Kingpin vs Red Skull?

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#1  Edited By Xavier St. Cloud

Kingpin vs Red Skull, one on one, anything goes... 
 
Fight takes place inside Fisks office. 
 

 
 


 
 
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#2  Edited By mavfan626

Does redskull have guns? if not kingpin would win.

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#3  Edited By Xavier St. Cloud
@mavfan626:
Its Red Skull, does he ever not have a Gun? Yes he has a Gun, even in the picture I posted, he has a gun. : )
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#4  Edited By MzombieX

This is tough ... on one hand I might say Red Skull. 
The truth as stated "when does he ever not have a gun?"  He could also have some of that crazy "skull dust" ready to go at any point also and whatever else he schemed.
He definitely has a sharp criminal mind and is often ahead of the game ... Then again so is Kingpin. 
The statement of "anything goes" leaves a window for so many variables. 
With that being said I have to give it to Kingpin ... if simply for the fact that it takes place in his office.
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#5  Edited By spidey 15

Kingpin has already beaten him in h2h.  
I don't know if it's PIS or not because i don't know much about Red Skull but for now i say Kingpin because he has already beaten him. 
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#6  Edited By GTG12
@spidey 15
 
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When they fought it was just h2h and red skull was owning kingpin and Kingpin won by.... falling on him and redskull cried uncle. So I think it was PIS too.
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#7  Edited By Loki9876

anything goes including prep then red skull wins

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#8  Edited By Billdevil

If Red Skill gets prep, so will Kingpin. Kingpin wins IMP. 

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#9  Edited By slimj87d

A more fair surrounding I think the Red Skull would win. They were fighting in a tiny area, which is an advantage to a sumo. 

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#11  Edited By Dracade102
 
 
Skull doesn't need prep or weapons to face off against Fisk.
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#12  Edited By spystreak

Red Skull
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If Kingpin gets his hands on Red Skull, he will smash him....if not, Red Skull might be able to take this, then again Kingpin is hard to hurt hand-to-hand.

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Gonna go with Fisk.

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If Kingpin gets his hands on Red Skull, he will smash him....if not, Red Skull might be able to take this, then again Kingpin is hard to hurt hand-to-hand.

Agreed. If you look at post 11. you'll see that Red Skull is barely hurting Fisk. It ends in a fair fight. Skull gets too close, thinking Fisk is slow. Fisk grabs him in a bear hug, then falls on top of him. Fisk schooled him.

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I don't know what's up with that fight, it does end up with the 450lb Kingpin laying on the Red Skull

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Red Skull is supposed to have the exact same copy of Steve's body, who easily lifted this 460 lb Fatso over his head.

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General Wo is probably Kingpins equal in strength, or he might be stronger as he's able to lift about 1 ton.

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Anyways, on Panel Kingpin already has a win on the Red Skull, but in all honesty I think Red Skull should have had the advantage in that fight with the SSS, but Red Skull had to lose in that storyline.

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#18  Edited By jashro44

@slimj87d: Did Red skull have the super soldier serum in that fight? I know red skull didn't always have the clone body of Steve so do you know if he had it in that fight?

All though here they have standard gear so shouldn't red skull take this pretty easily? He has that dust as standard gear right?

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#19  Edited By slimj87d

@jashro44: Yeah he did. I think that was his first fight he ever had with that body too. Maybe he was still getting used to it. Kingpin's cane has some random things too though, like electrical shocks and stuff.

I think if red SKull had a knife, he could easily win. He honestly should have the strength, durability and speed advantage. Possibly skill advantage as well.

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@slimj87d said:

@jashro44: Yeah he did. I think that was his first fight he ever had with that body too. Maybe he was still getting used to it. Kingpin's cane has some random things too though, like electrical shocks and stuff.

I think if red SKull had a knife, he could easily win. He honestly should have the strength, durability and speed advantage. Possibly skill advantage as well.

I think the weaponized cane is more of a classic kingpin thing. I don't think current kingpin carries weapons.

I guess you can say it was classic kingpin which is why Skull would have a hard time. He written a lot differently then. I think Red Skull has a good chance of taking this. Undecided in a hand to hand fight.

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can bullets penetrate that fat dense muscle? kingpin has to be able to hold his own he wins 6/10 times against red skull

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king pin is way to strong

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king pin is way to strong

No he is not. Red Skull is a superhuman and is more skilled.

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#26  Edited By matthew1061

A couple of things:

First, Kingpin was originally presented as someone who was so big and strong that he could hold his own against the Spider-man. He did this for years and it's pretty clear that Spider-man was notholding back. When Kingpin fought Daredevil during the Frank Miller run it was clear that he had superhuman strength. They didn't call it superhuman, they still went with the "solid muscle" language but he did things that no human could do. He kept his records in an unlocked vault with a door so heavy that ordinary people couldn't budge it. Daredevil, using his entire body, barely managed to open the vault while Kingpin tossed it open with one hand.

Some scans. The first is from Kingpin's first appearance. Spidey comments on his strength.

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Spidey comments that, anyone without his level of strength would be finished by Kingpin's grip.

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Marvel has since started writing Spiderman as having a much higher level of superhuman strength. It sounds like they may have downgraded Kingpin's strength too, but this is the level he operated at for the first 30 years of his appearances. His typical workout gives a decent idea of his prowess. These guys are just run of the mill martial arts experts but you get an idea of his speed.

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I love catching the nunchaku like that. I've used those things and it would be impossible for a normal human to do this.

Okay, these guys are nothing special, so a better opponent is in order. How about the Punisher, with knives, against a barehanded Kingpin?

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Castle only got out alive because a friend of his showed up with an assault rifle.

What about Daredevil? Here's the last part of the fight from their first encounter. DD is clearly faster and more skilled and he's using a weapon, his billy-club.

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There's nothing PIS about Kingpin's fight with the Skull in the earlier scans. Red Skull has Captain America level strength but Kingpin is clearly quite a bit stronger, and more durable. That beating from DD might not have knocked Cap out but it would have hurt him a lot worse than it did Kingpin. Kingpin steamrolls over peak human characters...at least he did for most of his existence.

@slimj87d Yes, Skull did have the super soldier serum in that fight. It was one of the first fights Skull got into after getting the Steve Rogers clone body. Skull was as fast and strong as Cap but not as skilled (though he was skilled enough to give Cap a hard time).

Also, there's a big difference between being able to lift 450-460 lbs and having it drop on you. Just imagine going to the gym and benching 100 lbs. No big deal, right? Now, with your arms pinned, ask someone to drop 100 lbs. on your chest. It's not the same thing at all.

So, Skull is strong but Kingpin is noticeably stronger.
Kingpin is fast but Skull is a little faster.
Both are skilled but Skull seems to have a slight edge.
But Skull's advantages are small ones while Kingpin's size and strength advantage is somewhat bigger.

It's a good fight, but I give it to Fisk 6/10 and maybe 7/10.

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@matthew1061:

Post is too old for me to take the time and reread everything to get up to speed again. Sorry.

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It's hard to see Kingpin, a guy of his physique, being able to react to Spider-Man and fight him. So this battle is hard to gauge, as all Kingpin battles are.

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Red skull for the win. Pretty good fight tho

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Fisk breaks Red Skulls skull.

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Kingpin beat skull hardcore