Knightfall Vader vs Darth Caedus

Knightfall Vader

Darth Caedus

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• Legends
• Start 10 feet apart outside destroyed jedi temple
• No prep
• To KO or death
• Both are not hindered

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I'm not an expert in legends, but isn't Darth Caedus supposed to be on the same level as the original Sidious?

Caedus.

Why?

KFV

More skilled, better abilities, etc.

Reasoning?

KFV is better in sabers I think while Caedus is better with the force

Anakin bisects him with a single strike through his block.

How would it be that easy?

@frozen: Because Caedus does not have a single feat to make him competitive at this level.

And no he does not scale to Luke whatsoever

Anakin in a good fight.

Anakin is a better dualist, even if it's by a small Margin, the issue is the force. While I don't see Caedus overpowering Anakin, he does have some pretty obscure and useful abilities that I think Anakin would be hard pressed to deal with.

Caedus 6/10

Caedus. Reacted to a much faster character, shortly dueled with him, has many more powers, and many better powers. Much better force user too. He wins 100 percent

Bump.

Jacen.

This is a super close fight in my opinion. I’d probably side with Jacen as he has a bit more skill and versatility with his powers, but Vader would give him hell

KFV

Gotta be Knightfall Vader

Darth Vader kill him

Caedus stomps the fodder, this Vader is < ROTS Sidious, whom Caedus scales way above.

KFV

@darthadi: Reasoning?

@frozen: Parity with ROTS Sidious.

Caedus' only noteworthy feat is his fight with Luke, but that is heavly circumstancial.

Reasoning?

Anakin wins in a great fight. Caedus is probably as powerful as light side Anakin who is < KF Vader.

@redguard1an: Interesting, this comment claims that scaling doesn't hold up:

And this one:

Caedus > RotJ Vader > ESB Vader > ANH Vader > KFV.

Caedus's own feat against a Luke amped Jaina already places him above KFV anyways though.

Caedus

Bump

KF Vader 1 shots him. Caedus got over-powered by Aurra Sing despite being amped. The notion that he's above any iteration of Vader is just ridiculous.

KFV

@uhu123: @darthadi: Reasoning?

Imo Caedus is one of the most wasted characters in the eu. We never really seen him be written in a battle with him using all his tools. He's either injured before the fight or has some reason not to engage as he had other tasks to attend to so his head isn't really 100% in the battle. The character with the most circumstantial battles.

With that said sabers could go either way. Maybe Anakin with a slight edge, but Caedus has so many more force abilities that could come in handy.

He was proficient in Force lighting, force shock, force speed, Force illusion, Aiing ti Abilities to teleport objects and had fighting sight, and of course shatter point. I don't see the force being a fair battle at all. Anakin was still only 23, while Caedus was in his absolute prime after traveling and learning force abilities from all over.