@theoriginalone: That is not how it works. No matter what you say, there is no number. The chakra is enough to create a sword that can cut the moon. Therefore he is on that level. I am not trying to find the amount of chakra he has. He has the amount to pull off jutsu on that scale. That's what I mean't in all of my posts.
Again, how much chakra? You can't keep saying he used "this much" chakra and not provide proof. And it diesn't matter how muh chakra he has, Kaguya had alot of chakra, momoshiki had a lot of chakra, Juubi Madara had alot of chakra but their attacks were not planet level or even moon level.
So yes, that is how it works. You brouht up the fact he used a lot of chakra, not provide actual proof as to why you said it. If you can't, than this matter is unquantifiable.
Nope , like i said before, even if it's hollow, it's still a moon. The total amount of what the sword cuts puts him at continental. Let's just agree to disagree on this one.
I agree with the continental level but not continental+. And again, size of the sword doesn't matter, what matters is the object being cut.
I didn't , by bare hands I mean't using his hands without the Kurama Avatar. Sorry, if I sounded like i mean't something else.
Oh cool.
What ? Yes it doe mean he has those those physicals. Obviously , i didn't mean he can punch a continent away. I mean's that Naruto has that amount of durability and when he augments himself with chakra he is able to block that level of an attack and overpower it.
No, it doesn't mean that. Naruto can be hurt by attack much less that continental level. You are telling me Naruto can tank an attack like bijuu powered indra's arrow or nature energy powered rasenshuriken? No, he can't lol.
And you do know tanking a blunt force sword doesn't mean he can tank moon level attack or have continental level durability? As I said before, Kusinai can cut through almost anything and Naruto tanked it in his 4 tail forms, that must mean he can never be cut....
It's easy and common sense. A character overpowers an attack with X DC with his hands, therefore the character's physicals are strong enough to let him overpower any attack with X DC. And that also means the character has X durability as well, if he tanks it.
Again, he used all of his chakra to do that. And overpower does not mean he has that kind of DC. Your common sense is out of whack. Naruto can't destroy a continent or anything close to it with physicals, even if he powers his fist like he did here.
All he did was overpower toneri's chakra with his own. A swing of a sword and a jab of a sword are 2 different things.
And no, he doesn't have said durability, He tanked blunt force attack but that was it. It doesn't mean he has continental level durability. Not even a full powered Susanoo has that kind of durability.
Flawed logic , a kusanagi of that size would already weigh like a billion tons and lifting it up and swinging it to cut an object would also put him at the same level. Toneri needs to have enough strength to cut an object. It was just a chakra sword, without the strength to cut the moon, he won't be able to cut the moon just by having a sword of that size. And it's a sword created by Toneri himself through his own chakra, that does put him at that level. Sorry, I am not conceding this point either.
Again, how much did this chakra sword weigh? How can you say chakra weighs anything? Did Kishi come and tell you this garbage? Chakra HAS NO WEIGHT. So no, the sword had almost no weight and the moon was hollow. That is why weaker attacks broke from the inside out.
This is not that impressive. Only the size was impressive.
Cutting something hollow is not impressive. I have told you this many times now....
Well , nope . Naruto> perfect Susanoo in durability. The feats from Naruto The Last prove it .War arc Naruto isn't as durable as the erfect Susanoo but The Last Naruto is more durable. His feats speak for himself. Sorry, your argument has nothing to counter this one. Susanoo has never shown the durability that Naruto showed in the MOVIE. The Last Sasuke might have that Durability using Susanoo but that Sasuke is featless (the susanoo after the war is featless anyway , so we don't know how much buff Sasuke's Susanoo has) .
Hahah, according to what? You? Where is proof of this? Feat from the Last is straight garbage. They say a weaker naruto can match a perfect Susanoo... Do you not see how stupid this sounds? A perfect susanoo..... A feat that is faulty at best. Not to mention, Perfect Susanoo went up against a stronger opponent - Kaguya.
He used all of his chakra that he was using in that form. All of the chakra in his body is just head canon. He switched off his BSM mode and used that chakra to concentrate into his fists. That's all we can gather from that instance.
That is why I said most of, if not all. And switching his BSM off is a big deal as he had t focus that chakra on that point. So yes, it took almost everything for him to do that.
Sorry , to me he is still moon level. But I can understand your thoughts as well. Don't worry.
Hahaha, moon level based on nothing...
Saitama being Star Level was from a databook that was not even from the original creator.
The creatpa actually said Saitama is going to have the ower of the big bang. These are ONE's own words. And funny you forgot, all databooks are canon for One Punch Man. SO yes, what they said in it is "true". Now do you see what "statements" without proof does....
Like I said, I just thought, why would they add that scene if his power wasn't enough to do so. Either way , I get what you mean, and I agree with you. I never mean't to say he is planet level.
I don't know why they would but they could have done it for exaggeration.
That's a feat for typhoon rebirth. it was strong enough to blow open the moon. It's not the other way around. A same goes for every other feat that caused a hole in the moon. It's a feat for the technique. And I was just comparing our moon to that moon. If it's hollow , then , all it has is it's crust because the inside of the moon has mountains and stuff as well. It makes sense that only the crust is left.
And again you forget the moon was hollow. If something is hollow and you launch an attack from the inside, even a city level attack with burst through it.... This is common logic.
And again, it was matched by a planetary rasengan, which is at best city level. So no, not a powerful technique.
"Enough" means his body has to amount of chakra to perform jutsu on that scale. He can use the golden rebirth jutsu again and again. He has the chakra levels to use a jutsu like that. That's what I mean't.
And again, how much chakra does it take. Provide a number and then we will say it is impressive. Sasuke can make multiple CT but that doesn't mean it takes that much chakra to make them.
It is directly proportional. What you are saying also means directly proportional . "The amount of chakra increases as the size increases". That is what is means to be directly proportional. That's it. It doesn't mean anything else.
Nope, I want to see some proof. I keep asking and you keep dodging. Nowhere in Naruto has it been said that is was proportional.
Lol, you do understand what you just said here right. I can literally turn this on you and say that for even 10 m increases in diameter, it takes 0.00001 % chakra.
I am not saying it doesn't increase as the size increases, I have never denied that. But that doesn't mean it requires a lot of chakra to make it bigger.
Do you get my point now?
" It was strong enough to the point where it blew a hole to the outside.That shows there wasn't much crust left to begin with" That is a feat for Naruto's chakra. That explosion was strong enough to blow to the outside of the moon even when it's crust is that deep. Its not the other way around. It's a feat for Naruto's chakra and the moon cutter.
A featless chakra..... Why can't it be that there wasn't much crust left (evident) from the movie? And if you go watch the movie again, the diameter of the hole created by the explosion wasn't that big, maybe city/city+ level.
That is not impressive.
It is the other way around as featless moves like typhoon rebirth were able to do it as well. WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND HERE?
You just don't to admit you were wrong....
Actually it was that impressive. You could clearly see the forests , lakes , etc like you were on an aeroplane . It was an impressive feat.
A massive feat that was matched by a planetary rasengan. Sigh...
It blew away everything that was in it's path which includes the crust. This is again a feat for the jutsu , not for the crust.
And again, it blew the curst because there wasn't much crust left. Still no answer for when it was matched by the planetary rasengan.
Dude , you are purposefully evading now. This isn't debatable. The eye of the tornado was calm but the jutsu's destructive capabilities were clearly shown to us. As well as the scale of the jutsu as well. It was island level , it destroyed that much area and it destroyed the crust as well and it kept going on.
And it still wasn't. You still haven't said why it was matched by the rasenshuriken. And are you saying island level in size or DC? Because in size, I can agree but not DC. It was only city level.
Nope , you are just evading. That is a feat for the tornado and Naruto's chakra. It does not show that the crust wasn't left or was not durable. X jutsu destoys a mountain , it doesn't mean that the mountain is weak , it means the X jutsu is strong. It shows that the Jutsu were capable enough to blow the crust.
And why can't it be that there was no crust left? You are so adamant on this, you don't even want to see the other proof presented to you.
If that jutsu destroys a small mountain of a hollow mountain, then yes, THAT MEANS THAT MOUNTAIN WAS WEAK. Christ......... The crust was so thin that breaking it required requires almost of effort. That is the same as cutting a piece of paper and cutting 1000 papers stacked together.
Do you get it now?
Like I said before, Lets agree to disagree then.
Agree.
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