Ki (Dragon Ball) Vs Chakra (Naruto) Vs Nen (Hunter X Hunter) Vs Reiatsu (Bleach) Which is better to use?

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Which is a better energy source?

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#3  Edited By KillianDuclark

Ki. The uses of it are limited and less creative compared to the others but it's really easy to grow and develop compared to the other one's listed

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Ki. The uses of it are limited and less creative compared to the others but it's really easy to grow and develop compared to the other one's listed

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@delein said:
@killianduclark said:

Ki. The uses of it are limited and less creative compared to the others but it's really easy to grow and develop compared to the other one's listed

Ki>Chakra>Reiatsu>Nen

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#8 gdara  Online

Ki >>> Chakra >>> Nen >>> Reiatsu

Combine versatility, and how easy it is use.

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everybody's saying ki but I know for a fact nobody's gonna train hard enough to actually get to even kid Goku's level, I know I wouldn't. So for me it's gotta be either nen or reiatsu.

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#10  Edited By LameLiarLeo

Ki easiest, Nen is easily the best though

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Nen is easily the most well written

OT: Ki

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Chakra or reiatsu for the polyvalence

The ki....yeah , it just blast blast blast

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Reiatsu.

More multifuncional in my opinion , especially if you look at someone who woudnt start as strong as the main character to say some , but as some kinda fodder that can be easily be find around.

Also , training to reiatsu seems way more easier than to Ki in my opinion , you just have to find a candy shop owner with a sword or some vizards find you and train you.

Meanwhile chakra and ki require one hell of a training and possible death in the meantime to get to the lv of a chunin/Avg bos ki using db villain.

Never heard of nen.

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Chakra has the most versatility

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@killianduclark: That is a fair argument, but tbh few are able to achieve this level of Ki.

If you're not from a special race nor have acess to hyperbolic time chamber, the stronger you're guaranteed to get is somewhere around Saiyan Saga Krilin and Tien.

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Let's compare the advantages:

Ki - It is very easy to obitain and doesn't require so much trouble and training to learn the basis. And once you start it is like riding a bicyle. You need to keep shape, but it is very unlikely your level will decay so much. Tough part is, to be able to learn Ki requires one to be already peak human. Videl is probably the weakest character to have wielded her Ki and before that she was already a top martial artist of her world, who could bare handed fight armed robbers and defeat men twice her size.

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A regular human with control of Ki can expect to travel miles in a matter of minutes, like Mercenary Tao. Be able to fly and shot rays of energy. If you're not lucky to be trained by Master Karin or Kami-sama himself, it is very unlikely your power level will sky rocket above 100. Which is arguebly the limit for a human in normal circunstances.

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Nen - Compared to ki it is very hard to learn, let alone to Master. The quickest method involves being baptized by a user of Nen. This method involves considerable risk. While there are no confirmed cases of death from people trying to follow this method, this is certainly a possibility. Odds are you will be crippled for the rest of your life.

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Nen seens to work on a base of Risk and Gains. The bigger the risk, the bigger is the power you gain in exchange. That will means you will have to be picky about your battles, chosing the ones that most favors yours conditions and limitations. You will have to play smart, because raw power is not everything and you can be defeated by a weaker nen user with a concenient ability. That makes discovering one ability an important part of the battle. The sooner you do, the better. If possible, you will want to know it before the battle even begin.

If you prefer to play safe, it will cost you time. A regular human like Leorio spend an entire year just to learn Ten, one of the basic principles. You can expect decades of training and mental discipline before you Master it. But fear not. Users of Nen conserves their vitality much longer than normal people. It is much likely that you will achieve yours 50 with the same vigor you hade at yours 20. In the most extreme casesyou can achieve 100 being a badass.

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@mrviking: @eazy_pezy: @lucascosta: @lucascosta: @aanmnp: @delein: @killianduclark:

Everyone on here is saying that ki is not versatility or if you not from another races from outspace you wouldn't be that strong as a human.

Let look at dbz for a moment for the humans.

raditz who was stronger than goku and Piccolo who can destroy moons at the time got beat so hard by raditz but the humans one year of training with kami became stronger than raditz and was Kill Cyberman who is on raditz level.

Vegeta have a power level of 18,000 is able to destroy planets without effort and on planet namek thank zenkai boost vegeta power when up to 30,000. krillin 34 day of training on his way to planet namek with gohan krillin power level was 13,000. krillin is stronger than any saiyans from planet vegeta at thin point Since king vegeta the strongest only have a power level of 10,000.

After he got his potential bought out krillin power level was 75,000.

The humans in the afterlife 40 day of training was stronger than the Ginyu Force was beat the crap out vegeta .

With the right training you be able destroy planets in no time at all. And become just as

strong as everyone else. You don't always need a god in dbz to training you to become that strong. Anyone with the right training who knows what they are doing they can get that strong by themselves.

The reason why the humans always fall behind the saiyans because they have transformation. If you look at dragon ball z as a whole the saiyans always get a new super saiyan transformation how do you supposed keep up with that? Also with the zenkai boost they get everything they get beat up. The saiyans just gown faster in strength because all of that.

Go back to the training one more time back in dragon ball . 5 months of training goku and krillin became superhuman. Now able to do things that no normal human can do and after that 3 year of training goku, tien krillin, yamcha and cacao was as strong as Master roshi the guy who destroy the moon.

Ki versatility. Ki let you do anything and you can have whatever powers you want.

Ki. Let you stop time, teleportation, make your own Dimensions, erase people from existence, Fly, read minds, psychic powers, make Clones, elements power like make wind, fire, ice and electricity, let you create whatever you think of it Piccolo made clothes and sword for gohan and gt goku just made him own pants with ki.

Become small like Ant-Man from marvel or a giant. You can make other people's as small like a ant. Created illusion, seal people's away, change bodys with anyone. Turn people's to Stone,

can sense people's power to know where they are at.

I could go on but you get my point anyone in dbz can learn how to do any ability or make them own up. The only thing you need just imagination.

Now with chakra, Nen, Reiatsu.

I have read /watch them.

With chakra you can learn how to do number of jutsu but you will not be able to learn them all and wouldn't be able do some special kind of Jutsu if you don't have the Bloodline for it.

Reiatsu, you only get 2 kind of ability. And That is it.

Nen, king of the same thing mix with Reiatsu and chakara elements. With little bit of imagination you can make your own ability but you can't really make any power you want up.

Nen have a lot of limitations to it and no where near as powerful as Ki, Reiatsu, and chakara.

For me ki is the go to power. You can make whatever abilities you want and be strong enough to destroy planets/Stars, Galaxy and universe,

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Reiatsu - Well... first of all things, there is a little problem with Reatsu that is, in order to fully Master it, you need to be dead.

There are exceptions, but most of people to developt Reatsu will be souls living in Seireitei. You will be one of the spirits living in Soul Society waiting for your reincarnation. Funny thing is, if you developt your reiatsu you can actually die again, since you will have to nourish your spirital body, and Food and water are scarses goods in the poorer districts of rukongai.

This will basically force you to enlist in the 13 divisions and live as a shinigami exorcising hollows. Good side is that as long as you don't get yourself killed by one of these nasty creatures, you can basically Live for centuries. After diyng, you will be sent to hell thought.

In the gotei 13 you will receive a Zampakuto, a spiritual blade capable of transform. Training requires you to meditate and form a bond with the inner avatar that inhabit the sword. If your determination is strong enought, the avatar can be compeled to teach you his strongest liberation; bankai.

If you can't convince him, well.. He will probably beat you out of his world. But don't worry, he won't kill you. Rather than that, he want to protect you, so make sure to make this guy your best friend.

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Chakra - imo it is the best of the 4 systems, considering the cost and benefit.

Anyone can use it. Literally kids are already able to wield natural transformation in order to performance elemental jutsus. Form transformation is even simpler. Just a few weeks of practice with a water baloon will make you capable of producing a Rasengan.

The hard part start when you try to combine both elemental and form manipulation. If you can't do it, don't be sad. Most of people can't anyway.

There is also a possibility you were born with an anormality in your genes that produce a kekkei genkai. Probably not a sharingan, though, but there are hundreds of kekkei genkai.

On the other hand there is a small percentage of chance that you're born with a disability for chakra. If that is your case, Taijutsu is your only possible way. But the training is so Harsh and the results are so meagle 5hat you would do better in choosing Ki instead.

If you happen to have a good control of your chakra you might be compeled to wield genjutsu. It is one of the most deadly techniques in this world.

Being a shinob of roughly Chunin level, you will be given missions of rank C to B. That involves everything from following important figures to espionage and assassination.

It is kind of expected that you must die if needed to fulfill these missions. No penalty will be given if you don't, but you can be stigmatized by the village. Also, if you try to leave the village they will Hunt and kill you to make sure you won't be sharing your secrets. But it is still possible for you to quit your shinob life as long as you keep living in the village, maybe opening a Ramen shop.

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@xana1:

@xana1: But will Kami even be willing to traine anyone?

He did train Goku and friends because it was in the best interest of the earth, but most of times this is what is expected from a human with ki.

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@dbzfan44: they would if they know if you don't train you will die. Dbz universe if not a safe place to live when some dick comes along and decided to destroy planet you are living on for fun.

I think death is good enough of motivation to get yourself off the couch and start working out.

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Chakra and Nen has the most depth behind its actual use and many different variants; Ki is incredibly simple to a depressing degree, and Reitsu even more so.

I guess Chakra and Ki would be cooler to have though.

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@lucascosta: like I said before if you know what you are doing you really don't need a god in dbz to train you. Master Roshi after his master died the guy training himself to become moon level

Besides the training kami gives is the same training you was doing by yourself.

Look at the episodes where they training goku and friends. Kami teach goku how to used ki a lot better than before, teach him see pass illusion with mind eye and see attack come before them happened with him sense and That is it the rest of the training was same training he was doing before he when to kami lookout. All The training in dbz is just working out. I know more to the training involved your mental state to but at end of the day is just working out or training with someone else to help you grow stronger.

look at dbs goku and vegeta doing the exact same training goku did as a kid on kaim look out. I really think whis a bad teacher he really not teaching goku and vegeta anything new here. The only thing whis even really teach goku and vegeta was how to used god ki and that it. The whole training we see goku and vegeta do in dbs is just them working out what they was doing before whis and beerus came to earth.

Jiren who is stronger than him God of destruction he training by himself. Jiren didn't want anyone help to become stronger. Jiren didn't want help by a God or the people's he work with. Jiren only believe is himself and no one else. Jiren wasn't anything special to have that kind of power. He was just a regular person of his race but work out so hard to get Revenge against the one who killed him family and master. Become the strongest in his universe.

The only thing you can learn from a God is fighting techniques, ki abilities and ki control.

They have things like the room of spirit and time to help you grow stronger a lot faster but is still you just working out in the Dimension.

Ki control you can learn it on earth, fighting techniques and ki abilities also.

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@lucascosta: why did the soul reapers go to hell? I mean I get why lots of the soul reapers go hell because they did lots of evil things but do all soul reapers go to hell?

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#28  Edited By Raziel2014

there is no better but what suits you best

1. if you are a Physical fighter/H2h/Swordsman etc then the best is Ki, Reaitsu, Nen

2. if you want to live longer then the best is Reaitsu followed by Nen,

3. if you want a stronger Soul then the only option is Reaitsu/Spirit Power

4. if you want Versatility then its Charkra followed by Reaitsu then Nen and lastly Ki which has the lowest versatility and development in that area since its all based on Absolute Power/Power level.

5. if you want Uniqueness then its Nen which can be develop to hax level and Reaitsu, charkra also has unique but it requires bloodlines which means locked unless you are a Genius scientist that can break it.

6. if you want overall power and Potential then its Ki -> Reaitsu -> Nen -> Charkra = Ki is the highest for obvious reasons as the ceiling is Universe Tier for those possessing Incredible Genes even for Human which are the lowest type of fighters in the universe they can reach Krilin and Tien height is alredy incredible. Reaitsu follows since it still allows ordinary people to reach the Limit via Talent which is Aizen, Yamamoto, Ichibei etc level. Nen same with Reaitsu can still reach Netero and possibly higher levels with Practice and Talent. charkra is last because it has too many restriction in the name of bloodlines, the greatest Talent in all of naruto but also average background is Minato this can be consider the limit of ordinary people also other kages like 3rd Raikage and Hiruzen, nen is above it because it has properties that charkra does not -> Life extending, Unique ability creation/hax.

7. if you are talking looking for passive sensing or instinctual energy then its Reaitsu -> Ki -> Nen -> Charkra = Ki can sense Life, Reaitsu can sense Souls, Nen has its own Basic sensing as well, Charkra is the only one where it has no such thing unless you learn a ninjutsu specific for this or posses some type of bloodline, this is why Sense type ninjas are important and rare.

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Nen is the most complicated and seems really difficult to learn with the least benefits but I think it’s the most well written.

Ki is probably the most versatile and practical out of all the ones due to how simple it is to learn and what you want to do. Ki kinda lets you do wherever you want with no real drawbacks

Chakra seems to be more based on knowledge. It’s really good too but the hand signs decrease the practicality for me at least lesser than Ki.

Innate talent drives all these energies but as an average Joe and not a prophesied genius talent, Ki would allow you to do the craziest shit the easiest I think

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Nen is the most complicated and seems really difficult to learn with the least benefits but I think it’s the most well written.

Ki is probably the most versatile and practical out of all the ones due to how simple it is to learn and what you want to do. Ki kinda lets you do wherever you want with no real drawbacks

Chakra seems to be more based on knowledge. It’s really good too but the hand signs decrease the practicality for me at least lesser than Ki.

Innate talent drives all these energies but as an average Joe and not a prophesied genius talent, Ki would allow you to do the craziest shit the easiest I think

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#31  Edited By Raziel2014
@demongod_pablo said:

Nen is the most complicated and seems really difficult to learn with the least benefits but I think it’s the most well written.

Ki is probably the most versatile and practical out of all the ones due to how simple it is to learn and what you want to do. Ki kinda lets you do wherever you want with no real drawbacks

Chakra seems to be more based on knowledge. It’s really good too but the hand signs decrease the practicality for me at least lesser than Ki.

Innate talent drives all these energies but as an average Joe and not a prophesied genius talent, Ki would allow you to do the craziest shit the easiest I think

Ki is likely the worst for the average joe look at the original Dragonball, even the Top tier geniuses of Earth like Roshi and Master Shen had to train for decades to reach power level of 120+, Krilin, Yamcha and Tien make it look easy but they are one in a billion in terms of Earthling Talent, and because your talent is average with 100 year life span it means you cant use time to make up the Gap in talent. even Chiotzu was born with a Supernatural Power that 99.9999999999% of other humans dont have and he is the weakest of the group. an avg talent in the DBZ world likely wont even get you to reach the level of Satan.

Charkra for average joe is practically Iruka but its at least better than what you would get with Ki, Roshi said it took him 50 Years to develop the Kamehameha and Goku with his Alien DNA and ridiculous talent learned it in seconds, Krilin did the same and so did Yamcha and Tien, and like Ki due to low level lifespan you cant use Training to make up the gap because most ninjas start becoming weak after 60, at least with Iruka level you can use Ninjutsu, kinda feel pity for the main villain in the 2nd Shippuuden movie.

the only option for average Joe is Nen or Reaitsu because they both offer Lifespan Extension and way for a ordinary joe to become a power house, Nen has the Restriction/Oath and self creation nen ability that can become Hax, Reaitsu is based on the Soul so PHysical talent is irrelevant, if it takes 100x more effort for a avg joe to catch up to a Genius then it can be done with Reaitsu and Nen because it offers a way for humans to extend their life span by several times to 1000s of times so they can train and train to make up the difference even a joe with only 100IQ can get knowledge worth 1000s of years and be able to do something.

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@raziel2014: Good points. Maybe I was underrating ki well at least the physical capabilities to be even able to use KI in the first place

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@xana1: Have you not readed the most recent chapter?

Strong spiritual bodies are send to hell because they can't decay. It is not stated that happens to every shinigami though, but at least Capitains and Vices are sent to hell.

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In terms of power - Ki

In terms of imagination - Nen

In terms of hax - Ki

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@lucascosta: like I said before if you know what you are doing you really don't need a god in dbz to train you. Master Roshi after his master died the guy training himself to become moon level

Besides the training kami gives is the same training you was doing by yourself.

Sorry, but that simply is not true.

Let's take Goku for a parameter. Knowing that he is a dot above the curve.

Goku during the fight with Raditz was 416 power level. After training with Kaioh-sama it rose up to 8.000. A near 5x improvement.

Later after Frieza his base power level is near 3.000.000. When Goku is warned by Trunks of the Androids he spend a year training himself with Gohan and Piccolo. We are not given oficial numbers here, but some sources put Goku at 3.900.000 after this 1 year of training. A 30% improvement.

And remember, it is Goku we're talking about. A normal person is ezpected to be much slow paced in comparation.

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#37  Edited By xana1

@raziel2014:

: I got to disagree with you about ki.

About you need Talent to reach high level of powe . Master Roshi said it took him 50 years develop the Kamehameha but that do not mean his power was weak. Master Roshi power level at the time was probably was 120. But need a way to release the power himself into a destruction attack.

Learn or make ki techniques take a while to perform or maby longer. Is took goku a year to learn the Instant Transmission technique.

Just because goku saiyan DNA allowed him to learn the Kamehameha faster than Roshi doesn't mean goku power just up on master Roshi power level.

All it means goku can learn a ki techniques faster than master Roshi took him years to make.

For master Roshi taking years to get to 120.

Master Roshi in db or dbz don't train at all. The guy is not a training maniac like goku and friends. Even when his was young the guy just goof around before his master died .

But dbs when master Roshi got back into training he was taking on guys who can destroy planets/Stars and Galaxy even though he didn't training as long as goku and friends did. Took like a year to catch up to them.

Dbz Never stated or shows that you need Talent or be billion in terms of Earthling Talent,

reach high level of power to be in the billion. Is was never even stated goku friends have amazing Talent to reach high level of power. They got to that level of power with hard work and the right kind of training.

Now let move on about the humans lifespan you said because the humans lifespan is so small they can't use their time to make up for the Gap in power but not true . If you train with a God you can grow lots faster in strength

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King Kai tell goku training with like a thousand years on earth even though is was just was 150 days. Is the same with the humans who king Kai training and made strongest then the Ginyu Force in just 40 days the Ginyu force who was stronger than vegeta destroy planets.

Humans the training they did kami and king Kai is the same training they did on earth but in a different way. If you know what you are doing don't matter who you are. You can get to the level of power to destroy planets by yourself or with help from a God.

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As long as I’m not a street leveler man

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@lucascosta: you are right about god train i just read dbz manga again and if you was training by a God you gown a lot faster in strength and power . In the manga is don't show what kind of training they did but whatever training they did they gown a lot faster in power.

But with the anime the train the Gods have the humans do is the same training they did on earth. Really not much of different there.

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Ki is so stupidly powerful and also really versatile when you look past the main characters.

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@lucascosta: you also right about master Roshi training . But like I said the training if you know what you are doing you can become that strong by yourself as long someone teach you how to use ki first. In the anime the only thing they are doing work out really hard and meditate to make theyself stronger. I just saying this go for the training in the anime.

But master Roshi. training was just have goku and krillin working out really hard In the manga.

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I guess in order to obtain power of ki, you must train very hard. And minimum requirement is to be at the peak of human level... Kinda impossible in real life, so I CROSS it.

Reiatsu.. I don't wanna die just to achieve some power. CROSS..

Chakra.. Easy to use, removing the hand-signs. Biased towards clan & blood, but could be overcome if you're a genius scientist. Vast variety... Badly written but the best here IMAO ..... TICK

Nen.. Could take decades to master it, or just a moment to obtain it. Easy, imaginary, creative and beneficial. You can live for centuries and still be more healthy and powerful than any young adult. Very good written, but is least power here IMAO.. but I don't wanna destroy a planet or city, so I TICK it.

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@xana1: Well, to be completely honest, even Master Roshi training wasn't that special.

He made the boys deliver Milk, then search for some stone, then tender some fields, etc

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@lordarceus:well all you got do to use ki is just hard work you be able to get to your limit in no time at all. I mean look at krillin I think he was 12 when he beginning to train with master Roshi in 5 months of training he was able to do it. You got to remember dbz universe works different than real life. So with a couple of months training they able to get to peak humans level in no time.

All is take is hard work and meditation to use ki and you be able go past your limit to become super human.

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Even master mutation say so. With hard work and dedication and cconcentrate anything is possible.

Ki for me is my go to power. Sure you got to put in a lot of hard work to be used it but at the end of day you become more powerful then a Chakra, Reiatsu, and Nen used.

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:thank for the info on bleach. I didn't read anythings new about bleach I did watching some of novel audiobook on YouTube but I didn't get back into for a while now.

Master Roshi training is really just working hard like you said is not any special. But that the way dbz work.

We got another kind of ki people's can learn in dbz that is magic if I remember correctly magic is just another version of ki. Where you don't really need to work out to be that powerful.

Look at babidi the guy is weak no where near as physical strong as the z fighters and probably as strong as a normal human with a power level of 5 or 6 but thank to his magic/ki he is able to control people's who is stronge enough to destroy planets. Put up a barrier around himself that strong enough to stop Piccolo attack, talk to every humans on earth all at once and teleportation.

If we go with the original story of Majin Buu creation babidi father creation him used ki magic.

In dbs yurin used her ki magic to make master Roshi strong as goku to fight against him.

So if anyone learn this version of ki. You really don't need to train for months or years. You can become really powerful without the training.

To learn this version of ki I really don't know what you got to do to learn it.

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Naruto characters have ki but can’t use it correctly

Ki is lifeforce when Guy access all 8 gates he begins to use his lifeforce as fuel as such ki in Naruto does exist and can be used as a weapon but they don’t have the proper training to use it effectively as they literally kill thenselves

Ki is the best option and could potentially be the most versatile as it’s full array of uses is unknown currently.

I don’t know what Reiatsu is so Chakra is a close second.

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@xana1 said:

@lordarceus:

well all you got do to use ki is just hard work you be able to get to your limit in no time at all. I mean look at krillin I think he was 12 when he beginning to train with master Roshi in 5 months of training he was able to do it. You got to remember dbz universe works different than real life. So with a couple of months training they able to get to peak humans level in no time.

You got to remember dbz universe works different than real life

Point to be noted.

Cause we getting these in real life, not in DBZ verse...

And unlike DBZ characters, we have a social life (no offence or hate towards DB-verse), so training for a power which doesn't require much training is a rightful choice.

Nen and Chakra are better for it.. cause we don't need very hard training for them.. Over the time, we'll be able to learn them..

Nen might take 3-4 years to learn though..

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Naruto characters have ki but can’t use it correctly

Ki is lifeforce when Guy access all 8 gates he begins to use his lifeforce as fuel as such ki in Naruto does exist and can be used as a weapon but they don’t have the proper training to use it effectively as they literally kill thenselves

Ki is the best option and could potentially be the most versatile as it’s full array of uses is unknown currently.

Many anime have ki as their main power source. Even for anime like Nanbaka, where ki's not a major power-system.. and only few people use it.

In Nanbaka, we have seen drawbacks of using ki.. so it's not versatile.

Plus, you might know the drawbacks of opening Gates in Naruto-verse...

And it's life-force we're talking about here. Like we're projecting our life force as attacks....

If you've seen MHA , you might remember in Season 4 I guess, when they went to save Eri, some villian had quirk which drains life force. And it made heroes fatigue.

So, you might get now how dangerous is projecting ki out of our body..

@xana1 Your opinions on this??

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Ki hands down. We have to take note, that it's not only Ki blasts, and shit, like some said here. It grants stuff like Telekinesis, Telepathy, can be used to fly(afaik, only with Six Paths Chakra Naruto can, and Ohnoki is an exception), it can let you feel the negative presence of certain kinds of energy as well, scan the whole world, protect you from extreme cold, etc. Not to mention, is on average the most powerful here, as an energy source.