Killer Bee vs Sannins

Correct me if im wrong, but wasn't bee getting hurt by Team Taka?

@ourmanuel: seeing how he has basic knowledge not to mention the 3 are known throughout the ninja world I'm sure he will start in V2 or Gyuki will tell him to start in V2

Jiraiya solos.

I don't really see what's stopping Bee from just spamming Bijuudama at them.

Bee does not win this. You are basically assuming that Killer Bee would defeat Pain all by himself. If Jiraiya had full knowledge on Pain he likely would not have died in his fight with him.

Jiraiya fought the weakest Paths of Pain, when the others showed up he didn't last a minute.

Orochimaru at full power is 100% stronger than him without Sage Mode. While dying of illness and with no arms. He fought 4-Tailed Naruto.

He was getting trashed by start of Shippuden 4 Tailed Naruto, so impressive omg

The same Naruto who nearly killed Jiraiya.

Why are you lying?

1. The Naruto that almost killed Jiraiya was a Kid, much much weaker than his Shippuden self.

2. Naruto used Version 2 against Orochimaru, he only used Verson 1 against Jiraiya

Although since Orochimaru is at full power here. He has that giant Snake transformation that Itachi needed to seal into another dimension to defeat.

Lol no, just no. Just because Itachi 1 shot with him Totsuka blade doesn't mean he had no other ways of defeating him.

Because it had a healing factor better than Tsunade's.

Scan stating this?

It's also worth mentioning that Orochimaru with no arms and severely weakened already tanked or dodged a beam comparable to Bee's from 4-Tailed Naruto.

1. Having no arms does nothing to his durability

2. He didn't tank nor dodge it at all, stop bullshitting. He used triple Rashomen and still got rekd by it.

A weak ass Bijuudama from 4 Tailed Naruto isn't even remotely comparable to a Bijuudama from Bee, stop.

And Tsunade is a tank and healer that Bee will have no way to put down in a fight like this.

He vapes her with a Bijuudama, end of story.

He is good but not that good.

He's good enough to beat these 3

Killer Bee still lost badly to Kisame.

A Kisame that was absorbing his Chakra, and Bee was protecting 2 of his friends lol, stop lowballing, it's pathetic.

Kisame isn't beating Jiraiya

Kisame based on feats would neg Jiraiya, inb4 that totally not retconned statement from Original Naruto.

. Let alone Orochimaru

@sup3rn0va: Lol at this entire post. Not even worth an additional response. You are a troll

@swordofdamocles: Considering Bee can keep up with both the 4th Raikage and KCM Naruto I severely doubt they're keeping up with him at all. Even if you don't argue speed Bee can spam Bijuudama very casually at a rate they can't keep up with and has his Whirlwind which is capable of casually destroying a large forest. As for summons Gamabunta told Naruto that he couldn't beat Shukaku, so I fail to see how he'll affect a Bijuu that's much stronger than the one he's already fought.

@swordofdamocles: Not a single Sannin has the feats to say they can survive a Bijuudama nor can they avoid one, end of story.

Bee is much much faster

Bee is much much more durable

Bee has infinitely more Chakra than all 3 combined

Bee has Gyuuki, who is far more experienced than any of the Sannin giving him advice

Bee's DC is large enough to the point that the Sannin aren't avoiding a single Bijuudama

@sup3rn0va:

-From Gyuki (Full bee transformation) I agree, from V2, yes Orochimaru can.

No he can't.

1. He only survived a Bijuudama from 4 Tailed Naruto after using Rashomen to block most of it, Bee frequently uses 8 Tails in his V2

And about avoiding one of course they can, depending when and how it's used. (weakened) Orochimaru speed feats against F4 prove that.

No, just no. Bijuudama can cross huge distances very quickly, and none of the Sannin are outrunning a Bijuudama explosion.

-I already answered, they are slower but not by THAT much we already saw characters far to being as fast as Orochimaru reacting to V1 A speed . (Suigetsu)

Post speed feats for Orochimaru that show that he can consistently react to a V2 8 Tails Bee, Orochimaru was getting chopped in half by a much weaker Naruto lmao.

-He is more durable but not by THAT much (Orochimaru and Tsunade)

He is infinitely more durable, neither Orochimaru not Tsunade are that durable, they just have decent regen.

-Yes, but Jiraya have a insane amont of chakra. That not a problem because he would die due to the 3 focusing him.

Jiraiya doesn't have nearly as much Chakra as any Jinchuriki, let alone Bee the Perfect Jinchuriki of the 8 tails.

-He is older, yes. But that don't means he is more experienced on how to counter/avoid some things, as we saw during the WA he don't even know how the third Raikage wounded himself despite having fought him.

Because the 8 tails passed out

He is smart but not a genius who figure everything right away.

He's given Bee helpful advice numerous times

Furthermore when you have both Jiraya and Orochimaru on team work ... do you really think he can outsmart them?

Neither Orochimaru nor Jiraiya have been shown to be very tactical in battle.

Kakuzu for example was a 90 years old guy who fought in all the Ninja wars (likely) and god know how many missions. And yet he get outsmarted by a 15 years old dude.

"Outsmarted by a 15 year old dude" who also happens to be the series protagonist and is protected by plot armor, nice low ball though.

-I already talked about that in my previous post.

Where? I haven't seen you say anything about how they can survive Bee spamming Bijuudama's

@fullmetalemprah: true, Shukaku>Gamabunta, but let's not forget that Gama also landed on a full Kyuubi's head

This is completely irrelevant, he used his weight to sit on a Kurama that was being mind controlled, impressive.

and was able to at least annoy him for a while. Sure Kurama has way more chakra but a giant summon is a giant summon, the Sannin's creatures won't be useless.

Yes they will, any of the summons get killed instantly by a Bijuudama, hell Manda literally died to Deidara's explosion which is weaker than a Bijuudama

Bearing in mind the Sannin can get into position and summon whatever they want easily in the time it takes Bee to fully transform.

Wrong, Bee can transform literally instantly, faster than they can use summoning Jutsu, this is shown when they destroy Nagato's CT with Itachi.

If Bee bijuudamas? Jiraiya's uses mud swamp to throw off his aim and restrict him

It doesn't matter if Jiraiya throws off his aim (Won't happen anyway) due to the huge AoE of a Bijuudama, he can miss completely and still kill them with it.

and Orochimaru triple rashomons if necessary to throw it off even more.

Orochimaru's triple Rashomen was complete evaporated by a vastly weaker Bijuudama from 4 Tailed Naruto... Rashomen is completely useless here.

In that time, Tsunade could have landed on his head and start raining hits on him

This wank is just ridiculous, Tsunade's far too slow to keep up with let alone actually tag Bee, someone who is just as fast if not faster than the Raikage.

(will they do major damage? I doubt it, but he's going to feel it). Manda restricts Gyuuki (if only partially)

Gyuuki's punch sent Kokuo a good distance, Kokuo being much larger than Manda, Manda tries restricting him and gets crushed by superior strength.

while Jiraiya pulls off his mud bomb fire combo with Gamabunta.

Before or after all the summons are killed by Bijuudama?

Gyuuki obviously is stronger and more destructive than anyone else here (nobody is surviving a straight bijuudama) but teamwork, combination attacks, versatility and summon spam is enough to win this for them. And that's if we assume Bee isn't taken out before getting the chance to transform.

Wishful, you seem to think Bee is just going to stand there whilst this all happens.

I have to say it's odd how many people think Bee flat-out 'stomps' when the Gyuuki was stalemated by the Third Raikage.

'Bee is much much faster'

He is not so much faster that they couldn't react to him together.

He's as fast if not faster than the Raikage, aka much faster than anyone here.

'Bee is much much more durable'.

In full Gyuuki mode, sure.

'Bee has infinitely more Chakra than all 3 combined'.

'Infinitely'? LOL.

Yes, infinitely, unless you have some Chakra feats for the Sannin?

'Bee has Gyuuki, who is far more experienced than any of the Sannin giving him advice'.

First, the Sannin have each experienced two ninja wars and dozens of years of combat.

First, Gyuuki is older than the entire Sannin combined * 10, so he factually has more experience than all of them.

Second, Orochimaru is by far the smartest one here.

Wrong, Orochimaru is the most inventive (He creates stuff, like the Curse Marks, experiments on stuff etc), he's actually never shown to be tactical in battles.

Third, the three of them have more experience working together and consequently will have much better teamwork than Gyuuki and Bee.

No, since the OP didn't specify that they have perfect teamwork/Out of character, they're more than likely to start fighting each other than they are to team up.

'Bee's DC is large enough to the point that the Sannin aren't avoiding a single Bijuudama'.

Assuming that they will all let him transform, charge up a bijuudama and then stand neatly together for him? Cool.

1. He doesn't need to do a full transformation to use Bijuudama.

2. He can literally transform instantly, why are you acting like it takes him an hour

3. They can be 500 meters apart and still be well within the range of a Bijuudama's AoE

4. He doesn't need to charge up a Bijuudama, he can fire them rapid fire like he did against the 10 tails

Where? I haven't seen you say anything about how they can survive Bee spamming Bijuudama's

@sup3rn0va:

No he can't.

Yes he can in this scenario. He would use Manda to help him and will have 2 other sannins and their summons as a backup. Let's say Bee succed to launch a Bijuudama what stop Orochimaru to get underground with Manda ?

1. Their summons are completely and utterly useless

2. Orochimaru is going to go underground and get deep enough before the Bijuudama explodes? No

3. When has Orochimaru ever done that

Unless you suggest the sannins are dumb enough to fight V2 in front instead of flanking him/turn around him/get away he would never aim the three of them with a Tailed beast bomb.

If bee focus Orochimaru/Manda (or even Orochi alone) he would have more than likely the time to react when Bee launch the attack.

I don't think you realize how big of an explosion a Bijuudama makes, they all get vaped and nothing is changing that.

1. He only survived a Bijuudama from 4 Tailed Naruto after using Rashomen to block most of it, Bee frequently uses 8 Tails in his V2

Don't atc like that was not a great feat.

It wasn't a great feat, and it's irrelevant since 4 Tailed Naruto's Bijuudama doesn't even remotely compare to Bee's.

-Orochimaru wanted to test Naruto power as he himself heavily suggested.

And the entire fight he was getting rekd, what's your point.

-Orochimaru could have dodge/get away before the attack reach him (go underground) he choose not to do so because he wanted to see how powerful was Naruto.

Scan stating the above?

-Orochimaru was restrained and weakened.

He wasn't restrained, the only thing that was wrong with him was that he couldn't fully use his arms, this doesn't affect Durability or Speed at all.

No, just no. Bijuudama can cross huge distances very quickly, and none of the Sannin are outrunning a Bijuudama explosion.

Considering Bee have to fight the three of them

3 Fodders in comparison, Bee can also use Ink Clones and demolish them 3v3

, their justsu their potential kage bushin

Bee's Ink clones are superior, he also has enough Chakra to make infinitely more than the Sannin.

and their summon, yes they can.

No

If Bee was 1vs1 and he can focus we could argue about that, but in this scenario, no just no. He would be spammed from everywhere.

And whats stopping Bee from makes 2 clones and making it 3v3?

He is infinitely more durable, neither Orochimaru not Tsunade are that durable, they just have decent regen.

No. Just no. He is more durable yes, infinitely ? No. Specialy Orochimaru who is quite close in durability and even arguably above him considering even when he get cut in half he can put himself back like nothing.

That isn't durability lmao, that's regen, learn the difference.

Jiraiya doesn't have nearly as much Chakra as any Jinchuriki,

I never said he as. I said he have a great chakra which is true. Unless you suggest they would fought for hours none of the Sannins would lack Chakra in this scenario.

Yes they would, every Jutsu they use takes up a good amount of their Chakra, whereas Bee can spam Bijuudama's all day and still have more Chakra than them.

Neither Orochimaru nor Jiraiya have been shown to be very tactical in battle.

Sorry but you are joking right ?

You ask if I'm joking but show nothing to prove me wrong?

"Outsmarted by a 15 year old dude" who also happens to be the series protagonist and is protected by plot armor, nice low ball though.

Invalid argument. A fact is a fact, if you want to atc like this we can look down many if not most of Naruto fights. I stated a FACT you only stated your own head canon.

Everything I stated was a fact

Naruto is the series protagonist - FACT

Naruto has plot armor - FACT

Also funny how you low ball Orochimaru and Jiraya but don't even argue when I stated the FACT on how Hachibi don't even figured how the 3 Raikage wounded himself.

I did argue it, are you blind? He didn't know how the Raikage wounded himself because he passed out, learn to read.

And being fair none of them would get one-shoot due to base Bee speed going by feats (specialy Orochimaru ) with V2 he could do that (baring Orochimaru again due to durability) but again they don't just let him act like he want.

L0l, Base Bee speed >>>> Any of the Sannin, he was stopping the Raikage with his Base speed

@swordofdamocles: They have no reliable way of actually stopping him from going V2 immediately(or Bijuu Mode for that matter), and given that the Sannin have a fearsome reputation he wouldn't just try to take them on in base first. Also who have the Sannin reacted to that's even close to KCM Naruto or the Raikage? KN4 isn't as fast as them and Jiraiya didn't even fight the strongest Paths of Pain, when they did show up he got destroyed.

Also yes, Jiraiya is stronger than Kid Naruto but that doesn't change Gamabunta's strength at all. When he fought Pain Gamabunta didn't seem any different than before. Also he only summoned Gama to interrupt a Bijuudama Kurama had aimed at Konoha, not because he thought he was comparable.

And yes, I think he vaporizes them with a Bijuudama barrage because they have no counter for it nor do they have the feats to tank it. Not to mention he's faster, stronger, and better overall.