King Ghidorah vs Surtur (MCU)

@johndeyvido said:

"Why was there so many inconsistencies with Godzillas stats in the opening credit"

The director answered it, confirming that it was a mistake.

Why does size matter? Ghidorahs AP>Surturs size.

@multifandomboyo said:

How are they "multi cont"?

@jurance: If you're trying to scale Ghidorah to Godzilla's hollow earth atomic breath then that's a problem because that breath is stronger than any of Ghidorah's attacks.

Multi continental Zilla Ghidorah Kong and Muto Prime… that’s a new one

@takenstew22: he doesn’t understand how scaling works.

Ghidorra tanking atomic breath for whatever period can only scale his durability to the attack he tanks. But he won’t comprehend the difference.

Not to mention Godzilla's feat was a charged atomic breath. Even regular AB's have better feats than Ghidorah's gravity beams.

Monsterverse Kaiju's still stomp MCU high tiers but Surtur is still a large ballpark they need to pass. It's not like Surtur needs to destroy Asgard in order to beat Ghidorah, the initial shockwave he did before he busts it would be enough to K.O. Ghidorah at the very least.

We acting like Surtur wasn't already making a bigger and better hole than GZ in the crystal before he blew up Asgard

Like look how big that sword is and how quickly he pushed it in

I was gonna mention how his sword smash would do great damage to Ghidorah but then again his regeneration is pretty good and he can survive with only a single head. That said, the ensuing blast would probably just reduce Ghidorah to a state where he can't fight anymore even if he survives.

@takenstew22 said:

Ghidorah tanked Godzillas atomic breath for 19 seconds which is island level given that the breath was able to tunnel to the Earths core in 3 minutes, per second would be large mountain level so for 19 whole seconds it would be island level and that was before Ghidorahs amp.

After Ghidorahs amp, his lightning badly damaged Godzilla to the point where he could barely move, do you believe that Godzillas own atomic breath can damage him that badly?

Again his hollow earth AB was charged tho.

@takenstew22:Are you saying that if Ghidorah got hit by a charged hollow Earth AB then he would die? In KOTM Antartica scene, Godzilla charged his atomic breath longer, sure Ghidorah dodged it (good speed feat for Ghidorah) but do you really think that he would have died if he got hit by it? And when Ghidorah fired his gravity beams, they knocked over Godzilla and it looked to me like AB went right through it, failing to overpower the GB.

Gallery

Pics aren't in order so:

3:10-3:13, looks to me like AB went right through GB and failed to overpower them.

You guys remember the ghidorah's hurricanes right?

Not Multi-continental, but close, kinda

@tighten_returns: Not combat applicable unless he made it by flying.

...he did..

@tighten_returns: Then he flys and blows Surtur away :)

@tighten_returns: This the same hurricane?

Highly doubt it's gonna do much to Surtur. The devestation (over time mind you) doesn't look anywhere near as impressive to what Surtur did to Asgard.

@takenstew22: idk, he made a lot

It is. He Generated it with his own Energy and should scale to it, same with Godzilla. In-fact a byproduct of him existing is generating storms with enough power to tear open the stratosphere.

For the Multi Cont Stuff, The list is:

-Godzilla Tanking the Meteor in awakening: 124.7502851338 Petatons (Shinomura also survived this and was destroyed by Ancient Godzilla's Atomic Breath) But can Be 762 Petatons if you believe it crashed right infront of him.

-Godzilla and Ghidorah sleep off the Oxygen Destroyer, Godzilla only being harmed by the Hax effect of it: 1.67 Petatons

-Hollow Earth Drill: 7.55 Petatons (Godzilla used this same level of Power Against Mechagodzilla meaning it wasn't his full Power.)

-Ghidorah Storm: 14.5226654637 Petatons, Atleast 8.3882915631 Teratons (Downplaying it by saying it's as strong as the typhoon tip even though Ghidorah's storm is stated the strongest the planet has seen)

-Ghidorah Stratosphere Ripping: Taking the statement literally would mean Ghidorah can generate 44.5 Petatons

-Storm Covering Brazil: 344.2 Petatons-12.4 Exatons

-Hollow Earth Crushing Pressure: Godzilla and all titans casually enter and exit the hollow earth which crushes the target with the gravity of a planet, Kong has 313 Petatons worth of Dura using GPE which Godzilla would upscale massively

There are calcs on Kong's Axe exploding in Godzilla's face and only hurting his ego, but i feel the List is Good enough.

Ghidorah wins and Island Is a massive lowball as I said before, Surtur is sitting at the Gigaton range while Ghidorah has tons of things to scale to. Less DC is the only disadvantage ghido has.

@takenstew22 said:

@tighten_returns: This the same hurricane?

Highly doubt it's gonna do much to Surtur. The devestation (over time mind you) doesn't look anywhere near as impressive to what Surtur did to Asgard.

Ngl that's actually really big once you realize how big storm clouds are.

The average storm cloud is 12.2 Kms, 3x the size of Surtur, if Ghidorah really did all that just by flying, then I def see him damaging Surtur.

We also didn't see the full thing.

@jurance:

The person specifically mentioned Kong's height was from the previous film. He didn't say anything about Godzilla stats being wrong. The person asking the question did that not the director and I haven't seen anything in the movie that disproves the stats of Godzilla...

Hollow Earth=/= Real Earth and movie time is often shorter than actual time.

I will take movie facts over fan calculations every time...

@johndeyvido: Lol ok whatever you say man.

Bump

A lot of the stats were taken from incorrect fan calcs too. And some of them outright don't make sense. If that was GZ's true walking speed, his bones would shatter.

NW addressed this in a post before with calcs. But the fact that the director outright admits to some of them being faulty because they had lots of other things to do should dispel the credibility of those stats.

Anyone who relies on those stats is not debating in good faith. Nor can they be taken seriously.

OT: Ghidorah curb stomps. Passively creating large country sized storms > being one shotted by an island busting attack.

What does the size of a storm have to do with AP/DC? Are IRL hurricanes island busting?

The sheer size shows scope far beyond Surtur. Remember that he is passively creating them, not actively. Active power is much higher.

His power rivals GZ who can generate country busting power. Meanwhile Surtur was one shotted by an attack which destroyed the smallest island ever:

@frozen: that "smallest island" has a full fledged mountain range. That is a very large island, and considering the amount of mass beneath the surface of asgard which was also destroyed, Surters feat may as well be country level

Argard is a hell of a lot bigger than it you think it is when you're not looking at it from a far away perspective

@frozen:

Yeah, any calculations that wank my character...great!

Official information from the movie... bad faith!

Citing NW doesn't mean anything, it is still fan calculations. He assumed Godzilla drilling to hollow earth happened in movie time when that is obviously not the case since that would mean Kong can move at more than 100X the speed of sound. WoG specifically mentioned that they got the height wrong and that's that.

That said, you have not made any arguments on how Godzilla would win except lowball Surtur and you are trying to call out someone else for debating in bad faith. Regardsless of how powerful the atomic breath is, the size of the beam means its not going to do anything to Surtur so I would genuinely like to see how Godzilla wins...

Using IU information from the movie which the director himself has acknowledged is inaccurate is the definition of bad faith. Not to mention that the director outright said the reason its inaccurate is because they didn't pay attention to the info they put there as they were busy with other things. He is plainly telling us that those stats were the least of their priority, to the point where they're not double checked for accuracy. I am glad that Jurance posted the director's comments, because otherwise people would take your words with merit. Its dishonest.

I'd take NW's calcs over yours, given that he's the site's resident calcer and has validity across different verses. Here's what he previously stated regarding the intro stats:

• Speed was 18 mph which would mean he needs 20 or so seconds to cover the length of his tail
• Bone strength is so low he would break his bones while running around and pretty much any hit he takes would break his bones
• Atomic breath having a single yield no matter the number makes no sense because it can vary in power and duration

So in summation:

• The director acknowledged they got info wrong because they had other things to do and getting the info was not a priority. If one of the stats is wrong, all of their credibility is in question. You can't pick and choose what is valid and what isn't when we have outright confirmation that one of them is incorrect because it wasn't fact checked lmao
• Many of the stats make absolutely no sense, e.g. Godzilla's bones would shatter. Basic facts you can't get around. A fact like this isn't just a "fan calc", its basic science
• The stats are IU, they're estimates by the organisation IU

The size of the breath is not relevant. If anything, it being smaller is better because it's more concentrated. Breath which is calced at country busting > the guy who got one shotted by island bust. Doesn't get simpler than that.

@johndeyvido said:

How is he lowballing Surtur when hes just pointing out something that happened in canon? Surtur got vaporized by a large island level attack, he couldn't even use his multi-mountain level shockwave without killing himself because the shockwave came right before the finishing move. Godzilla isn't even in this debate but his atomic breath is not able to damage Surtur because of the size? Bruh have you heard of AP? Size means jack if the AP is enough to atomize Surtur.

You don't need to scale Ghidorah off of Godzilla to win anyways, his feat of creating large country sized storm clouds by flying is enough and that's a physical feat since he needs to put force into his wings to do that.

Surtur still solos Monsterverse