Korra vs Firelord Ozai

@hammer_of_j2: even so, Korra will be much better equipped to deal with Ozai's attacks and make use of Sozin's Comet, with her other elements to help make up for the gap in skill. Again, it might not be enough, but she's more likely to win than Aang

@hammer_of_j2:

Ozai was a much, much, MUCH better firebender than Aang but Aang was still able to block some of Ozai's fire blasts with his own fire. And Aang was still a novice in firebending with very little practice under his belt.

Meanwhile Korra is a master tier firebender with some extremely impressive feats of raw firebending power, as well as skill and precision in using her firebending and martial arts skills in unison. Korra is a better firebender than Aang by a substantial degree. So if Aang can make use of his novice firebending against Ozai shouldn't Korra be able to make much better use out of her master level firebending?

As has been pointed out Korra's firebending also gives her flight, something Aang didn't have without the avatar state. He could only jump great distances with airbending.

aang needed avatar state to definitively put ozai down, though he did have the upper hand with lightning redirection and surprise attacks (which korra has neither of). ozai should win this

Lightning is not unavoidable. It has been dodge countless times. Aang was able to dodge Ozai's lightning attacks in quick secession, by jumping around. Korra has flight and will be able to move at incredible speeds, which should allow her to dodge.

@metaljimmor: Aang was on the rope s almost the whole fight until he went into his avatar state even though he was blocking Ozai's attacks. Korra's won't be able to do much to Ozai with her fire bending therefore she'll have to use other elements and will be on the defensive most of the fight
@arcus: Korra's firebending will come in handy on the defensive without a doubt but she willl most likely try to stay on the offensive witch wouldn't work out for her

@hammer_of_j2: so you think she won't defend if Ozai attacks her? Permanently staying defensive wouldn't work either, you can't win a fight just by being defensive

Aang's fire blasts were capable of blocking Ozai's, and Aang was practically a novice, and pale sin comparison.

I might have made a mistake in saying, but she definitely willl defend. And I know staying on the defensive won't win the battle that's why Ozai wins

@hammer_of_j2:

Korra is not Aang. Well, she is. But different incarnations with different abilities. In this case Korra is the incarnation that has firebending that is much greater than Aang's. Aang wasn't able to capitalize on the comet's amp the way Ozai could so he was forced on the defensive. Korra, however, will be using her superior firebending that will be amped by the comet to contend with Ozai's fire while also using the other elements as Aang did.

If Aang's fire could block Ozai's fire then so can Korra's. Only Korra will be pushing with comet enhanced fire offensively while using her fire propulsion to fly so she won't get outmaneuvered by Ozai the way Aang was in their fight. Meanwhile she can continue to use her other elements as needed to give her boosts in speed or better defensive moves, which will alleviate the gap in bending between her and Ozai.

@gxrevolution96: metaljimmor already said that but, yeah

So you're trying to say Fire Lord Ozai wouldn't be able to dodge Korra's attacks?

@hammer_of_j2:

He won't be able to dodge every one of them, no. Not while Korra is capable of the same flight technique he has plus a myriad of other mobility enhancing moves like her water and air spout techniques, airbending enhanced leaps, and earth projecting jumps. Because she has other elements she also has more ways to attack, and can strike from different angles with different moves.

Ozai is also aggressive he wouldn't let her do all of the fighting. She most likely will only be able to attack in between his attacks. Although Korra is aggressive herself so she will will get hers in. The way she can win is if she incorporates the other elements while fighting Ozai. She will most likely try to beat him at his own game which wouldn't work. (I may be wrong about that last sentence)

@gxrevolution96 true, people have avoided lightning. however in aang's fight, he was still unable to avoid that last lightning blast (hence why he had to use lightning redirection). if korra was put in that situation (one where she has to constantly dodge powerful lightning blasts), she would be screwed because eventually she would tire and wouldnt be able to dodge anymore. this is even more likely because she is nowhere near as fast or as agile as aang.

secondly, the only way she could potentially beat ozai is with the avatar state, which she has no access to here. and while we are on that subject, seeing how she needed the avatar state to fight people who were nowhere near ozai levels (like the first dark spirit, desna and eska and unalaq) and still lost to all of them, how would non avatar state korra win?

@knightofzero: Aangs more agile because he is constantly dodging, Korra wouldn't need to be constantly dodging and tiring herself out because she would be on the offensive and have more versatility than Ozai.

We know she can fly with amped firebending even when out of it as what she did during her fight from Zaheer was use only her own skill as the avatar state couldn't draw on the skill of others.

nowhere near ozai levels (like the first dark spirit

That thing was all but immune to normal bending

desna and eska

check again, she was beating them without it and only went into the state against the dark spirit

unalaq

floored him without it

1stly , what version of Korra are we talking about?

Season 1,2 or 3?

2ndly, I seriously doubt Ozai being the best firebender in his time, It was once stated that Iroh could beat him, and even Zuco said he could, but it wasn't his destiny.

3rdly could we all just stop comparing this fight to that of Aang's?

@dextersinister korra will be fucked if she doesnt dodge. those lightning blasts were massive and would likly break through anything she can defend herself with. normal lightning is powerful enough to break through steel, as seen in the video below:

so imagine that amount of power boosted by sozin's comet. really, once ozai breaks out the lightning, she is going to need to dodge to stay alive.

She can fly with firebending, but so can ozai.

she got blitzed by that spirit right away and couldnt hit the thing to save her life.she had to use the avatar state to even attempt to be on that spirit's level. plus you could see that it was taking damage from mako, bolin, and other attacks.

my point was, she needed to use the avatar state to fight them, and yet, she still couldnt take them down. they were basically unharmed after the fight.

but she got floored by unalaq with vatuu in him. And before you say it wasnt a fair fight because he had vatuu in him, that isnt true. They both had access to the avatar state, and unalaq could only use 1 form of bending, and he still kicked korra's ass.

1. I don't know why people are acting like lightening isn't a big deal. Yeah Korra can dodge it, but Ozai can also spam it, if Aang, who is a hell of a lot faster and agile then Korra got hit, then she is going to get hit eventually and at that point she is dead.

2. Everyone says she will do better than Aang because she will attack head on. That is a terrible idea as she would be quickly overpowered. Korra is a better fire bender than Aang but she sure as hell isn't as good a firebender as Ozai and her other bending is not going to close the gap under Sozin's comet. Her airbending and earthbending are not nearly as good as Aangs and Ozai was blowing through those with no issue, her waterbending is not enough to make up for the gap here.

@knightofzero

If korra was put in that situation (one where she has to constantly dodge powerful lightning blasts), she would be screwed because eventually she would tire and wouldnt be able to dodge anymore.

What makes you think she would get tired? Flying would certainly be less physically taxing than constantly jumping around, dodging attacks. Korra does not really have to do much to maintain the propulsion. With flames beneath her feet propelling her, levees her hands completely free to concentrate her attacks.

Secondly, the only way she could potentially beat ozai is with the avatar state,What makes you say that?\seeing how she needed the avatar state to fight people who were nowhere near ozai levels (like the first dark spirit, desna and eska and unalaq) and still lost to all of them, how would non avatar state korra win?

That Dark Spirit was clearly more powerful than Ozai, seeing as how AS amped fire blasts were having no effect on it whatsoever. The same AS fire blast that easily incinerated the whole of Vaatu’s upper body/head with ease. Vaatu, the lord of darkness>>>>Fodder Dark Spirit. Korra losing to that particular Dark Spirit was just pure PIS, and was a mere plot device for Unalaq to come in and demonstrate his spirit powers.

she had to use the avatar state to even attempt to be on that spirit's level. plus you could see that it was taking damage from mako, bolin, and other attacks.

Korra did not “need” the avatar state to fight Eska and Desna. The fight was inconclusive, but Korra evidently had the clear upper hand before the Dark Spirit showed up

korra will be fucked if she doesnt dodge.

Korra can fly. What makes you think that dodging would be a problem for her. Aang was dodging Ozai’s lightning by jumping around and leaping.

Korra can fly in this scenario. Alternatively, Korra could just block Ozai’s lightning with earth bending. Ozai’s lightning was unable to penetrate Aang's Earth’s earth defences.

@man_of_miracles

I don't know why people are acting like lightening isn't a big deal. Yeah Korra can dodge it, but Ozai can also spam it

Ozai's lightning generation is not as fast as some seem to think. Watch his lightning in this gif.

^While it is relatively fast, Ozai can't just spam lightning in mid flight. He has to slow down and stop his propulsion to generate it as shown in the gifs. This leaves him wipe open to attack. Aang was just too defensive to exploit such an open. Korra, who will probably be on the offensive, could capitalise on these openings

^Again, notice how Ozai has to land on a pillar to get go a lightning attack

if Aang, who is a hell of a lot faster and agile then Korra got hit, then she is going to get hit eventually and at that point she is dead.

Except that unlike Aang, Korra can fly. She can dodge it. Ozai has more of chance beating her by spamming fire than he does spamming lightning.

Ozai was blowing through those with no issue,

Was he though? Aang blocked Ozai's fire blasts with any ill effects, on mulpule occasions

@knightofzero

You do raise some good points. I'd like to point out one thing. Korra's avatar state is is not weaker. The past lives only provided knowledge, not power. The power comes from Raava. When Raava was destroyed, Korra lost the past lives' knowledge, but not the power in the AS. Wan demnstarted incredible power in the AS and he did not have any past lives.

Additionally, the creators confirmed at the Korra panel that Korra's AS did not get weaker...

"According to Mike and Bryan, Korra’s lost connection to the past avatars is like “rebooting your hard drive.” When a fan asked whether it impacted the power/strength of the Avatar state, they affirmed that was definitely not the case—she’s still Korra and Korra’s “got some moves.” They joked she may even actually be stronger. (I think we all know she is. ;) )”

http://neeneen7.tumblr.com/page/2

@gxrevolution96 thats odd that they would say that, especially since korra has never done anything impressive in the avatar state. even more so when roku describes the avatar state as gaining the knowledge and power of all the past lives. but whatever

@gxrevolution96 said:

@knightofzero

If korra was put in that situation (one where she has to constantly dodge powerful lightning blasts), she would be screwed because eventually she would tire and wouldnt be able to dodge anymore.

What makes you think she would get tired? Flying would certainly be less physically taxing than constantly jumping around, dodging attacks. Korra does not really have to do much to maintain the propulsion. With flames beneath her feet propelling her, levees her hands completely free to concentrate her attacks.

Secondly, the only way she could potentially beat ozai is with the avatar state,What makes you say that?\seeing how she needed the avatar state to fight people who were nowhere near ozai levels (like the first dark spirit, desna and eska and unalaq) and still lost to all of them, how would non avatar state korra win?

That Dark Spirit was clearly more powerful than Ozai, seeing as how AS amped fire blasts were having no effect on it whatsoever. The same AS fire blast that easily incinerated the whole of Vaatu’s upper body/head with ease. Vaatu, the lord of darkness>>>>Fodder Dark Spirit. Korra losing to that particular Dark Spirit was just pure PIS, and was a mere plot device for Unalaq to come in and demonstrate his spirit powers.

she had to use the avatar state to even attempt to be on that spirit's level. plus you could see that it was taking damage from mako, bolin, and other attacks.

Korra did not “need” the avatar state to fight Eska and Desna. The fight was inconclusive, but Korra evidently had the clear upper hand before the Dark Spirit showed up

korra will be fucked if she doesnt dodge.

Korra can fly. What makes you think that dodging would be a problem for her. Aang was dodging Ozai’s lightning by jumping around and leaping.

Korra can fly in this scenario. Alternatively, Korra could just block Ozai’s lightning with earth bending. Ozai’s lightning was unable to penetrate Aang's Earth’s earth defences.

@man_of_miracles

I don't know why people are acting like lightening isn't a big deal. Yeah Korra can dodge it, but Ozai can also spam it

Ozai's lightning generation is not as fast as some seem to think. Watch his lightning in this gif.

^While it is relatively fast, Ozai can't just spam lightning in mid flight. He has to slow down and stop his propulsion to generate it as shown in the gifs. This leaves him wipe open to attack. Aang was just too defensive to exploit such an open. Korra, who will probably be on the offensive, could capitalise on these openings

^Again, notice how Ozai has to land on a pillar to get go a lightning attack

if Aang, who is a hell of a lot faster and agile then Korra got hit, then she is going to get hit eventually and at that point she is dead.

Except that unlike Aang, Korra can fly. She can dodge it. Ozai has more of chance beating her by spamming fire than he does spamming lightning.

Ozai was blowing through those with no issue,

Was he though? Aang blocked Ozai's fire blasts with any ill effects, on mulpule occasions

1. Has anyone shown Korra flying? Because I don't remember her doing so outside of the Avatar State. And if the implication is that she should be able to that is fallacious as Azula for example was shown to enhance her movement with fire jets pre-Sozin's comet and she could not fly during Sozin's comet.

Regardless she is still no where near as agile as Aang flying or not. Aang was outmaneuvering Ozai's flying and I don't see how Korra would be a better flyer than Ozai.

2. Ozai's lightening make take some lag time but it is freaking huge, she can only dodge or block it for so long as we saw with Aang, and do you think that Ozai is just going to let her attack him when he is generating lightening without countering?

3. Aang was blocking Ozai's blast but multiple times he was clearly having difficulty doing so and it forced him on the defensive which is why he had to resort to the Avatar State. From showings trying to overpower Ozai head on is not going to work, his attacks are far more powerful than anything Korra has done outside of the Avatar State (possibly in it).

Since it's from the time the thread was made, I'm sticking with my original choice.

Yes. Korra can use jet propulsion/Fire jets outside the AS. But like Azula, It is not sustainable can only be used in shorts bursts. Remember, Korra's AS only augments her bending. She no longer gets the skill and knowledge from the past avatars, meaning everything we see her do in the AS is all her. The AS just augments her techniques

his attacks are far more powerful than anything Korra has done outside of the Avatar State (possibly in it).

Not nessasrily. Aang was fully capable of cancelling out Ozai's comet amp flames with his own fire bending. Aang was a novice in the fire bending, and was no where near Korra's level of mastery(at the time). Ozai couldnt even breach Aang's earth sphere at point blank. It too multiple fire blasts until e finally breached it. Additionally, Ozai's flames were put out by normal water bending, which is Korra's element.

Korra has never chosen to not use all four elements against an opponent she considers a threat. Ever. She used all her elements against Unalaq, Zaheer, and Kuvira. There's no reason to think she'd choose to hold back against Ozai.

@metaljimmor: As I said, I may be wrong bout that last sentence

Ozai

Reasons?

It is true that kora's firebending will be improved but since ozai is a firelord means lots of fire experince,will win..moreover kora dont know blood bending .also there were no metal around the fight scene.

Bump. Some impressive feats from Korra in the finale.

It's funny how some of you are degrading Korra and are putting her in a position where she is not even Makos level of fire bending. The first episode, I believe it was Korra who was training for her fire bending, she took out 3 fire benders at once and this was all in season 1 episode 1 where she was not even a fully realised avatar. She was shown to express many feats in her fire bending and even Katara a water bending master had stated that Korra was strong. It was also stated that Korras era of bending is more of a kickboxing style of martial arts giving more heavy attacks such as punches and kick punches enabling more chi to flow through your body with more power.

Now, I'm just going to say this once. Go rewatch ATLAB season 3 and then come back to this thread and read my post because Sosin's comet enhanced every fire benders bending INCLUDING the avatar. It's common sense, every fire benders bending will be increased during the comet and the avatar has fire bending thus it affects him/her too.

I'm just going to sum this all up and say Korra would win this fight with Ozai.

Here is how:

You all know Korra is a metal bender as well as an energy/spirit bender right? Well those 2/3 bendings can give her a big advantage if she wasn't to beat Ozai with the 4 elements or the AS.

We all have iron in our blood and iron is indeed a metal. What if Korra was to strip this metal out of Ozai's body? What if Korra was to feed Ozai Mercury poison just like Zaheer did with Korra? What if Korra was to bend the energy within Ozai like Unalaq was about to do to Ginora with his spirit bending? What if Korra was to quickly suffocate Ozai like Zaheer did with her and the earth queen?

I'm pretty sure there are more ways than 1 for Korra to beat Ozai without the 4 main elements and the AS.

My win would be Korra's metal bending. As you can tell in TLOK, metal bending is incredibly fast and straight to the point so there would be no way in anyone out manoeuvring this. Metal bending, energy bending and spiritual bending is Korra's best bet and her strongest alternative. You all must have forgot to include this in your statements.

Korra learns sand bending in just 1 day prep time and then faces Ozai.

Her and Ozai get settled down on the battlefield but before Ozai can strike a move, Korra gathers her sand, shoots it at Ozai and watches coldly as it plagues Ozai's body from his mouth, ears and nose. As the sand settles in, she then pulls it apart and Ozai's body shreds like paper. Korra leaves Ozai's graveyard (the battlefield) with her fire bending propulsion and sets the whole place on fire with her comet enhanced bending taking only 2 seconds for the fire to spread and leaves.

korra

Korra has nothing to counter Ozai's lightning, she gets killed

korra wins. She is much better fire bender than Aang and is not hindered by morals

Korra

Ozai takes this with ease. He was completely stomping Aang, who easily outclasses Korra in diversity and skill.

Korra gets wrecked by lightning as she has no counter

Imo Korra with just fire and water could take this in a hard fight alone, assuming she has decent water to work with. With all 4 elements she wins comfortably. She was always better than a morals on Aang.

Korra with all 4 elements at her disposal and a decent source of water takes a solid majority. She is not going to hold back like Aang

Er, not sure anymore.

To the folks backing Ozai, ya'll have some 'splaining to do.

Korra extreme-dif, her fire jets should be around Ozai level under the comet, and her firebending raw power is epic. Her other elements can help against lightning and increase mobility further. The main counter for lightning is to shoot a comet-amped fire blast at him when he lands to charge/shoot (Aang lacked the offense and the morals to do this, but Korra should be capable of it). I'm also fairly certain Korra will be going all out and trying to kill him (he's basically trying to compete for "the worst person in the world" award), and the other two times she's faced a threat on this level (Hundun/Unalaq) she's killed them both.

Korra high-diff

She can't redirect lightning like aang however and that might be her downfall

EDIT: Nahhh lol Korra dies

Ozai of course, how should Korra have even any chance?

Korra has no Avatar State, so I don't see how she can get a win. Aang basically needed it to bail himself out, and I think they're comparable enough that Korra wouldn't have an easier time than he did without it.

One can argue that Korra's a more offensively oriented bender than Aang is, but that's a pretty poor tactic against Ozai with Sozin's Comet in effect.