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SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks (Start of Buu Arc):

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Final Form Frieza:

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Rules:

  • In-Character
  • Fight Takes Place on an Indestructible Planet Namek
  • Win By Death or KO

Rounds:

  1. Frieza Starts at "50% Power"
  2. Frieza Starts at his Maximum Power, Muscled-Out
  3. Frieza is in his Mechanical Form
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This is DBZ frieza right?

Not DBS?

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I could never really gauge Goten/Trunks and where they stood compared to...well everyone else. Their whole shtick is like fusion, by themselves?....I dunno.

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Which version of Final Form Frieza? If it is DBS, then the kids get stomped.

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I think Frieza is too good of a fighter for them. If this were post time chamber, they could take him though.

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Frieza wins. The kids have a lack of feats, poor skill showings, and have never beaten any notable opponent 1v1. In character just makes this worse for them.

The only real argument you can make for them is they spared with Gohan and Vegeta, and scared 18, but sparring isn't the same as a serious fight, and 18 was more shocked that little kids were shooting nukes from their hands, she never said she thought she would lose.

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#7  Edited By Token1300

I think the kids surpassed Frieza. So the boys in all rounds. DBS implies that 17/18 got stronger over time over the years. That’s why 17 is so relevant in TOP. And if they grow stronger over the years by training, then SSJ Goten and Trunks should at least be Android SSJ Tier for fighting Android 18 at the world tourtment. And this version of 18 is a 7 year later version, n she kinda trained for the Tourtament, so she should be stronger than her android saga self.

It’s a shame we never saw how strong Round 3 Frieza truly was. He was one shotted while using his suppressed state. Underestimating Trunks cus he was a SSJ like Goku was a mistake. Maybe Frieza didn’t think trunks would go for the kill so fast. He would’ve powered up from the get go, that is if trunks lets him. Prolly not lol. Trunks is like the smartest Saiyan low key.

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Frieza should win via experience, his telekinetically controlled destructo disk should do the trick

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Goten or Trunks win. Future Trunks, the guy who took on mecha Frieza with negative difficulty, was completely fodderized by Android#18, whom was having trouble against Goten and Trunks as Mighty Mask. Goten and Trunks are individually stronger than Frieza

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Frieza wins. The kids have a lack of feats, poor skill showings, and have never beaten any notable opponent 1v1. In character just makes this worse for them.

The only real argument you can make for them is they spared with Gohan and Vegeta, and scared 18, but sparring isn't the same as a serious fight, and 18 was more shocked that little kids were shooting nukes from their hands, she never said she thought she would lose.

That 18 who was scared of the boys is the same 18 that stomped Future Trunks, whom took Mecha Frieza AND King Cold with zero effort.

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@shuragam said:

Goten or Trunks win. Future Trunks, the guy who took on mecha Frieza with negative difficulty, was completely fodderized by Android#18, whom was having trouble against Goten and Trunks as Mighty Mask. Goten and Trunks are individually stronger than Frieza

This.

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@shuragam said:

Goten or Trunks win. Future Trunks, the guy who took on mecha Frieza with negative difficulty, was completely fodderized by Android#18, whom was having trouble against Goten and Trunks as Mighty Mask. Goten and Trunks are individually stronger than Frieza

This.

18 never had trouble with the kids. She was stomping them at first, and when they went ssj all she did was cut their costume in half, they didn't even fight. Only in the anime did they fight, and both of them at once were being held off by her, and you can't really compare a tournament fight to a real fight.

There are many examples in DBS where characters held their own against far stronger characters in non serious or tournament fights.

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Frieza wins. The kids have a lack of feats, poor skill showings, and have never beaten any notable opponent 1v1. In character just makes this worse for them.

The only real argument you can make for them is they spared with Gohan and Vegeta, and scared 18, but sparring isn't the same as a serious fight, and 18 was more shocked that little kids were shooting nukes from their hands, she never said she thought she would lose.

That 18 who was scared of the boys is the same 18 that stomped Future Trunks, whom took Mecha Frieza AND King Cold with zero effort.

Frieza was suppressed and taken off guard, plus Trunks had a weapon and was bloodlusted. Trunk's actual strength wasn't much more, if at all, stronger than namek ssj Goku.

Also teen Trunks>kid Trunks.

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#13  Edited By MainJP
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This is DBZ frieza right?

Not DBS?

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Which version of Final Form Frieza? If it is DBS, then the kids get stomped.

The rounds clearly imply that this is Z Freeza.

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Freeza stomps.

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#15  Edited By Dadpool
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#17  Edited By ShuraGam

18 never had trouble with the kids. She was stomping them at first, and when they went ssj all she did was cut their costume in half, they didn't even fight. Only in the anime did they fight, and both of them at once were being held off by her, and you can't really compare a tournament fight to a real fight.

There are many examples in DBS where characters held their own against far stronger characters in non serious or tournament fights.

18 clearly stated she was scared and surprised. Even if she was holding back, the same goes for the boys, and the power gap between She and Frieza is colossal.

Frieza was suppressed and taken off guard, plus Trunks had a weapon and was bloodlusted. Trunk's actual strength wasn't much more, if at all, stronger than namek ssj Goku.

Also teen Trunks>kid Trunks.

Frieza was not surpressed. He litterally threw a giant energy ball (with King Cold scared that it was going to destroy the planet) and Trunks held it like it was nothing. Also, it is a normal sword , it was Trunks's energy into it that made it able to cut Frieza.

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@shuragam:

18 clearly stated she was scared and surprised. Even if she was holding back, the same goes for the boys,

Yeah, she was surprised that children had that much power. She never said she was actually afraid, and if she was afraid I think it would be more of her being afraid the fight could get out of hand and get the audience hurt, one of which was her daughter.

and the power gap between She and Frieza is colossal.

Not really, she is like 2x stronger imo.

Frieza was not surpressed. He litterally threw a giant energy ball (with King Cold scared that it was going to destroy the planet) and Trunks held it like it was nothing.

That's anime only. And if you want to use the anime, one of Frieza's ki blasts pushed Trunks back and made him scream.

Also, it is a normal sword , it was Trunks's energy into it that made it able to cut Frieza.

I know, but Trunks doesn't use the sword for no reason. It makes his strikes more dangerous, as long as the person he is fighting is at his level or lower. Trunks was definitely stronger than Frieza, so his ki can overpower Frieza's ki defense. However if Trunks punched Frieza it would just hurt him, but with a sword he cuts through him.

Trunks could have killed Frieza without the sword, it just allowed him to due it with brutal efficiency.

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What is this thread? 18 literally broke Trunks’ sword with negative diff, had to try a little against Goten/Trunks that alone shows either can solo.

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@ckarma said:

What is this thread? 18 literally broke Trunks’ sword with negative diff, had to try a little against Goten/Trunks that alone shows either can solo.

Completely different circumstances.

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@mainjp: How? She literally at her back turn and casually turns around and smacks the sword. She couldn’t smack Goten or Trunks

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Goten and trunks stomp.

As a super saiyan Trunks' blast scared 18, she even went as far as to say it was no joke and they're unbelievably strong.

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Note how Goten says "Not too strong" to trunks, reminding him to hold back.

Despite holding back with that attack, 18 literally says this was getting dangerous in the next panel.

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@ckarma: She really didn't try all that much against them, she was casually beating them. You forgot to mention that she also had to try a little against Vegeta, and just visually she had to try more in that fight than the one against the kids.

The fight against Goten and Trunks was also in a tournament setting as opposed to the blood-lusted Z-Fighters fighting for their lives out in the wilderness against a C18 with a different mindset.

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Goten and trunks stomp.

As a super Saiyan Trunks' blast scared 18, she even went as far as to say it was no joke and they're unbelievably strong.

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Note how Goten says "Not too strong" to trunks, reminding him to hold back.

Despite holding back with that attack, 18 literally says this was getting dangerous in the next panel.

That blast caused an explosion not far from a crowd. They're literally in a public tournament with a bunch of people in the stands including her daughter. Literally, anyone else concerned about their surroundings would point this out.

Nothing suggests she's afraid for her own safety.

Note how Goten says "Not too strong" to trunks, reminding him to hold back.

So they don't blast an area full of normal people to smithereens. Trunks brought up the same thing when he and Goten were fighting.

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#25  Edited By ShuraGam

@alextheboss said:

@shuragam:

18 clearly stated she was scared and surprised. Even if she was holding back, the same goes for the boys,

Yeah, she was surprised that children had that much power. She never said she was actually afraid, and if she was afraid I think it would be more of her being afraid the fight could get out of hand and get the audience hurt, one of which was her daughter.

She was surprised by the boys, yes. The same 18 who was not surprised by Vegeta and Future Trunks at that time.

and the power gap between She and Frieza is colossal.

Not really, she is like 2x stronger imo.

I think its actually way more, since she fodderized two super saiyans (Vegeta and Trunks) , both of them stronger than Future Trunks was against Frieza

Frieza was not surpressed. He litterally threw a giant energy ball (with King Cold scared that it was going to destroy the planet) and Trunks held it like it was nothing.

That's anime only. And if you want to use the anime, one of Frieza's ki blasts pushed Trunks back and made him scream.

Really ? Well, then I didn't recall very well lol.

Also, it is a normal sword , it was Trunks's energy into it that made it able to cut Frieza.

I know, but Trunks doesn't use the sword for no reason. It makes his strikes more dangerous, as long as the person he is fighting is at his level or lower. Trunks was definitely stronger than Frieza, so his ki can overpower Frieza's ki defense. However if Trunks punched Frieza it would just hurt him, but with a sword he cuts through him.

Trunks could have killed Frieza without the sword, it just allowed him to due it with brutal efficiency.

My point still stands here, the sword was just like another part of Trunks's body. He would have demolished Frieza regardless, as he did to King Cold.


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@shuragam:

She was surprised by the boys, yes. The same 18 who was not surprised by Vegeta and Future Trunks at that time.

The androids had knowledge on the Z fighters. An 8 year old with planetary power is much more surprising that adults that you have knowledge on being close to your strength.

I think its actually way more, since she fodderized two super saiyans (Vegeta and Trunks) , both of them stronger than Future Trunks was against Frieza

She didn't fight them at once though. 17 stated if all the Z fighters ganged up on 18 she would lose.

Really ? Well, then I didn't recall very well lol.

Yeah, in the manga Frieza shot one ki blast, Trunks dodged it but Frieza thought it killed him, and then Trunks did his attack from up on the cliff, making Frieza jump in the air, and then attacked him with his sword while he was distracted.

My point still stands here, the sword was just like another part of Trunks's body. He would have demolished Frieza regardless, as he did to King Cold.

He would have beaten Frieza pretty easily without the sword, but like I said, Frieza was suppressed. Gohan said Frieza had the ability to get much stronger when he arrived on Earth, and King Cold was stated to be comparable to that suppressed version of Frieza. Basically without the sword the fight probably would have looked like ssj Goku vs 50% Frieza on Namek. Trunks would have just been knocking Frieza around until he decided to finish him off with a large ki blast.

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@mainjp: Watch Goten/Trunks against 18 then 18 vs Trunks, she tries more against the kids regardless of the setting. Being able to take a casual punch from 18 >>> Freeza

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@shuragam said:

Goten or Trunks win. Future Trunks, the guy who took on mecha Frieza with negative difficulty, was completely fodderized by Android#18, whom was having trouble against Goten and Trunks as Mighty Mask. Goten and Trunks are individually stronger than Frieza

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@shuragam:

The androids had knowledge on the Z fighters. An 8 year old with planetary power is much more surprising that adults that you have knowledge on being close to your strength.

Even so, 18 was surprised regardless, and the boys were also aware of their situation and were holding back too.

She didn't fight them at once though. 17 stated if all the Z fighters ganged up on 18 she would lose.

Not at once, but in quick succession, as soon as Vegeta was knocked out, Trunks came raging and got basically one-shotted by 18

Yeah, in the manga Frieza shot one ki blast, Trunks dodged it but Frieza thought it killed him, and then Trunks did his attack from up on the cliff, making Frieza jump in the air, and then attacked him with his sword while he was distracted.

Just looked it up, that is in fact the case, my bad for misremembering it.

He would have beaten Frieza pretty easily without the sword, but like I said, Frieza was suppressed. Gohan said Frieza had the ability to get much stronger when he arrived on Earth, and King Cold was stated to be comparable to that suppressed version of Frieza. Basically without the sword the fight probably would have looked like ssj Goku vs 50% Frieza on Namek. Trunks would have just been knocking Frieza around until he decided to finish him off with a large ki blast.

That wouldn't make it so much less of a stomp imo tbh.

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#30  Edited By Eeef

Frieza's skill and combat prowess, grants him a tad edge against the kids.

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Goten and Trunks mid-diff actual Freiza (not that PIS in Super and F).

If they fuse it's low-diff

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None of the kids are experienced, thats why frieza wins, hes too clever

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@shuragam: You bring up good reasons why the kids could be stronger, but like I said, it isn't enough to say for 100% certain, and Frieza is the one with better feats in all categories. Even if he found himself getting pummeled he could use his death saucers, and the kids are dumb enough to where there is a very high chance of them landing. Frieza also has telekensis which can help him in battle.

Imo ssj Goten<ssj namek Goku and ssj kid Trunks<any version of ssj teen Trunks. If we go by Super, Beerus stated even post buu saga base Goku was no match for Frieza, and imo ssj Goten and Trunks would be hard pressed to beat Buu saga base Goku. When Bulma said her son killed Frieza Jaco said it was impossible for a kid to beat Frieza and Bulma said obvioulsy and that it was her son from the future. That would imply kid Trunks couldn't do it, but that line was anime only so it could be called filler.

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@alextheboss: Yeah, about the kids character, I think that would be a possible exploit that Frieza would use to win a fight, but power-wise I still think the kids take it. SSJ Goku was already more powerful than SSJ Future Trunks when he landed on earth after namek arc, then he went a 3 year training to become more powerful. SSJ Vegeta is equal if not stronger than that SSJ Goku (post 3 Year training). Android 18 completely demolished SSJ Vegeta and one-shotted SSJ Future Trunks in quick succession (that Trunks also got through a 3 year training in his own timeline). That same 18 was legitimately surprised / wary of Goten and Trunks (who were also holding back).

IMO it goes like this 18>Kids>SSJs after 3 year training >> SSJs before 3 year training >> Namek Saga Frieza.

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Could say frieza

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#36  Edited By noobsnowman

No one is stomping, but Frieza definitely loses if he's not at full power. And even if he at 100%, he needs to defeat the boys quick before he loses strength, because it is established that Frieza cannot maintain that form indefinitely.

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Didn’t the boys already beat two aliens who were stated to be Frieza level? How is this a challenge?

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why would c18 be scared of ssj on the level she already stomped before?

goten and trunks are both stronger than 100% frieza

he looses.

he can win if he cuts both with kienzan but even if they are kids , they are not stupid and the c18 fight proves it , they gonna dodge it.

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@firestarlord73194: That is non-canon material. And that occurred after Trunks and Goten improved immensely through HTC training, though it is arguable that they got weaker after that.

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@noobsnowman: canon isn’t something specified. There are many dragonball timelines and if we want to go the “toriyama canon” route toriyama multiple times approved that tarble is a part of the main timeline. Making it very likely that “yo son goku and his friends return” was canon to the anime, but at this point in dragonball, where the manga varies from the anime and toriyamas involvement in projects also varies there really isn’t anything “canon” toriyama said there are multiple timelines but has never used the term “canon”. That being said I see no reason to doubt that they can take frieza level opponents and rather casually.

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#41  Edited By noobsnowman

@firestarlord73194: It is specified, though. Every film prior to BoG is clearly established to be filler and thus non-canon.

And even if you do accept Goku's words in that statement, Trunks and Goten improved immensely since the start of the Buu arc, therefore it does not apply to this case.

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@noobsnowman: this is why the canon argument is stupid: what’s implied to be more canon? Battle of the Gods movie, Battle of the Gods anime arc or battle of the Gods manga arc? All have a different iteration of events. Until toriyama pops the word “canon” out of his mouth I think it’s entirely ridiculous at this point to say anything is or is not “canon” save for the games. Toriyama said there are multiple timelines why can’t people live with that

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They can win if they use good team play, they shouldn't be much weaker than Namek Goku, I actually think I might be wrong and they are stronger

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Only thing I don’t like about comicvine is everyone quotes EVERYTHING lol Jesus just reply to a person you don’t have to quote an entire paragraph looking like a book.

Anyway 18 wins. If we take DBS example of the androids training and getting stronger over time, then 18 should logically be stronger than her android saga version which was 7 years prior.

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#47  Edited By X-ZOMBIE

I Really wonder who is older Goten or this kid @token1300

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#48  Edited By Token1300

Can someone ban this kid @x-zombie:

@Shatterstar @fesak

@Buckshot @Blue_Shield @saren@god_spawn@k4tzm4n

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#49  Edited By X-ZOMBIE

@token1300: This kid make you angry more than anything, and now he make you crying to Mods just because I makes fun of you LOL

You started this kid now you must pay

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#50  Edited By Token1300

@x-zombie: very sad all of your posts are toxic and inappropriate good luck getting not banned

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/x-zombie/