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Posted by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) 1 month, 6 days ago

Poll: Knight of the Sea Jinbei vs Dartboard Brow Sanji (53 votes)

Sanji wins 47%
Jinbei wins 53%
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Rules

Jinbei is bloodlusted

Sanji is in character but morals off

Current versions of both

Round 2

Fight takes place underwater

Who wins and why?

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#51 Edited by SocaJunkie (7870 posts) - - Show Bio

Jinbei. Reacted to and no sold a Jet Stamp w/o Haki so Sanji's blunt force output isn't good enough especially if Jinbei decides to use Shark Skin for further protection and he won't get blitzed. Additionally Sanji is a far less potent, versatile and powerful pyrokinetic than Ace whom Jinbei stalemated for five days so the heat from Diable Jambe and Hell's Memories aren't factors. He puts Sanji down with his internal water-targeting shockwaves.

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#52 Posted by Bag_ass (173 posts) - - Show Bio

Sanji on land jinbei underwater

This pretty much

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#53 Posted by SkySanji (3455 posts) - - Show Bio
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#54 Posted by kroczilla (1748 posts) - - Show Bio

Sensing a strong bias from the OP tbh. First he uses a joke name for sanji. Then he uses the joke wanted poster.

*sigh* if you aren't gonna treat BOTH CHARACTERS with respect then you have no business making a thread. I can understand believing jinbei wins but this is just pathetic.

On topic; sanji takes this. Jinbei has shown he would have problem against heat based opponent (even oven gave him a hard time). Sanji on top of his heat based ability has easily the best use of COO Haki amongst the straw hats. Combined with his speed and mobility and I have a hard time seeing how jinbei can win.

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#55 Posted by Enemybird (5081 posts) - - Show Bio

Jinbei. Reacted to and no sold a Jet Stamp w/o Haki so Sanji's blunt force output isn't good enough especially if Jinbei decides to use Shark Skin for further protection and he won't get blitzed. Additionally Sanji is a far less potent, versatile and powerful pyrokinetic than Ace whom Jinbei stalemated for five days so the heat from Diable Jambe and Hell's Memories aren't factors. He puts Sanji down with his internal water-targeting shockwaves.

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#56 Posted by kroczilla (1748 posts) - - Show Bio

@socajunkie: had to look up the chapter in question and honestly, not impressed.

Yes jinbei "blocked" a jet stamp without Haki but luffy wasn't using Haki either

https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/629/5

Not to mention there are clearly bruises on his arms when he blocked it clearly showing that it was far from a "tanking"

In further proof, a regular punch to the face from luffy had jinbei bleeding and knocked him down

https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/629/6

https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/629/7

Just want to point out that sanji stood in between and took the brunt of blows from both luffy and jinbei simultaneously and was barely worse off than they were

https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/629/9

As for sanji's pyrotechnic ability, we don't exactly have anything to compare him with ace especially since they have completely different fighting styles (Ace focuses more on large aoe and sanji relies more on potency). It should be noted though that;

A) jinbei fought a younger ace before he even joined the whitebeard crew talkless of becoming an emperor commander

B) Sanji can maintain his heat intensity even several kilometers below sea level. That heat is definitely not something jinbei is gonna scoff at.

As for his blunt damage output, he was able to stalemate daifuku (big moms 3rd son and a minister) not once (whilst distracted)

https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/864/11

But twice (against an even stronger version)

https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/899/14

Jinbei by feats, isn't walking off attacks of those levels. Heck nothing jinbei showed proves he can take on the big mom ministers one on one

Seriously. This is the same jinbei that was having a hard time holding off some big mom scrubs

https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/864/9

I like how you simple conclude without evidence that jinbei won't get blitz. I also like how sanji's superiority in coo haki got ignored. But that a topic for another day.

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#57 Edited by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio

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@ourmanuel: Yeah lol now its at a point where I'm being accused of creating alts just to vote.....

I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm looking at the evidence objectively, the poll had almost 50 votes last night whilst it only had like 5 unique people commenting on the thread, every time the poll increased you kept going offline and then a couple minutes later back online as if you were logging into an alt to vote into the poll.

Again, I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard for the mods to look at the IP's of the accounts that voted in the poll and when they do, we both know you're screwed.

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#58 Posted by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio
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#59 Posted by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil: And I am saying it doesnt make any sense. Pika's golem took attacks both from G3 Luffy and Zoro, yet Zoro did more damage so where are you getting this theory. It would take multiple G3 punches to smash something Zoro can cut with one slash. Anyway at this point, G3 has been outclassed many times. There is no way Zoro, Jinbei or Sanji will lose to it. They would be pretty weak if they do

You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. Yes, Zoro's attacks cover a wider area but G3 does more damage to a target, you using the Pica argument is terrible since G3 Luffy's attack don't have nearly the same AoE that Zoro's does.

But for example, if both were to hit a normal sized human, who would deal more damage? I think the answer is obvious.

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#60 Posted by SkySanji (3455 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji said:

Found some hard evidence after digging deeply

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Please lock:

It was in this thread

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/law-zoro-jinbe-and-perospero-vs-doflamingo-1990991/

Opinion's can change in 5 days.

So let me, you went from Jinbei>Sanji to Jinbei needing to be bloodlusted just to fight an in character Sanji?

I'm finding that very hard to believe....

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#61 Edited by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji said:
@limitlesssigil said:
@skysanji said:

Found some hard evidence after digging deeply

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Please lock:

It was in this thread

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/law-zoro-jinbe-and-perospero-vs-doflamingo-1990991/

Opinion's can change in 5 days.

So let me, you went from Jinbei>Sanji to Jinbei needing to be bloodlusted just to fight an in character Sanji?

I'm finding that very hard to believe....

You would find it hard to believe, since again you're trying to get me banned.

Yes, I've done a little research on Jinbei vs Sanji since then and my perspective on who wins has changed, from what I've read most people say Sanji has the slight advantage and from you saying Sanji stomps Jinbei otherwise, I decided to make Jinbei bloodlusted to even out the fight.

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#62 Posted by SkySanji (3455 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil: Also as mentioned before you already created this thread

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/knight-of-the-sea-jinbei-vs-dartboard-brow-sanji-1991863/

what was the motive creating it again but into a Poll this time around?

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#63 Posted by SkySanji (3455 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil: So because I and I alone said Sanji stomps which I whole heartedly agreed was stretching it a bit as seen when I consistently say Sanji mid diffs

In this thread:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/one-piece-luffy-vs-the-strawhat-pirates-1990032/

That means I 100% right?

Either that or you take everything I said at face value

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#64 Posted by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: Are you serious? How many times have I told you.

The original thread was intended to be a poll, once I saw it wasn't I deleted it and remade it. You can't change a thread into a poll once it's already made.

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#65 Edited by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji said:

@limitlesssigil: So because I and I alone said Sanji stomps which I whole heartedly agreed was stretching it a bit as seen when I consistently say Sanji mid diffs

In this thread:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/one-piece-luffy-vs-the-strawhat-pirates-1990032/

That means I 100% right?

Either that or you take everything I said at face value

No, like I said I'd done research on Jinbei vs Sanji myself since then and many people had said Sanji has the slight advantage, so factoring what you said in with that I decided to make Jinbei bloodlusted in an attempt to even the odds.

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#66 Posted by SkySanji (3455 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil: Okay why make it into a Poll? The battle rules forum even say it's not a good idea to turn battles into polls for obvious reasons

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#67 Edited by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: So it's against the rules to make a poll now? Wow thanks for letting me know.

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#68 Posted by SkySanji (3455 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil: This still doesn't answer my question so because I said Sanji stomps which is said was stretching it a bit, which why you made Jinbei bloodlusted and Sanji in character does that mean you only took my OPINION in mind when making this thread

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#69 Posted by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: Stop, just stop. Either you're incapable of reading or you're just choosing not to read what I write

I'VE DONE RESEARCH SINCE THEN ON JINBEI VS SANJI AND ALOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID SANJI HAS THE SLIGHT ADVANTAGE SO NO I WASN'T JUST FACTORING YOUR OPINION ALONE

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#70 Posted by SkySanji (3455 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: So it's against the rules to make a poll now? Wow thanks for letting me know.

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I never said that this is what I said:

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@limitlesssigil: Okay why make it into a Poll? The battle rules forum even say it's not a good idea to turn battles into polls for obvious reasons

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#71 Posted by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji said:

@limitlesssigil said:

@skysanji: So it's against the rules to make a poll now? Wow thanks for letting me know.

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I never said that this is what I said:

@skysanji said:

@limitlesssigil: Okay why make it into a Poll? The battle rules forum even say it's not a good idea to turn battles into polls for obvious reasons

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Okay it's a bad idea to make them into a poll, I don't see what the issue is, it's not stating you're not allowed to make them into polls.

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#72 Posted by SkySanji (3455 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: Stop, just stop. Either you're incapable of reading or you're just choosing not to read what I write

I'VE DONE RESEARCH SINCE THEN ON JINBEI VS SANJI AND ALOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID SANJI HAS THE SLIGHT ADVANTAGE SO NO I WASN'T JUST FACTORING YOUR OPINION ALONE

Okay I see so SLIGHT advantage means let's put Jinbei bloodlusted while Sanji is in character

Okay yeah makes sense...

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#73 Posted by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji said:
@limitlesssigil said:

@skysanji: Stop, just stop. Either you're incapable of reading or you're just choosing not to read what I write

I'VE DONE RESEARCH SINCE THEN ON JINBEI VS SANJI AND ALOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID SANJI HAS THE SLIGHT ADVANTAGE SO NO I WASN'T JUST FACTORING YOUR OPINION ALONE

Okay I see so SLIGHT advantage means let's put Jinbei bloodlusted while Sanji is in character

Okay yeah makes sense...

Sanji is in character but morals off, I don't see why Jinbei being bloodlusted gives him a huge advantage.

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#74 Posted by SkySanji (3455 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil: Because making it into a Poll essentially turns it into a popularity contest

and you knew this which is why you remade it

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#75 Edited by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio
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@limitlesssigil: Because making it into a Poll essentially turns it into a popularity contest

and you knew this which is why you remade it

Omg...

THE ORIGINAL THREAD WAS INTENDED AS A POLL THAT'S WHY IT WAS REMADE

It appears you can't read anything that isn't capitalized.

Also what are you even talking about lmao, if I was really biased towards Jinbei why would I make this into a popularity contest, Sanji is undoubtedly more popular than Jinbei.

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#76 Edited by SkySanji (3455 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil: Jinbei being out for blood and going for the Kill against Sanji of all people....

Yeah there is a huge problem with that

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#78 Edited by SkySanji (3455 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil: yet in other battles you've created they have not been polls....

Mind explaining that, why Jinbei vs. Sanji?

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#79 Posted by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: Are you going to dissect everything I say lol? Feel like I'm being interrogated right now.

Again if I was really biased towards Jinbei then making this into a popularity contest would be the last thing I'd do since Sanji is undoubtedly more popular than Jinbei.

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#80 Edited by SkySanji (3455 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil: Nice way to dodge my question, dude you clearly did this with a motive

Says who he's always getting lowballed every since his fight with Vergo this is a battles forum people are going to take into consideration his feats

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#81 Posted by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: I did this with no motive at all, be honest, do you or do you not go into every single thread I make in an attempt to dissect it and get me punished/ruin my reputation?

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#82 Edited by SkySanji (3455 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil said:

@skysanji: I did this with no motive at all

Stop it just look at the thread is riddled with evidence Dart board Brow Sanji

Your argument is that you couldn't find d a silly name for Jinbei...

So why not just use "Black Leg Sanji"

Uses Sanji's Ugly wanted poster as his pic

While you give Jinbei is actually pic, that looks visually appealing

There is no need to go over this one in greater detail the evidence is right there

Makes Jinbei Bloodlusted

while in this thread you created you didn't make Jinbei bloodlusted(Mods can see deleted post)

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/knight-of-the-sea-jinbei-vs-dartboard-brow-sanji-1991863/

Don't tell me your opinion changed in minutes when creating this thread too

Makes it a Poll when there are 2 rounds.....

be honest, do you or do you not go into every single thread I make in an attempt to dissect it and get me punished/ruin my reputation?

One and One only because it was a Naruto vs. Bleach threads when earlier you were talking about Naruto vs. Bleach threads becoming toxic and resulting into flame wars, so why is it that you are creating a Naruto vs. Bleach threads yourself if you feel strongly towards them, I had to call you out not only that but you were being Bias on that thread as well and got it locked because you were arguing for Yammamoto

And this thread because of the Clear Bias which I'm not the only one noticing

Tell me one more time were I dissected your thread to get you punished?

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#83 Posted by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: I've gone over everything in your comment in this thread numerous times.

You didn't answer my question, do you or do you not go into every single thread I make in an attempt to dissect it and get me punished/ruin my reputation?

Yes or No, simple question simple answer

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#84 Posted by SkySanji (3455 posts) - - Show Bio
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#85 Posted by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: We both know that isn't true. You stalk and target me consistently.

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#86 Edited by SkySanji (3455 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil: get out of here I literally told you to point out those times I did that and you didn't comeback with any evidence, it's clear you don't have any, Why?, BECAUSE THERE IS NONE

Also I blocked you lol last thing I want to do is stalk you

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#87 Posted by LimitlessSigil (2330 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: There's no evidence now because the threads have been deleted.

Blocking someone literally does nothing.

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#89 Posted by Ninelven (183 posts) - - Show Bio

Sanji will surpass Jinbe during Wano.

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#90 Posted by Enemybird (5081 posts) - - Show Bio

@ninelven said:

Sanji will surpass Jinbe during Wano.

You say that as if you know exactly how strong current jinbei is.

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#91 Posted by Ninelven (183 posts) - - Show Bio

@enemybird: Well if you look at his portrayal and bounty, I'm sure Jinbe is weaker than Doflamingo. Current Luffy is already Yonkou FM level aka stronger than full-power Doflamingo and he will advance further during Wano. Sanji - as part of the monster trio - can't lag behind too much. So I'm confident that Sanji will surpass Jinbe during Wano.

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#92 Posted by Enemybird (5081 posts) - - Show Bio

@ninelven said:

@enemybird: Well if you look at his portrayal and bounty, I'm sure Jinbe is weaker than Doflamingo. Current Luffy is already Yonkou FM level aka stronger than full-power Doflamingo and he will advance further during Wano. Sanji - as part of the monster trio - can't lag behind too much. So I'm confident that Sanji will surpass Jinbe during Wano.

Well, I disagree with you for a one main reason. But before i get to that.

Its not a good idea to use a warlords bounty as an indication of strength for obvious reasons. But I do agree that Jinbei would lose to Doflamingo 1v. But that's based on Doflamingo's feats against gear 4 and not because of his bounty being higher than Jinbei's while they were both warlords.

Secondly Yonkou "FM" level? Thats a myth. Katakuri is the strongest of the three sweet commanders but I don't ever recall anyone mentioning that he was the first mate of the BM pirates. Secondly Jesus Burgess is the first mate of the Blackbread pirates. If you are suggesting that the second strongest in a crew of yonoko is implied to be first mate then that is also false because Kuzan is currently part of the black beard pirates. I know you aren' crazy enough to suggest Burgess is stronger.

Lastly, you mentioned that Sanji being part of the monster trio meant that he didnt lag too much behind. But by feats... he is lagging behind. Badly...the only way I see Sanji surpassing Jinbei is with the raid suit.

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#93 Edited by Ninelven (183 posts) - - Show Bio

@enemybird:

Its not a good idea to use a warlords bounty as an indication of strength for obvious reasons. But I do agree that Jinbei would lose to Doflamingo 1v. But that's based on Doflamingo's feats against gear 4 and not because of his bounty being higher than Jinbei's while they were both warlords.

Bounty also reflects the strength of a character. Prime Jinbe now as a former Warlord/active pirate has a new bounty of 438 million berry, which strongly suggests that he is not far above Sanji right now.

Secondly Yonkou "FM" level? Thats a myth. Katakuri is the strongest of the three sweet commanders but I don't ever recall anyone mentioning that he was the first mate of the BM pirates. Secondly Jesus Burgess is the first mate of the Blackbread pirates. If you are suggesting that the second strongest in a crew of yonoko is implied to be first mate then that is also false because Kuzan is currently part of the black beard pirates. I know you aren' crazy enough to suggest Burgess is stronger.

When I wrote Yonkou FM level, I obviously meant level of the strongest member/right-hand man of a Yonkou's crew - Katakuri, Marco, Ben Beckmann level. Kuzan isn't a Yonkou FM - he's just allied with the Blackbeard Pirates. Neither is Burgess, he is the captain of the first ship.

But that doesn't matter much here anyway, point is Luffy is a good deal above Jinbe now.

Lastly, you mentioned that Sanji being part of the monster trio meant that he didnt lag too much behind. But by feats... he is lagging behind. Badly...the only way I see Sanji surpassing Jinbei is with the raid suit.

Sanji is lagging behind badly for now, but Zoro and Sanji will keep up to some degree as it has always been. The manga itself referres to them as monster trio, a correlation Oda most likely won't put aside. Actually I think he is waiting to introduce Jinbe as official member of the Strawhats because right now he would still replace Sanji as third strongest member.

But whatever, let's enjoy Wano.