Khorne vs Crimson King
Khorne (Warhammer 40,000) vs Crimson King (Dark Tower)
From that what I've heard, the wars in warhammer 40k are take place in a galaxy, which is not really impressive. When this is true, the crimson king mid-balled and even low-balled stomps. In the dark tower multiverse (low-balled), it was said that they are COUNTLESS universes in one dimension, not infinite. Countless means too many to count. So basically, still implied finite. And there were not infinite dimensions, since the dark tower had an end. But still, the Crimson King would scale to universal+ then, which is far greater than a galaxy. The mid-balled dark tower cosmology is a tower, where one dimension is infinite bigger than the previously infinite dimension, which would scale to infinite-dimensional. Don't know much about Khorne, but he should get stomped here.
@sungsam Hope my anser could help!
Warhammer 40K also has an Infinite Dimensional Cosmology though.
@demonbane Might be able to help us on this context further. Because people keep telling me that Khorne is on CK's level.
@sungsam: How big are those infinite dimensions? Do you now that.
@sungsam: Anyway, when it's a infinite-dimensional cosmology, a low-balled crimson king get's stomped. When those dimensions in warhammer are finite, it would still be infinite+finite, which would still scale to infinite baseline multiversal, which is far greater than universal+.
Both are multiversal. Khorne is able to think up and away stated universes in the Warp. Able to access and wreck others universes and points in time. CK roughly does the same minus making and destroying any universe. Otherwise it deal with the 6 beams easy and by himself :/
@tourneymaster said:
Both are multiversal. Khorne is able to think up and away stated universes in the Warp. Able to access and wreck others universes and points in time. CK roughly does the same minus making and destroying any universe. Otherwise it deal with the 6 beams easy and by himself :/
So, stalemate?
@yasindermann said:
From that what I've heard, the wars in warhammer 40k are take place in a galaxy, which is not really impressive. When this is true, the crimson king mid-balled and even low-balled stomps. In the dark tower multiverse (low-balled), it was said that they are COUNTLESS universes in one dimension, not infinite. Countless means too many to count. So basically, still implied finite. And there were not infinite dimensions, since the dark tower had an end. But still, the Crimson King would scale to universal+ then, which is far greater than a galaxy. The mid-balled dark tower cosmology is a tower, where one dimension is infinite bigger than the previously infinite dimension, which would scale to infinite-dimensional. Don't know much about Khorne, but he should get stomped here.
Why would you assume a Chaos god who is a multi universe level being lose to someone around his same tier or lower...
If you don't know much about a sci fi why not ask before basing your answer on something super vague to begin with.
@merulezall: You also think it's a stalemate?
@merulezall said:
@yasindermann said:
From that what I've heard, the wars in warhammer 40k are take place in a galaxy, which is not really impressive. When this is true, the crimson king mid-balled and even low-balled stomps. In the dark tower multiverse (low-balled), it was said that they are COUNTLESS universes in one dimension, not infinite. Countless means too many to count. So basically, still implied finite. And there were not infinite dimensions, since the dark tower had an end. But still, the Crimson King would scale to universal+ then, which is far greater than a galaxy. The mid-balled dark tower cosmology is a tower, where one dimension is infinite bigger than the previously infinite dimension, which would scale to infinite-dimensional. Don't know much about Khorne, but he should get stomped here.
Why would you assume a Chaos god who is a multi universe level being lose to someone around his same tier or lower...
If you don't know much about a sci fi why not ask before basing your answer on something super vague to begin with.
He did ask like five minutes later, read through the thread before you start being pretentious.
the warp is connected to a multiverse not just 1 universe
"A miss indicates that the missile has left Warpspace at the wrong point – and this could be anywhere in any of the million universes." – Adeptus Titanicus, pg 37
"Ka’Bandha fell through the hidden spaces between worlds. The occulted gears of creation rushed by him. In the machineries of being were the inner secrets of the universe displayed to him. The daemonkin of Tzeentch would have damned a dozen eternities for a glimpse of what he saw, but Ka’Bandha did not care for knowledge. The things on display were valueless to him, and the wonders of infinity whirled by unappreciated. Ka’Bandha fell forever and for no time at all, until a wave of change rippled out through the multi-dimensional space he infected, upsetting the delicate workings of infinite, interleaved universes. Ka’Bandha howled in triumph. The promised storm had been unleashed." – The Devastation of Baal
The warp has infinite dimensions
"A glittering megalopolis spread before him, the flow of information that formed the hidden arteries of the Speranza. It was mountainous, rugged with hives of light and vast termite mounds of agglomerated data. Abyssal cliffs of contextually linked information hubs spiraled into fractal mazes of answers that led to ever more questions.
Datacores burned like newborn suns in constellations of linked neural networks. The Speranza was in constant dialogue with itself, learning and growing with every solution gained.
Heuristic in the purest sense of the word.
Every paradigm of scalable time, from the cosmic day to compression of universal history to a single hour, failed utterly to capture the datascape's infinite scope. Its mysteries went back to the first stone tools hacked from river bedrock and stretched into the Omega Point, the Logos, and the Hyparxis all in one.
And for all that this aspect of the Speranza was a place of knowledge and understanding, it was also one of metaphor, allusion, and maddening symbolism. Highways of light were easy enough to interpret, but what of the vast, serpentine coils arcing above and below to encircle the world before coming around to engulf itself? What of the conjoined helicies of light that split apart like the branches of a towering tree with its roots dug deep into the datascape? Could he even see these things truly or was his hominid brain simply interpreting the unknown in ways he could process?
Looking down, if down was even a concept in the infinitely-dimensional realms of thought, it was clear how foolish and naive he had been to claim to have been the Speranza's master." – Gods of Mars
The warp itself is beyond dimensions
"Concerns of the material world intruded on his introspective plunge, and Magnus looked out on a world of shadows and deceit. He had passed from the realm of flesh to the realm of spirit without even thinking of it, and floated in a place without form and dimensions save any he desired to impose upon it. This was the entrance to the network, the nexus point that led into the labyrinth. This was what he had come to Aghoru to find." – A Thousand Sons
"Falling down a light-filled tunnel. Rushing motion, sickening vertigo. The sense of being drawn out of a chain a molecule thick. Connection was always difficult, but this...
This felt like it was stretching him past the breaking point.
Then, like taut elastic, he snapped back.
Vertigo, again. Motion blur, quickly followed by nausea. He fought it, knowing it wasn't real. Inner ear balance that wasn't his. A centre of gravity altered. Someone else's body.
New sensations, all unpleasant.
The nausea diminished. The sense of dislocation passed. Light and three-dimensional space unfolded. Dimensions had meaning, again. The vectors of X, Y, and Z restored." – Zero Day Exploit
@demonbane: Thanks for the information, dude. So Crimson King and Khorne are both baseline infinite dimensional, which would it make to a stalemate.
@yasindermann said:
@demonbane: Thanks for the information, dude. So Crimson King and Khorne are both baseline infinite dimensional, which would it make to a stalemate.
no CK is not baseline.CK is far above it
@demonbane: Um, Crimson Kings best feat is to oneshot a infinite dimensional multiverse, that was baseline infinite dimensional. Yes, he just scales to the baseline by feats.
@sungsam said:
@merulezall: You also think it's a stalemate?
I'm not sure because I'm not sure if the crimson king can wipe entire universes with but the snap of his finger, if he can do that and hes above universal then it will be a stalemate, if hes not then Khorne wins.
@reaperthegrim said:
@merulezall said:
@yasindermann said:
From that what I've heard, the wars in warhammer 40k are take place in a galaxy, which is not really impressive. When this is true, the crimson king mid-balled and even low-balled stomps. In the dark tower multiverse (low-balled), it was said that they are COUNTLESS universes in one dimension, not infinite. Countless means too many to count. So basically, still implied finite. And there were not infinite dimensions, since the dark tower had an end. But still, the Crimson King would scale to universal+ then, which is far greater than a galaxy. The mid-balled dark tower cosmology is a tower, where one dimension is infinite bigger than the previously infinite dimension, which would scale to infinite-dimensional. Don't know much about Khorne, but he should get stomped here.
Why would you assume a Chaos god who is a multi universe level being lose to someone around his same tier or lower...
If you don't know much about a sci fi why not ask before basing your answer on something super vague to begin with.
He did ask like five minutes later, read through the thread before you start being pretentious.
First of all, it's not hard to ask.
Secondly, where did he ask within this? His final answer in the first post was "I don't know enough but here's my answer." Show me please exactly where he asked for help?
@yasindermann said:
From that what I've heard, the wars in warhammer 40k are take place in a galaxy, which is not really impressive. When this is true, the crimson king mid-balled and even low-balled stomps. In the dark tower multiverse (low-balled), it was said that they are COUNTLESS universes in one dimension, not infinite. Countless means too many to count. So basically, still implied finite. And there were not infinite dimensions, since the dark tower had an end. But still, the Crimson King would scale to universal+ then, which is far greater than a galaxy. The mid-balled dark tower cosmology is a tower, where one dimension is infinite bigger than the previously infinite dimension, which would scale to infinite-dimensional. Don't know much about Khorne, but he should get stomped here.
@yasindermann said:
@sungsam Hope my anser could help!
@sungsam said:
Warhammer 40K also has an Infinite Dimensional Cosmology though.
@demonbane Might be able to help us on this context further. Because people keep telling me that Khorne is on CK's level.
@yasindermann said:
@sungsam: How big are those infinite dimensions? Do you now that.
@yasindermann said:
@sungsam: Anyway, when it's a infinite-dimensional cosmology, a low-balled crimson king get's stomped. When those dimensions in warhammer are finite, it would still be infinite+finite, which would still scale to infinite baseline multiversal, which is far greater than universal+.
@demonbane said:
the warp is connected to a multiverse not just 1 universe
"A miss indicates that the missile has left Warpspace at the wrong point – and this could be anywhere in any of the million universes." – Adeptus Titanicus, pg 37
"Ka’Bandha fell through the hidden spaces between worlds. The occulted gears of creation rushed by him. In the machineries of being were the inner secrets of the universe displayed to him. The daemonkin of Tzeentch would have damned a dozen eternities for a glimpse of what he saw, but Ka’Bandha did not care for knowledge. The things on display were valueless to him, and the wonders of infinity whirled by unappreciated. Ka’Bandha fell forever and for no time at all, until a wave of change rippled out through the multi-dimensional space he infected, upsetting the delicate workings of infinite, interleaved universes. Ka’Bandha howled in triumph. The promised storm had been unleashed." – The Devastation of Baal
The warp has infinite dimensions
"A glittering megalopolis spread before him, the flow of information that formed the hidden arteries of the Speranza. It was mountainous, rugged with hives of light and vast termite mounds of agglomerated data. Abyssal cliffs of contextually linked information hubs spiraled into fractal mazes of answers that led to ever more questions.
Datacores burned like newborn suns in constellations of linked neural networks. The Speranza was in constant dialogue with itself, learning and growing with every solution gained.
Heuristic in the purest sense of the word.
Every paradigm of scalable time, from the cosmic day to compression of universal history to a single hour, failed utterly to capture the datascape's infinite scope. Its mysteries went back to the first stone tools hacked from river bedrock and stretched into the Omega Point, the Logos, and the Hyparxis all in one.
And for all that this aspect of the Speranza was a place of knowledge and understanding, it was also one of metaphor, allusion, and maddening symbolism. Highways of light were easy enough to interpret, but what of the vast, serpentine coils arcing above and below to encircle the world before coming around to engulf itself? What of the conjoined helicies of light that split apart like the branches of a towering tree with its roots dug deep into the datascape? Could he even see these things truly or was his hominid brain simply interpreting the unknown in ways he could process?
Looking down, if down was even a concept in the infinitely-dimensional realms of thought, it was clear how foolish and naive he had been to claim to have been the Speranza's master." – Gods of Mars
The warp itself is beyond dimensions
"Concerns of the material world intruded on his introspective plunge, and Magnus looked out on a world of shadows and deceit. He had passed from the realm of flesh to the realm of spirit without even thinking of it, and floated in a place without form and dimensions save any he desired to impose upon it. This was the entrance to the network, the nexus point that led into the labyrinth. This was what he had come to Aghoru to find." – A Thousand Sons
"Falling down a light-filled tunnel. Rushing motion, sickening vertigo. The sense of being drawn out of a chain a molecule thick. Connection was always difficult, but this...
This felt like it was stretching him past the breaking point.
Then, like taut elastic, he snapped back.
Vertigo, again. Motion blur, quickly followed by nausea. He fought it, knowing it wasn't real. Inner ear balance that wasn't his. A centre of gravity altered. Someone else's body.
New sensations, all unpleasant.
The nausea diminished. The sense of dislocation passed. Light and three-dimensional space unfolded. Dimensions had meaning, again. The vectors of X, Y, and Z restored." – Zero Day Exploit
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