Korra (water, fire) vs Toph

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#1 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio
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In this battle, Avatar Korra will test her skills against Toph Beifong, who will win?

For this battle, Korra has water and fire bending only. No Avatar State.

This is Kid Toph, comic feats apply.

Fight takes place in the spirit world by the Tree of Time. Starting distance is 20 feet.

Both are in character. Victory by ko.

Who wins?

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#3 Posted by Amendment50 (15844 posts) - - Show Bio

Toph.

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#5 Posted by xXxcarzellxXx (3918 posts) - - Show Bio

Giant wave then flash freeze

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#6 Posted by Straight-Fire (27411 posts) - - Show Bio

Korra due to versatility.

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#7 Edited by GothamCiti (2890 posts) - - Show Bio

Toph due to her high defense and Korra being a grounded fighter.

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#8 Edited by Xenology (58 posts) - - Show Bio

Toph

Korra doesn't carry water on her and Toph has beaten tons of fire benders, also there's no avatar state and how is Toph in the spirit world? I thought only the Avatar and dead could go there.

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#10 Posted by Amendment50 (15844 posts) - - Show Bio

@xenology said:

how is Toph in the spirit world? I thought only the Avatar and dead could go there.

Uh did you not watch LoK?

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#11 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

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Toph

Korra doesn't carry water on her and Toph has beaten tons of fire benders, also there's no avatar state and how is Toph in the spirit world? I thought only the Avatar and dead could go there.

It can be entered physically, according to LOK book 2

There's water in this environment, and Toph's never beaten tons of fire benders

Giant wave then flash freeze

There's not really enough water gathered together in this environment for that to be very effective, plus in character Korra's not gonna lead with that

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Guys I decided to check out the LOK video game on Youtube as a source for more gifs

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#13 Edited by Xenology (58 posts) - - Show Bio

@arcus:

All he said was they're in the spirit world, he never specifically stated where, for all we know, they're in a forest nowhere near water. Toph can make a shield of rock around her as armor, can turn sand to stone to use, she can literally control the battlefield to her liking. Also, she can tell what a benders going to do by vibrations in the earth, she could literally cause the earth to swallow Kora and bury her.

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#14 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

@xenology:

I'm the guy who made this thread, I know what I put

The Tree of Time is a specific place

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#15 Posted by justicethorpsylocke (3077 posts) - - Show Bio

Going with Toph. Her environmental manipulation is strong enough to beat Korra in a good fight. Korra with water would only win here if it was near an actual body of water

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#17 Posted by ebonhawk (316 posts) - - Show Bio

Korra could pull off a win, she's got the edge in versatility and agility.

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#18 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

Going with Toph. Her environmental manipulation is strong enough to beat Korra in a good fight. Korra with water would only win here if it was near an actual body of water

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Korra could pull off a win, she's got the edge in versatility and agility.

Nice to see some differences

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#19 Posted by LlehDevil (7259 posts) - - Show Bio

Toph, no particular reasons.

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#20 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

Toph, no particular reasons.

that's no fun... :)

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#21 Posted by Cpt_FacePuncher (1137 posts) - - Show Bio

Toph has fought against/trained with Aang multiple times and held her own relatively well in the later fights. Aang was far more versatile and agile than Korra is, and those are her only two advantages in this fight. This won't be anything new to Toph, who has the skill, raw power, cleverness and X-factor (her blindness/earth sight thingy) to overwhelm a handicapped Korra.

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#22 Posted by LlehDevil (7259 posts) - - Show Bio

@arcus: She has a splendid defense. She landed a hit on in-flight Aang which I think give's her security for a win. Also, in-character make's no sense for her here.

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#23 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

Toph has fought against/trained with Aang multiple times and held her own relatively well in the later fights. Aang was far more versatile and agile than Korra is, and those are her only two advantages in this fight. This won't be anything new to Toph, who has the skill, raw power, cleverness and X-factor (her blindness/earth sight thingy) to overwhelm a handicapped Korra.

Toph only ever had 2 fights with Aang, and he didn't want to fight her in either of them

@arcus: She has a splendid defense. She landed a hit on in-flight Aang which I think give's her security for a win. Also, in-character make's no sense for her here.

Why doesn't in character make sense?

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#24 Posted by LlehDevil (7259 posts) - - Show Bio

@arcus: She either finds someone an enemy or doesn't. It's reeeally straight forward with Toph. That's why she even struck at Book 3 Zuko when he was sneaking up on her.

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@arcus said:
@cpt_facepuncher said:

Toph has fought against/trained with Aang multiple times and held her own relatively well in the later fights. Aang was far more versatile and agile than Korra is, and those are her only two advantages in this fight. This won't be anything new to Toph, who has the skill, raw power, cleverness and X-factor (her blindness/earth sight thingy) to overwhelm a handicapped Korra.

Toph only ever had 2 fights with Aang, and he didn't want to fight her in either of them

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I meant this clip in particular. It suggests that they were training Aang regularly before he had to fight Ozai.

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#26 Posted by Silverrings (5452 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not sure, but i'm leaning towards Korra for the obvious reasons of versatility and experience.

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#27 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

@arcus said:
@cpt_facepuncher said:

Toph has fought against/trained with Aang multiple times and held her own relatively well in the later fights. Aang was far more versatile and agile than Korra is, and those are her only two advantages in this fight. This won't be anything new to Toph, who has the skill, raw power, cleverness and X-factor (her blindness/earth sight thingy) to overwhelm a handicapped Korra.

Toph only ever had 2 fights with Aang, and he didn't want to fight her in either of them

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I meant this clip in particular. It suggests that they were training Aang regularly before he had to fight Ozai.

Yeah, training isn't the same as actually fighting

@arcus: She either finds someone an enemy or doesn't. It's reeeally straight forward with Toph. That's why she even struck at Book 3 Zuko when he was sneaking up on her.

Technically she was the one who surprised Zuko, but I see your point

I'm not sure, but i'm leaning towards Korra for the obvious reasons of versatility and experience.

Glad it's a close one

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#28 Posted by Xenology (58 posts) - - Show Bio

@silverrings:

What's she going to do when Toph changes the environment to her favor, taking away her versatility and being more agile though?

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#29 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

@xenology said:

@silverrings:

What's she going to do when Toph changes the environment to her favor, taking away her versatility and being more agile though?

How's Toph going to change the environment?

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#30 Posted by john_doe_0897 (3386 posts) - - Show Bio

Toph wins for me. She's too powerful and connected to her element. She invented metal bending and her seismic sense is crazy. She had the strength to hold up a sinking castle for a little while on her own. She can take korra

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#31 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

Toph wins for me. She's too powerful and connected to her element. She invented metal bending and her seismic sense is crazy. She had the strength to hold up a sinking castle for a little while on her own. She can take korra

Korra's quite powerful too.

Holding up the library was nice, but it's not like she was keeping the library from a free fall or anything. It was sinking pretty slowly, and she made it a bit slower

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#32 Posted by deactivated-5967bf6197d40 (2560 posts) - - Show Bio

Toph stomp. Korra can't come close to competing with seismic sense

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#33 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

Toph stomp. Korra can't come close to competing with seismic sense

Why not?

Seismic sense is overrated. It's good for 360 awareness and stuff like that, but it's not some amazing move reading ability with precog or anything like that

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#34 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio
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So in the game Korra can use Tarrlok's water sphere/ice needle combo. We've already seen it's not very effective against earthbending, but still pretty cool

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#36 Posted by juiceboks (25094 posts) - - Show Bio

That moment when you realize one of the most overrated benders in ATLA has never beaten an established bender.

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#37 Edited by deactivated-5967bf6197d40 (2560 posts) - - Show Bio

@arcus said:
@nicksmi56 said:

Toph stomp. Korra can't come close to competing with seismic sense

Why not?

Seismic sense is overrated. It's good for 360 awareness and stuff like that, but it's not some amazing move reading ability with precog or anything like that

It does seem to have a degree of precog. Both in the Boulder fight and against Korra herself, Toph was able to know what was coming before it happened. Also, old Toph was able to kick the crap out of Korra. Young Toph should have no trouble whatsoever, especially with how sloppily Korra fights

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#38 Posted by Koays (11765 posts) - - Show Bio

Toph....she's got huge defense and range. She launches a rock tower or two to block and the stomps the ground to send Korra flying. It might be difficult but i feel that edge out paces Korra's AoE.

Also are we using characters comic feats as the norm now or what?

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#39 Posted by Emperor97 (159 posts) - - Show Bio

@juiceboks: neither has ozai, iroh, Bolin, Bumi, Lin, pakku, zuko, and jeong jeong. But based off feats all of the above are some of the strongest benders in the show. A couple of the above are considered one of the best benders in their element, like toph. It doesn't matter who toph beat because she has the feats to destroy most of the benders in both shows.

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#40 Posted by EliteMan737 (2917 posts) - - Show Bio

Korra wins

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#41 Posted by EliteMan737 (2917 posts) - - Show Bio

@arcus: what is the name of that game?

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#42 Posted by xXxcarzellxXx (3918 posts) - - Show Bio

@arcus: as korra stated to kuvira were both fierce and determined to get what we want . If korra wants toph down shell take toph down . Korra is durable enough to take tophs blows the same can't be said for toph . Cosmic spirit beam >>>> anything toph puts out

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#43 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: eh, it should probably be the norm, but idk @nicksmi56: she could sense how the Boulder was moving. It's not that unique, someone with sight can see how an opponent is moving to attack too. Old Toph fought a Korra who was still poisoned. That fight's not an indicator of how this fight will go @eliteman737: not completely sure right off hand @juiceboks: rustling jimmies

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#44 Edited by ZUKOLICIOUS (104 posts) - - Show Bio

i say toph, i would give an explanation but everybody already made valid points that are pretty much what i was gonna say anyway.

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#45 Posted by Xenology (58 posts) - - Show Bio

@arcus:

She controls earth, the very thing they're fighting on, her imagination with what she can do with it is her only limitation.

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#46 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

@xenology:

Except her imagination isn't her only limit. She's limited by her skills. By your logic an eartthbender would win any fight, but that's not the case

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#47 Posted by Xenology (58 posts) - - Show Bio

@arcus:

Toph is very skilled, she held up a massive tower falling into sand for a while, compared to her size, by herself, as well as turning sand to stone, that's impressive. She was able to bend metal, by the time Aang was fighting Ozai, she could effortlessly make a metal armour. IIRC Bumi said she's more powerful than even he is. Toph is a master earthbender, she could, do just about anything she wants with the earth.

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#48 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

@xenology:

And all that's great, doesn't mean she can do anything

Bumi never said she was better

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#49 Posted by Xenology (58 posts) - - Show Bio

@arcus:

What do you mean, those are feats, she can literally change the battlefield on a whim, to something.that suits her. She's also going to crush Korra, simply by swallowing her with the earth and then closing it in on her.

Also, this is some facts on Bumi compared to Toph.

Bumi claimed to be the most powerful earthbender ever, which Toph Beifong also claimed. She possessed a seismic sense that gave her a deeper connection to the earth than most earthbenders and allowed her to perceive nearly everything around her and the then-unique metalbending; feats Bumi never exhibited. However, Bumi was at least perceptive to his surroundings, able to launch several Fire Nation soldiers from behind without looking. Also, Bumi could earthbend without having physical contact with the earth unlike Toph.

So while I was wrong in that respect, Toph is relative to Bumi, both are extremely powerful benders.

Here's some abilities earthbenders can do. 95% Toph can use against Korea

[Spoiler]Earth and stone levitation: The most common attack involves levitating nearby pieces of earth and stone of numerous sizes (more powerful benders can move larger masses) and propelling them at foes with punching or kicking motions.

Earth block: Earthbenders can bring up blocks of earth and launch them at their enemies. The Dai Li used this technique against Team Avatar during the Day of Black Sun.

Earth column: A more powerful version of rock projectiles, involving forcing columns of rock out of the ground. Using a similar principle, an earthbender can shoot a stream of small ruts and protrusions from underground at their opponent. This can also be used to enhance the benders' jumps. It is, however, limited to the ground and does not have the same range as a rock projectile.

Haru and Tyro compressing coal.

Earth compression: It is possible for earthbenders to compress large chunks of rock into smaller, denser chunks, or to compress several smaller chunks into one big piece of rock. Haru and his father, Tyro, used this technique, compressing several small pieces of coal into one big coal boulder. The fact that two earthbenders were required to perform it suggests that this technique is quite difficult.

Earth gauntlet: A much less advanced version of earth armor that can be used to throw back opponents with hard solid force. Aang used this technique when fighting against Azula on the drill. The technique is useful in that it grants some level of the protection of earth armor but allows the rest of the body to remain flexible.

Earth hand/mannequin: An earthbender with a decent grasp of sculpting can craft replicas of human appendages or bodies from any rock source and move them from place to place. While playing King of the Hill, Toph made a large hand to grab and toss Aang to the side. When Toph was pretending to be Fire Lord Ozai as part of a training exercise, she used this technique to simulate the Fire Lord's bodyguards.

Earth launch: While earthbenders like being rooted to the ground, with some like Toph being unable to see in the air, they can quickly move rock beneath them and launch them several tens of feet into the air, whether to catch airborne opponents or to travel faster. Toph and Bumi did this during the battle at Wulong Forest and the liberation of Ba Sing Se, respectively. Bolin has shown to be able to launch himself into the air with Earthbending, as was seen when he escaped the Earth Queen's palace.

Earth line: As an offensive attack, earthbenders can create a line of twisted columns and propel it forward.

Earth material manipulation: Earthbending is not limited to rock or soil alone. An earthbender can also manipulate coal, gems, crystals, and other earth-based materials, like meteorites and jennamite.

Earth shelter: This can be used by earthbenders to create a shelter or dome which can provide an instant shelter in the wilderness. Toph often created shelters like these to sleep in while the Team Avatar was traveling and used it to create a safe place where a pregnant woman could give birth. It can also be used to trap enemies, but this application would not work against an earthbending opponent, who would be able to cancel out the technique.

Earth sinking: More advanced earthbenders, such as The Boulder, Master Yu, and General Fong, can forcibly sink their opponents into the ground, imprisoning them or even suffocating them in earth. This technique was used by General Fong to subdue Katara.

Earth smash: Earthbenders can easily destroy rocks and boulders with punches and kicks, even if they have a small amount of muscle mass. This technique is useful when facing other earthbenders, as it allows the earthbender to destroy any earthen projectiles sent at them and break out of imprisoning techniques. However, it does not seem to affect objects not made of earth.

Earth wall: Earthbenders can create walls of earth, which can be used for both defense and offense, as well as for practical things, like construction.

Earthquakes/fissures: Striking the ground with feet, fists, or hammers, as shown by Gow, creates localized earthquakes or fissures to throw opponents off-balance. This same process can be used to sculpt a landmass or to slice large chunks of rock clean off a surface to create avalanches or rockfalls. More advanced earthbenders can make narrow fissures for precise attacks.

Quicksand: Earthbenders turn certain surfaces to quicksand to immobilize an enemy,:or to create a soft landing for themselves should they fall from a height. Sandbenders can also do the reverse of this, compacting sand together to create harder projectiles or a firmer grip on the ground.

Rock hanging: If an earthbender is attached to, or wearing a piece of rock, he or she can attach to other stone surfaces and remain off the ground for long periods of time. The Dai Li are the only ones that have demonstrated this ability through the use of their earth gloves, giving them the ability to cling onto a rocky surface.

Rock shield: A levitated slab of rock can also double as a shield when positioned in front of a bender. This can also be performed with a slab or sheet of bedrock thrust out of the earth's surface. The shield can be hurled at the opponent for quick retaliation.

Rock slide: If an earthbender is near a cliff or mountain, he or she can cause many rocks of a multitude of sizes to rain down on his or her opponent. The canyon guide demonstrated that it would be possible to redirect the path of a rock slide. This was shown when he protected his refugee customers from getting crushed.

Sand spout: Similar to both the water and the air spout, an earthbender can manipulate the fine sand particulates to form a whirling column. The sandbenders used this technique to propel their sand-sailers through the Si Wong Desert.

Slab shackles: With proper timing, an earthbender can bind an opponent's arms with triangle shaped slabs. This technique is generally used if the opponent is in a vulnerable position, for example on their knees. This technique was first used by Aang against Ozai to keep him in place while Aang took his bending away. It was later used by Aang to detain Yakone while he removed his bending.

Water filtering: When working in concert with a waterbender, an earthbender can purify polluted water. The waterbender suspends the polluted water in the air, while the earthbender removes the pollutants.

Earthbending master level:

Dust cloud: By shaking the ground back and forth, earthbenders can create dust clouds of various sizes to provide cover, the particles of which can also be manipulated themselves.

Earth armor: Earthbenders can bring rocks, dust, pebbles, or crystals around them and mold them to fit their body and create something similar to armor. They can also hide inside the earth by bending the rock around them as a shell. Later, it is demonstrated by Toph that metal can be used as armor as well. The earth armor was used by Toph in a training exercise with Aang. Aang later uses this technique with crystals against Azula, and again with rocks against Combustion Man[24] and finally Ozai. This earthbending move is great for defense, especially against fire. It is not as effective for offensive moves, since it limits the practitioner's range of motion.

Earth bomb: By sending a rock toward the ground, earthbenders can cause massive damage as well as throw their opponents off their feet. Aang used it against Zuko, almost gaining the upper hand of the battle before the Dai Li intervened.

Earth tunneling: Earthbenders can move through the earth to out-maneuver their foes either by opening tunnels or by pulling the earth past them, literally swimming through the ground.

Earth wave.

Earth wave: High level earthbenders can create a wave of earth to ride on and use it as a form of transportation, as Aang and Toph have both done, as well as Roku and Sud while training. The downsides of the wave are that it takes a lot of energy to produce, as well as intense concentration; the slightest distraction could cause the user to lose control of the wave. They can also force a wave of earth outward and use it as an extremely powerful offensive attack, as both Aang and General Fong were seen doing during their battle.

Magnetization: Skilled earthbenders are capable of magnetizing their limbs to any type of stone, making wall-scaling simpler in the appropriate circumstances. The Dai Li agents could perform this move with ease and even stay upside down, such as when Team Avatar broke into the organization's secret headquarters in Lake Laogai.

Remote earthbending: If an earthbender is suspended from the ground, but is aware that there is earth somewhere near, the earthbender can focus his energies and bend that earth out of his physical reach out of sheer concentration. This was shown in a flashback when Bumi told Team Avatar, sans Aang, how he freed himself during the eclipse. Bumi managed to summon some roof tiles and pieces of walls to rip open the front of his metal coffin. Aang also uses this technique to summon rocks for his Elemental Sphere while in the Avatar State.

Special techniques:

Ghazan bent the inner wall of Ba Sing Se to lava, bringing it down as a result.

Lavabending: Certain powerful earthbenders are able to change the phase of the earth they are manipulating, melting it into lava for more versatility in battle, similar to what waterbenders do with ice. A bender using this ability can form the lava into different weapons or summon magma from the ground. Ghazan and Bolin are the only known non-Avatar earthbenders to have demonstrated this technique.

Metalbending: Metalbending is a sub-skill of earthbending developed by Toph. Most earthbenders are unable to affect processed metals. Usually, the trace amount of earth still present in metal is so minuscule that it goes undetected even by the best earthbenders, lending to its use in detaining earthbenders. However, due to her ability to "see" earth, Toph was able to locate the small fragments of earth in metal, target them, and utilize them to "bend" the metal portion. In the beginning, she was not able to bend metal with the same ability or ease seen in normal earthbending. Eventually, her skill with metalbending developed to the point where she could effectively defeat comet-enhanced firebenders during the battle at Wulong Forest with the technique. After the conclusion of the Hundred Year War, Toph founded a metalbending academy to teach the newly acquired skill to other earthbenders, and the technique eventually became the primary weapon of the Metalbending Police Force in Republic City. As metalbending techniques were further refined, benders eventually learned how to manipulate metal without being in close contact with it, and amateur metalbending students were able to apply this skill to small objects such as coins and canes.

Mudbending: It has been demonstrated that earthbenders are also able to bend the earth in mud. Toph, aided by Katara, was able to push the slurry from the rear of the Fire Nation drill back into the machine, and the technique was also used by the two girls when they ended up fighting while they were training Aang. Toph also used this ability while training Korra in the swamp.

Rock gloves: The Dai Li have mastered the rock glove technique. Similar to an earth gauntlet, they cover their hands in small rocks and project them at a target as small projectiles or compacted fists to bludgeon an opponent. A more refined and favored method however is to use them as detachable hands, maintaining the hand shape and literally grabbing and restraining the opponent from a distance.

Rock shoes: The Dai Li also used shoes made out of earth to slide to travel faster and to cling to walls and suspend themselves on the ceiling, as Long Feng and the Dai Li used in Lake Laogai during their fight with Team Avatar and the reformed Freedom Fighters.

Sandbending: Sandbending is an alternate earthbending style that has been adapted for use in the Si Wong Desert by the people that live there. They move quickly in the desert on specialized wooden sailers that are propelled by bending miniature, localized sandstorms behind their sails. Because sand is sediment which travels in flows, their style resembles air and waterbending more than earthbending. It is implied that most, if not all, earthbenders are capable of easily bending sand, but because of the loose shifty nature of sand it is not an easy transition for the average earthbender. The sandbenders of the desert are especially proficient with it due to their particular habitat. After the events at Si Wong Desert, Toph practiced her sandbending, achieving a mastery over it that allowed her to create an extremely detailed miniature sand version of Ba Sing Se. Likewise, one can compact the sand to be solid and thick.

Seismic sense: A technique originally developed by the blind badgermoles, skilled earthbenders are able to sense vibrations through the ground, "seeing" by sensing their surroundings and making a mental image of it. It allows for a 360 degree field of "vision", outside of normal line-of-sight. To operate, the user needs direct contact with the ground, preferably without something like shoes in between. The technique is only usable on surfaces the user can bend. Being blind, Toph constantly used this technique to navigate the world; she described it as "kind of like seeing with [her] feet". During his training with Toph, Aang also developed this ability. Aang used this during a three-way training spar with Toph and Katara, and again during his fight against Ozai. Due to Toph's extensive use of the technique, she discovered other applications of it. Her seismic sense was so acute that she was capable of sensing even ants moving about, could identify people by the way they walked, and could almost always tell if someone was lying by sensing his or her physical reactions, such as breathing and heart rate. It was also the basis of her unique ability of metalbending. Toph also passed this technique to her daughters, Lin and Suyin.[/Spoiler]

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#50 Posted by Arcus1 (27817 posts) - - Show Bio

@xenology:

Cool, you can copy from a wiki

Toph is not limitless