at full speed while using offense and defense. But if you put Korra against Toph in earth bending match than yeah Toph wins 100%.

Korra in a hard fight.

Water spout + fire blasts GG.

Toph is more skilled more skilled and comparable power wise, but I hesitate to give it to her because of water. Only time she faced water was when katara made that wave at her when they got into an argument, and she did not even try to move out of the way. This might suggest she has difficulty "seeing" it. Even so Toph 7/10, but I could be swayed.

Think people forget how powerful Toph actually is.

Toph.

Korra is way to aggressive to go against Toph.

Korra, but Toph makes it close.

@thebluedragon20:

Katara used a very specialised technique there. She didn't even leave drops on the wave's path, it was incredibly clean. Plus, they weren't trying to hurt each other, it wasn't w combat mindset.

We've seen Toph defending against waterbending from Katara herself in the Lost Scrolls comics.

@ANTHP2000 Ah Thanks for clearing that up, with no trouble with water, Id say toph takes it comfortably.

@arcus1: Gets Toph any metal for this?

@djudgment: People are also forgetting how powerful Korra is too.Korra is the avatar and as Kyoshi has said the avatar is a god in their world with all the power. In this fight Korra has her best elements water and fire. She a prodigy and been bending before she was discovered to be the avatar at age 4. What Toph going do when Korra starts flying with rockets shooting powerful fire balls that are explosive or shoot massive waves of fire at her. Korra can even do flash freeze against Toph. Toph doesn't do well. The only way I see Toph defeating Korra in earth bending match between those two but given Korra other elements gives her the win here. Many people are underestimating Korra power as the avatar who mastered all four elements.