King Ghidorah & Beta's vs Hero Association (OPM)

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  • The Hero association is comprised of all S-Class Heroes, Amai Mask, Suiryu, Bomb, and Blizzard
  • Manga/Anime/Web Comic feats are allowed for One-Punch Man Team
  • Comics/Movies/and other tie-in material are allowed for Godzilla monsters as long as it ties into the legendary monsterverse
  • In character
  • No prep
  • Win by any means except BFR
  • Standard gear

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  • Fight takes place here:
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Who wins and why?

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#3  Edited By NWName  Online

Tatsumaki might solo. Others are non-factor.

Edit: I don't think even Tats can beat them. Titans are supposed to be nuke-proof.

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#4  Edited By LyonKnight

Tatsumaki solos.

She dragged the entire Monster Association 1500 meters up, then created a mountain that towered over City Z. She is too powerful and on top of it too fast. Even that Dragon level threat Monster Octopus she picked up is way larger than Godzilla and she did it effortlessly.

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Can't Tats just compress the Kaijuus into pretzel like how she did to Gyoro Gyoro?

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Tatsumaki solos. Too lazy to say anything for the others lol.

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#7  Edited By Toratorn

Ghidorah solostomps. Tatsumaki is as useless as everyone else and will get KOed trying to move him. Call me when she can passively generate category 6 hurricanes and produce country lvl energies.

Lol at featless Octopus that was hurt by bullets being anywhere in Godzilla's ballpark. OPM wankers say the dumbest things.

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@toratorn said:

Ghidorah solostomps. Tatsumaki is as useless as everyone else and will get KOed trying to move him. Call me when she can passively generate category 6 hurricanes and produce country lvl energies.

Lol at featless Octopus that was hurt by bullets being anywhere in Godzilla's ballpark. OPM wankers say the dumbest things.

When did Ghidorah do that?

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Tats rips Ghidorah’s tail and impales the titans with it

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#10  Edited By Vertigo-

@jashro44: He's referring to Ghidorah's storm that he passively generates. But, tbh, Ghidorah did produce a country ish sized storm while fyling toward Rodan, but, after rewatching the movie 2 days ago, his average storm was only stated to be the size of a city. Heck, they explicitly refer to his storm (that he passively generates) as being over Washington DC only, until he goes to Boston once the Orca is set off to lure him there, then the storm encompasses Boston. It's also referred to as a Catagory 6 Hurricane, which I can't find a stated size for, since I don't think one has ever been seen

OT: Not sure, considering I'm not caught up with the webcomic.

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#11  Edited By MCU-Defender333

@toratorn said:

Ghidorah solostomps. Tatsumaki is as useless as everyone else and will get KOed trying to move him. Call me when she can passively generate category 6 hurricanes and produce country lvl energies.

Lol at featless Octopus that was hurt by bullets being anywhere in Godzilla's ballpark. OPM wankers say the dumbest things.

Tatsumaki lifted the entire monster association base (which extends miles underground and is city sized) up 1500 metres above ground and she did it casually. Murata also stated in a previous stream that she can lift the entirety of city Z. Based on what I've read, Ghidorah seems to range in weight from 20,000 to 70,000 tons, which is nowhere near the weight of a city. Tats is not getting KOed trying to move him.

Abandonment Bang might be able to help too, given that he was capable of one-shotting dragon levels (who alone are threats to multiple cities).

Admittedly most of the heroes here are going to be useless against the sheer size and power of the titans. Question is, do any of them have any speed feats? I read somewhere that King Ghidorah can fly at mach 3 (not sure about the other two).

And 'country level energies' is a bit vague, any feats/statements for that?

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Ghildorah solos.

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@jashro44 said:

When did Ghidorah do that?

Every time he hurt Godzilla? You know, considering the latter no sold this.

But I meant that Tatsumaki needed to have that much energy output to do significant damage to Ghidorah, considering KG was superior to Godzilla and obviously scales to that feat.

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#14  Edited By zxc6

Tatsumaki solo and tear them all apart

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You ever seen a kid with a Godzilla action figure? The way they smack the figures together to pretend they’re fighting?

You just envisioned what happens in this battle only Tatsumaki is using telekinesis.

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Does Metal Knight get his full arsenal or just one drone? Full arsenal Metal Knight would curbstomp. Tatsumaki might be able to solo too.

Feats suggesting Ghidorah is immune to the King Engine?

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@mcu-defender333:

Tatsumaki lifted the entire monster association base (which extends miles underground and is city sized) up 1500 metres above ground and she did it casually.

You forgot to mention that the base is like 99% hollow, which makes the feat way less impressive that you want it to be.

Murata also stated in a previous stream that she can lift the entirety of city Z.

Which would be impressive... If we had any idea on how big City Z is supposed to be. And please, don't start with the "cities in OPM are country-sized" BS.

Based on what I've read, Ghidorah seems to range in weight from 20,000 to 70,000 tons, which is nowhere near the weight of a city. Tats is not getting KOed trying to move him.

141 000 tons, to be exact. But that wasn't my point. She won't be KOes because he is heavier than a city... But she will be KOed because he is more powerful than Tatsumaki. We already saw that she can't do shit to people more powerful than her (Golden Sperm, Garou, Saitama), and Ghidorah outclasses her in a similar way (should also be noted that those were webcomic versions of characters who have next to zero impressive quantifiable feats). Case in point. This is a hurricane that Ghidorah basically created just by flying around:

That golden whirl inside and slightly outside the circle with Ghidorah's name. Huge yellow spots below and left from Ghidorah are not the hurricane, FYI.
That golden whirl inside and slightly outside the circle with Ghidorah's name. Huge yellow spots below and left from Ghidorah are not the hurricane, FYI.

Also, Ghidorah was able to hurt and pretty damn near kill Godzilla. The same Godzilla who tanked Permian Extinction meteor impact without a scratch (to drive the point home, I'll even give you a comparison of Godzilla's feat and the second best feat in OPM series, Saitama's Moon jump):

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Tatsumaki has 0 feats to compete with that kind of power. If she tries to restrain or move Ghidorah against his will, he'll just need to flap his wings and she will faint (if not outright die) from feedback.

Abandonment Bang might be able to help too, given that he was capable of one-shotting dragon levels (who alone are threats to multiple cities).

All Bang did was trash a couple of nigh-featless monsters, whose only feats were trashing similarly nigh-featless S-Class heroes (webcomic wasn't too rich on quantifiable feats, if you don't recall). Disaster levels on their own mean jack. Being a threat to multiple cities doesn't mean the monsters can bust multiple cities with an attack.

The best feat Bang has is a shared beating he and Bomb delivered to Elder Centipede... Who is nowhere near Ghidorah or Godzilla in durability.

Admittedly most of the heroes here are going to be useless against the sheer size and power of the titans. Question is, do any of them have any speed feats? I read somewhere that King Ghidorah can fly at mach 3 (not sure about the other two).

They are vaguely supersonic. They are nowhere near most OPM characters in speed, if that's what you want to hear. Thing is, they don't really need to be fast to win herw. Tatsumaki, for example, is arrogant and is not going to utilize her speed and instead will use forcefields, which will lead to her being vaporized. Most people here have excellent reaction speed feats, but can't actually move around at these speeds (notable exceptions being Genos, Flash, Suiryu and maybe a couple of others I'm forgetting). Remember how much trouble Metal Bat, Bang, Atomic Samurai and PPP had with running away from Boros' falling ship?

Thus, most of the combatants here won't be able to dodge or outrun Ghidorah's Gravity Bolts (which should cover a pretty significant area, seeing how big Ghidorah's heads are), especially due to the fact that they are fired from 3 different heads and are pretty damn erratic in pattern.

And that leaves us with... Suiryu, who can't do shit, Flash, who similarly can't do shit, and Genos, who, predictably, can't do shit either and will probably blow himself up in desperation. The difference between Ghidorah's durability and their attack power is so enormous that they will probably just break their limbs trying to hurt him. Ghidorah can also simply fly up and he would be out of reach, while also being free to systematically nuke the area until there's nothing left.

And 'country level energies' is a bit vague, any feats/statements for that?

See above.

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#18  Edited By Toratorn

@cromulor said:

Does Metal Knight get his full arsenal or just one drone? Full arsenal Metal Knight would curbstomp.

Metal Knight haven't shown anything impressive period. His "full arsenal" is all hype and no substance.

Tatsumaki might be able to solo too.

Not even close.

Feats suggesting Ghidorah is immune to the King Engine?

How about the fact that you can't hear anything from ground level when your head is 150 meters above the ground?

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#19  Edited By GojiraKing1985

On topic of Ghidorahs hurricane.

Category 6 is speed of winds not size. Category 5 is 150+ MPH winds. We seen the devastation of such winds. Some websites including weather channel stated Category 6 would be 200+ MPH winds. Again look at how much a Cat5 does to cities and states, imagine that with 25% stronger winds.

In the movie the Hurricane was size of Texas, this is in both Monarch Website and Movie Map, not a city. It took a super jet moving at multiple machs just to cross the outside of the Hurricane to the large eye center.

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@cromulor said:

Does Metal Knight get his full arsenal or just one drone? Full arsenal Metal Knight would curbstomp. Tatsumaki might be able to solo too.

Feats suggesting Ghidorah is immune to the King Engine?

"standard gear". So whatever Metal Knight can use in a no prep encounter.

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Titans too powerful and durable it's not really that close

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@toratorn said:

@mcu-defender333:

Tatsumaki lifted the entire monster association base (which extends miles underground and is city sized) up 1500 metres above ground and she did it casually.

You forgot to mention that the base is like 99% hollow, which makes the feat way less impressive that you want it to be.

Murata also stated in a previous stream that she can lift the entirety of city Z.

Which would be impressive... If we had any idea on how big City Z is supposed to be. And please, don't start with the "cities in OPM are country-sized" BS.

Based on what I've read, Ghidorah seems to range in weight from 20,000 to 70,000 tons, which is nowhere near the weight of a city. Tats is not getting KOed trying to move him.

141 000 tons, to be exact. But that wasn't my point. She won't be KOes because he is heavier than a city... But she will be KOed because he is more powerful than Tatsumaki. We already saw that she can't do shit to people more powerful than her (Golden Sperm, Garou, Saitama), and Ghidorah outclasses her in a similar way (should also be noted that those were webcomic versions of characters who have next to zero impressive quantifiable feats). Case in point. This is a hurricane that Ghidorah basically created just by flying around:

That golden whirl inside and slightly outside the circle with Ghidorah's name. Huge yellow spots below and left from Ghidorah are not the hurricane, FYI.
That golden whirl inside and slightly outside the circle with Ghidorah's name. Huge yellow spots below and left from Ghidorah are not the hurricane, FYI.

Also, Ghidorah was able to hurt and pretty damn near kill Godzilla. The same Godzilla who tanked Permian Extinction meteor impact without a scratch (to drive the point home, I'll even give you a comparison of Godzilla's feat and the second best feat in OPM series, Saitama's Moon jump):

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Tatsumaki has 0 feats to compete with that kind of power. If she tries to restrain or move Ghidorah against his will, he'll just need to flap his wings and she will faint (if not outright die) from feedback.

Abandonment Bang might be able to help too, given that he was capable of one-shotting dragon levels (who alone are threats to multiple cities).

All Bang did was trash a couple of nigh-featless monsters, whose only feats were trashing similarly nigh-featless S-Class heroes (webcomic wasn't too rich on quantifiable feats, if you don't recall). Disaster levels on their own mean jack. Being a threat to multiple cities doesn't mean the monsters can bust multiple cities with an attack.

The best feat Bang has is a shared beating he and Bomb delivered to Elder Centipede... Who is nowhere near Ghidorah or Godzilla in durability.

Admittedly most of the heroes here are going to be useless against the sheer size and power of the titans. Question is, do any of them have any speed feats? I read somewhere that King Ghidorah can fly at mach 3 (not sure about the other two).

They are vaguely supersonic. They are nowhere near most OPM characters in speed, if that's what you want to hear. Thing is, they don't really need to be fast to win herw. Tatsumaki, for example, is arrogant and is not going to utilize her speed and instead will use forcefields, which will lead to her being vaporized. Most people here have excellent reaction speed feats, but can't actually move around at these speeds (notable exceptions being Genos, Flash, Suiryu and maybe a couple of others I'm forgetting). Remember how much trouble Metal Bat, Bang, Atomic Samurai and PPP had with running away from Boros' falling ship?

Thus, most of the combatants here won't be able to dodge or outrun Ghidorah's Gravity Bolts (which should cover a pretty significant area, seeing how big Ghidorah's heads are), especially due to the fact that they are fired from 3 different heads and are pretty damn erratic in pattern.

And that leaves us with... Suiryu, who can't do shit, Flash, who similarly can't do shit, and Genos, who, predictably, can't do shit either and will probably blow himself up in desperation. The difference between Ghidorah's durability and their attack power is so enormous that they will probably just break their limbs trying to hurt him. Ghidorah can also simply fly up and he would be out of reach, while also being free to systematically nuke the area until there's nothing left.

And 'country level energies' is a bit vague, any feats/statements for that?

See above.

More impressive than I 'want it to be'? 'If that's what you want to hear'? Chill dude, no need for that. You also seem to be plucking that 99% out of nowhere. Granted, much of the base was hollow, but note that she was also lifting everyone inside the base too whilst also restraining Psykos. Maybe we can revisit this soon, given that she might be replicating this feat in Murata's style in a few chapters' time.

And no, I'm not suggesting that the cities are all country sized in OPM- but even if it was a medium sized city, that is still a great TK feat (and still far beyond 140,000 tons). Speaking of which, where did you get that 140K? I'm curious. Also, regarding PPP, Metal Bat etc fleeing from the collapsing ship- in their defense, that ship was enormous.

I take your point about Ghidorah's energy output, though. I never thought Tornado would be capable of wringing him dry like a can, but your scans drive it home (I'd never seen those).

I might revisit this after the arc finally ends in the OPM manga and we get more concrete feats.

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140,000 tons is absolutely nothing for her so it doesn't matter. An average skyscraper weighs about 222,500 tons and a big skyscraper like the empire state building weighs 365,000 tons (102 floors). Even 50% of the Empire state building would still weigh significantly more than Ghidorah.

Gidorah would weigh nothing more than a mere fly for Tatsumaki even if you excessively try to lowball Tatsumakis feat.

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More impressive than I 'want it to be'? 'If that's what you want to hear'? Chill dude, no need for that.

Alright.

You also seem to be plucking that 99% out of nowhere. Granted, much of the base was hollow, but note that she was also lifting everyone inside the base too whilst also restraining Psykos.

Alright, 99% is excessive, but considering that the base has a shitton of vast rooms, corridors, a giant-ass conference hall and entire natural caverns, it's volume should mostly consist of empty space and only have a slight amount of solid material. Human and monsters inside the base would probably not even amass 20 tons in total, so I don't see how their added weight is supposed to make it more impressive.

Maybe we can revisit this soon, given that she might be replicating this feat in Murata's style in a few chapters' time.

Yes, that would be a good idea, considering that it was pretty hard to evaluate the feat in webcomic.

And no, I'm not suggesting that the cities are all country sized in OPM-

Good, because I saw people do exactly that in order to claim that dragon lvl monsters are country busters. Mad shit.

but even if it was a medium sized city, that is still a great TK feat (and still far beyond 140,000 tons).

Yes, and that's exactly why I argue that Tats can't manipulate Ghidorah due to his power, not his weight.

Speaking of which, where did you get that 140K? I'm curious.

Monarch's official site. Click on golden hurricane over Russia and you'll open Ghidorah's profile.

Also, regarding PPP, Metal Bat etc fleeing from the collapsing ship- in their defense, that ship was enormous.

True, but they were also visibly slow-moving, and the HQ wasn't that far away. If their movement speed was as high as reaction speed, they would be in HQ in seconds.

I take your point about Ghidorah's energy output, though. I never thought Tornado would be capable of wringing him dry like a can, but your scans drive it home (I'd never seen those).

I might revisit this after the arc finally ends in the OPM manga and we get more concrete feats.

Yeah, that sounds good. Redraw is most definitely going to have flashier fights and better feats, especially seeing how webcomic didn't have a lot of feats to begin with.

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#25  Edited By Toratorn

@lyonknight said:

@mcu-defender333:

140,000 tons is absolutely nothing for her so it doesn't matter. An average skyscraper weighs about 222,500 tons and a big skyscraper like the empire state building weighs 365,000 tons (102 floors). Even 50% of the Empire state building would still weigh significantly more than Ghidorah.

Gidorah would weigh nothing more than a mere fly for Tatsumaki even if you excessively try to lowball Tatsumakis feat.

It's not about his weight... It's about his power. He is way stronger than Tatsumaki's telekinesis. She won't move or manipulate him against his will, just like she couldn't do the same with Golden Sperm. No matter how good Tatsumaki's feat is, it's nowhere near causing country-wide hurricanes with just wing flaps or damaging someone who can tank country level impacts unscathed.

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#26  Edited By LyonKnight

@toratorn said:
@lyonknight said:

@mcu-defender333:

140,000 tons is absolutely nothing for her so it doesn't matter. An average skyscraper weighs about 222,500 tons and a big skyscraper like the empire state building weighs 365,000 tons (102 floors). Even 50% of the Empire state building would still weigh significantly more than Ghidorah.

Gidorah would weigh nothing more than a mere fly for Tatsumaki even if you excessively try to lowball Tatsumakis feat.

It's not about his weight... It's about his power. He is way stronger than Tatsumaki's telekinesis. She won't move or manipulate him against his will, just like she couldn't do the same with Golden Sperm. No matter how good Tatsumaki's feat is, it's nowhere near causing country-wide hurricanes with just wing flaps or damaging someone who can tank country level impacts unscathed.

His power doesn't really matter when he is on the ground. She can just pick him up or the ground beneath him. His only way to escape is to overpower her TK with his wings strength trying to fly away while she has him in mid-air.

I don't know how much power is required to cause this type of hurricane but if Gidorah can tank country level impacts I guess he wins. Not sure if your second claim about him tanking country level impacts is legit though. They did not seem this powerful in the movie. Not anyhwere remotely close to be honest. However I could be missing something.

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His power doesn't really matter when he is on the ground. She can just pick him up or the ground beneath him. His only way to escape is to overpower her TK with his wings strength trying to fly away while she has him in mid-air.

She had trouble even moving opponents stronger than her. Even when these opponents weighted about as much as regular human beings. She is not moving him period.

I don't know how much power is required to cause this type of hurricane but if Gidorah can tank country level impacts I guess he wins. Not sure if your second claim about him tanking country level impacts is legit though. They did not seem this powerful in the movie. Not anyhwere remotely close to be honest. However I could be missing something.

I didn't say that exactly. It was Godzilla who tanked a country level impact (here's a collage for better perspective). Ghidorah was able to hurt Godzilla with his attacks, both physical and energetic, and scales to him since they had several close fights in the movie.

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#28  Edited By LyonKnight

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She had trouble even moving opponents stronger than her. Even when these opponents weighted about as much as regular human beings. She is not moving him period.

I mean that logic doesn't work in real life but I guess that's fair because you are right she indeed couldn't move Black Sperm (In her weakened state). Show me feats of how strong Gidorah is physically so I can compare him to her.

I didn't say that exactly. It was Godzilla who tanked a country level impact (here's a collage for better perspective). Ghidorah was able to hurt Godzilla with his attacks, both physical and energetic, and scales to him since they had several close fights in the movie.

You gotta give me more details. Why is this a country level impact ? I can't really tell whats happening there.

Also I don't think I get your line of reasoning here. Gidorah scales to Godzilla physically because they had close fights physically. Ok but why does tanking a country level impact make someone physically stronger than Tatsumaki ? Durability and physical strength are two complete seperate things at least in fiction.

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#29  Edited By Toratorn

@lyonknight said:

@toratorn:

I mean that logic doesn't work in real life but I guess that's fair because you are right she couldn't move Black Sperm (In her weakened state). Show me feats of how strong Gidorah is physically so I can compare him to Tatsumakis monster Association feat.

Causing a cat 6 hurricane is a physical feat since Ghidorah did that by flapping his wings basically. Can't post his fights against Godzilla simply because there are no clips yet.

You gotta give me more details. Why is this a country level impact ? I can't really tell whats happening there.

That was a meteor that caused Permian Extinction event. The meteor hit Godzilla head-on. What is seen on that scan is the moment of impact.

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It's country level because... well, because of the size of shockwave from the impact. I posted how huge that blast was compared to Earth above.

Also I don't think I get your line of reasoning here. Gidorah scales to Godzilla physically because they had close fights physically. Ok but why does tanking a country level impact make someone physically stronger than Tatsumaki ? Durability and physical strength are two complete seperate things at least in fiction.

Ghidorah's strength scales to Godzilla's country lvl durabilty, since he was physically able to damage someone who can tank such an impact without any problems, and thus he is stronger than Tatsumaki's tk. And his durabilty scales to Godzilla's since, well, if it didn't, Ghidorah would just break his body parts trying to damage Godzilla. They were shown to be near-equals in the movie, so it makes perfect sense for their stats to be in the same ballpark.

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Monsterverse Ghidorah is a problem with the scale of his storms. It all depends on if Tatsumaki can overpower and ragdoll him with TK or not. Ghidorah should have no problem zapping the other heroes though.

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You ever seen a kid with a Godzilla action figure? The way they smack the figures together to pretend they’re fighting?

You just envisioned what happens in this battle only Tatsumaki is using telekinesis.

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#32  Edited By Juicers

not familiar with the comic version but Tatsumaki solos the movie version of these monsters

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@devoidruby said:

You ever seen a kid with a Godzilla action figure? The way they smack the figures together to pretend they’re fighting?

You just envisioned what happens in this battle only Tatsumaki is using telekinesis.

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if Ghidorah goes all out, like it did in the final battle, all of the Hero Association gets desintegrated. That lightning-storm attack is just too much.

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Ghidorah wipes them out