•Ninja war arc EMS Sasuke
•TYBW arc Kisuke
•Chakra=Reiahsu
•No Knowledge/Prep
•In character
•Random Encounter
•Both start in Base
•Location: Uchiha Hideout
•Starting distance: 60ft
•Canon Feats Only
•Win By K.O or Death
Sasuke mid-high diff. Give Urahara an hour or so of prep and he could take it with minor difficulties.
Saying a vastly more intelligent character who’s vastly faster, stronger and more versatile needs prep is very funny claim.
OT: Kisuke stomps.
He either blitzes, Kido spams or deconstructs Sasuke with his Bankai.
Hado #99
Does Kisuke even know Hado 99? I can't remember.
@leothegreatest: Prep is the standard or default for someone of his caliber.
@limitlesssigil:Yeah, in the novel. He used it to evaporate an ocean made from Karakura's atmosphere. I've seen a calc putting this at island lvl . . . for 1 dragon, and Hado 99 has 5 dragons (he didn't used them all in the attack, some were for defense).
@gilateen: Kisuke takes this one. He's has a ton of kido techniques at his disposal (more than Sasuke has jutsus), faster, and more intelligent.
@limitlesssigil:Yeah, in the novel. He used it to evaporate an ocean made from Karakura's atmosphere. I've seen a calc putting this at island lvl . . . for 1 dragon, and Hado 99 has 5 dragons (he didn't used them all in the attack, some were for defense).
Oh boy...
@ourmanuel: . . . well, if you want to use physics. Otherwise, it should easily be city/mountain lvl.
Kisuke really isn't that impressive without knowledge or prep. Sasuke should take this.
Even w/o prep and/or knowledge, he still able to gain leverage in battle.
"Urahara has proven himself to be the most intelligent being both within and outside of Soul Society. Much of his intellect is seen in scientific inventions, deduction of situations, and combat tactics. Aizen himself acknowledges that Urahara's intelligence surpasses his own immense intellect.[215] Even after a century of exile, the SRDI still holds great respect for his talents.[216] He is very insightful of other people, allowing him to see through a person's demeanor and determine what they are thinking.[217] Also able to read well into the situation, he can seemingly predict anything well in advance.[...] Urahara is a very insightful and cunning man. He possesses great intuition, quickly becoming aware of any incoming danger and reacting to it in time.[227] Urahara has an undeniable talent for thinking things through well in advance, making decisive and accurate decisions quickly in battle, and seemingly perceiving any situation at hand. He is a crafty tactician, easily deceiving both allies and enemies. In battle, he regularly uses cunning and deception to catch his opponents off-guard.[228] He is a very analytical man, quickly seeing through an opponent's power and attack patterns to ultimately make them useless against him. He easily outmaneuvered and tricked Aizen repeatedly in his fight with him.[96] Urahara stated that he goes into situations expecting many possible scenarios just so he is never caught by surprise and making it possible for him to be ready for any that might occur." - https://bleach.fandom.com/wiki/Kisuke_Urahara#Powers_.26_Abilities
@ps4gamerdude: Kisuke pretty much relies on his intelligence, trickery, and kido in battle. With knowledge he can come up with a plan and exploit Sasuke, bit with no knowledge he can get caught in genjutsu, amaterasu, or get overpowered by Sasuke's susanoo. If Sasuke goes right in to full body susanoo, I'm not sure if Kisuke is strong enough to fight with him directly. Sasuke doesn't have many feats showing off how powerful he is with EMS, but he should be somewhat relevant to BM Naruto, though I do think he is weaker.
"Kisuke pretty much relies on his intelligence, trickery, and kido in battle. With knowledge he can come up with a plan and exploit Sasuke, bit with no knowledge he can get caught in genjutsu, amaterasu, or get overpowered by Sasuke's susanoo."
I know that but, even w/o knowledge he still outwit folks in the middle of battle. He doesn't necessarily have to plan.
"If Sasuke goes right in to full body susanoo, I'm not sure if Kisuke is strong enough to fight with him directly."
I could see him going on the evasive. He is master in flash step, after all. And flash step users are sonic+ in speed.
"As a former Onmitsukidō unit commander, Urahara has exceptional skill in Shunpo and is well-versed in its various techniques. He is so fast, an opponent does not notice when he replaces himself with a portable Gigai for misdirection; this is further demonstrated when he uses this tactic effectively against Aizen.[176]The fact that he could always keep up with Yoruichi's speed at her peak during sparring sessions is further proof of his mastery of this skill" - https://bleach.fandom.com/wiki/Kisuke_Urahara#Powers_.26_Abilities
Urahara should easily stomp of the bat with a basic shunpo and sword slice what is sasuce going to do exactly? if he does not start already in susanoo he basically gets insta kill.
Level 99 Kido from Urahara has Small Country Level DC/AP in the novels, so his Shikai should not be far off, he scales to Yorouchi who scales to Eos Byakuya anyway
no non six path ninja is gonna beat Urahara much less this weak version of sasuke who is only City Level via Susanoo.
Why people are assuming that Kisuke is more intelligent than Sasuke?
Kisuke is good with prep, I agree but Sasuke has much better battle sense. In a random encounter Sasuke will simply dissect Kisuke, he cannot do anything that Sasuke cannot counter.
Going with Sasuke.
Why people are assuming that Kisuke is more intelligent than Sasuke?
Kisuke is good with prep, I agree but Sasuke has much better battle sense. In a random encounter Sasuke will simply dissect Kisuke, he cannot do anything that Sasuke cannot counter.
Going with Sasuke.
When people still use genjutsu against someone with a zanpaktuo especially one with bankai...
OT: kisuke wins. EMS sasuke is very overrated because of BM naruto (who he never fought) even though he can't replicate BM naruto feats
How on Earth does Kisuke blitz when Juubito(who would stomp most Bleach characters) failed to do so? Urahara ain't blitzing shit.
OT: Kisuke has absolutely no answer for Sasuke's Susano'o and even if he has some supposed speed advantage (he doesn't), Sasuke's Sharingan should make up the difference.
Sasuke stomps in a random encounter, superior speed, precog and genjutsu
Where was this superior speed when it came time to catch up to itachi or to blitz kabuto and restrain him? Do people just assume that his new eyes suddenly put him at BM’s speed level? Hell, he’d be lucky if he were even as fast as KCM, though that’s believable.
genjutsu also gets negged by zanpakuto as per it’s own weakness.
How on Earth does Kisuke blitz when Juubito(who would stomp most Bleach characters) failed to do so? Urahara ain't blitzing shit.
And how fast is juubito in the first place
And btw, yes, juubito did in fact blitz sasuke. He blitzed him so hard that he literally held his head in his hand and was about to shove a TSB into his brain.
OT: Kisuke has absolutely no answer for Sasuke's Susano'o
Hado 91, hado 99, his bankai(which absolutely kills sasuke)
and even if he has some supposed speed advantage (he doesn't), Sasuke's Sharingan should make up the difference.
Even with his sharingan, his movement is still too slow. And that’s assuming he can react. If he can and he manages to put up a susanoo, then it’s going to get ruined by the above mentioned techniques.
How on Earth does Kisuke blitz when Juubito(who would stomp most Bleach characters) failed to do so? Urahara ain't blitzing shit.
OT: Kisuke has absolutely no answer for Sasuke's Susano'o and even if he has some supposed speed advantage (he doesn't), Sasuke's Sharingan should make up the difference.
What a surprise, you clearly haven't read Bleach if you think he has no answer for Susanoo lmao. His Bankai ignores durability.
@ourmanuel: Catch up to Itachi?
Just how fast do you think Sage Kabuto is?
Sasuke was keeping up with and attacking in perfect paced unison with BM Naruto, he blitzes, hard.
A "weakness" which has been rubbished as PIS due to various contradictory occurrences.
Urahara gets hit with an amaterasu to the face.
That isn't happening... Ever. Raikage was able to casually side-step Amaterasu, that's not touching Kisuke.
Kisuke still wins decisively;
Far more intelligent
Completely negates Sasuke's Susanoo/Durability
Fast enough to dodge Amaterasu with ease
He's a Kido master and essentially knows every Kido which means he's more than capable of reacting and countering any of Sasuke's attacks
Extremely good at stealth
Can create Kido during the battle for various situations
Very good at H2H due to his time in the Onmitsukidō
Can heal himself with his Bankai
Oh and I almost forgot, after seeing an opponents attack he can analyze it and completely negate it.
@limitlesssigil: Yup....any problems?
Sasuke wins low mid diff.
Man, bleach fanboys bring up intelligent like it's a big factor in this battle lol...a casual sussano swing would one shot him.
Kisuke stomps. Sorry naruto fanboys. Your characters will never come close to dragon ball and a lot of bleach characters. Kisuke has the feats even without prep to beat sausage.
Without prep Kisuke high diffs
With prep Kisuke low diffs or stomps.
Base kisuke one shots with top level Kido, Shikai nor Bankai is needed, this version of sasuke is too weak.
Urahara scales to Yorouchi who scales to Byakuya EOS/this was stated by one of the strongest Shinigami and current Captain Commander Shunsui.
This thread is filled with Sasuke lowball lmao. Would his Bankai even work on pure chakra construct like Susano'o?
OT: Kisuke wins via Kido.
This thread is filled with Sasuke lowball lmao. Would his Bankai even work on pure chakra construct like Susano'o?
OT: Kisuke wins via Kido.
it worked on Askin Poison space so yes it works, it can reconstruct down to the soul level as Shinigami posses the ability to kill or destroy souls/Ghost.
Urahara was able to reconstruct his own Soul with it/Arm and injured eyes, not like Bankai would be needed against such a fodder sasuke, Kido is more than enough to stomp, Urahara scales to EOS Byakuya.
IDK why people keep putting this fodder of sasuke against characters of this tier.
@raziel2014: I’m not doubting that kisuke scales to byakuya but could you please show the scan of the statement that people keep mentioning about that whole Yoruichi byakuya scaling, because I’ve tried and I can’t find it :(
Kisuke really isn't that impressive without knowledge or prep. Sasuke should take this.
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