KFV vs Prime Vader (CANON)

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No rules

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Vader takes this

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Jokes aside Kfv wins high diff

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#6  Edited By NotTheGodMadara

KFV low diff

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KFV high diff

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I think it depends. KFV is probably a better duelist and has more raw power but Vader is undeniably more skilled with the force and has superior force abilities/application in combat.

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I’d side with KFV any day of the week.

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Suited Vader is better in every category other than agility, plus he has full knowledge on KFV. He exploits his younger versions' impatience and lack of control, and ultimately outplays him.

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KFV wins Mid-high diff.

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@kaore said:

Suited Vader is better in every category other than agility, plus he has full knowledge on KFV. He exploits his younger versions' impatience and lack of control, and ultimately outplays him.

His duelling is not as good.

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@kaore said:

Suited Vader is better in every category other than agility, plus he has full knowledge on KFV. He exploits his younger versions' impatience and lack of control, and ultimately outplays him.

In terms of Skill, Dueling capabilities, force power, and Speed Anakin is a full stomp above of Vader in fact its stated numerous times that Vader is significantly inferior to Anakin

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#16  Edited By Eredin12

@notthegodmadara:

In terms of Skill, Dueling capabilities, force power, and Speed Anakin is a full stomp above of Vader in fact its stated numerous times that Vader is significantly inferior to Anakin

Not only was that never stated, but only the exact opposite of that is stated numerous times. In case you did not read OP, this is strictly canon, where I do not think there is even one such quote.

@ieatnettles said:

Jokes aside Kfv wins high diff

Nah, ROTJ Vader is well above KFV by feats

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#17  Edited By normanale835

By feats, RoTJ Vader.

By statements, KFV Vader is Yoda level.

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Theres no way yall are saying KFA is Yoda level lol, hes already Yoda level pre KF during this short period of time before mustafar confliction nerf hes the most powerful Jedi/Sith

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Good fight. KFV is the slightly better duellist but ROTJ Vader is the more accomplished and skilful force user. If I had to choose, I’d go with ROTJ Vader because I think he could hang in duelling for long enough to realise he is being overwhelmed and then fall back on his force abilities, where he can gain the upper hand, ultimately leading to his victory

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This thread doesnt make sense

Prime vader(suited) is not RoTS its ROTJ like literally stated

Mustafar Anakin is a conflicted nerfed mess, and is what we talk about when we say Vader

and operation knightfall is the Jedi Purge where in that short amount of time Anakin was literally the strongest Jedi/sith of all time until his confliction on Mustafar

So why do yall keep ssaying ROTS Vader? Suited Vader is not only shown but stated numerous times even by Lucas himself to be weaker than Anakin in the age of the Republic

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@eredin12 said:

@notthegodmadara:

In terms of Skill, Dueling capabilities, force power, and Speed Anakin is a full stomp above of Vader in fact its stated numerous times that Vader is significantly inferior to Anakin

Not only was that never stated, but only the exact opposite of that is stated numerous times. In case you did not read OP, this is strictly canon, where I do not think there is even one such quote.

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Jokes aside Kfv wins high diff

Nah, ROTJ Vader is well above KFV by feats

Joke? no hes not and also hes stated to be massively below Anakin several times even by Lucas

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@eredin12: Kfv is Yoda and sidious teir. Vader has never shown he can win against people of that power

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#23  Edited By Eredin12

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@eredin12: Kfv is Yoda and sidious teir. Vader has never shown he can win against people of that power

Dooku is Yoda/Sidious tier, quite literally being stated to have evenly matched Yoda force-wise despite being exhausted before even fighting Yoda:

And yet Vader is confirmed to be light years more powerful than Dooku. Yoda was also unable to do anything against Zillo Beast, Vader one shot 75 times larger than Summa

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Joke? no hes not and also hes stated to be massively below Anakin several times even by Lucas

Lucas's quotes are not canon, actual officially published sources all state that Vader is >Anakin, and per Martin, a man who decides what is canon and what is not, they, not Lucas's random interviews, are what matters

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@eredin12: George has never once contradicted himself lmfao also creator statements are canon, Lucas knows starwars far better than anyone else why? because he created it, Martins tweet means jack lol

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@eredin12: zonanakin stomped dooku, who is confirmed on the same level or beneath Yoda and sidious. Vader doesn't have a single feat against another major character that puts him on the level of Yoda or sidious

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#29  Edited By RedSithDisciple

Why is this still a debate? Vader wins.

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@notthegodmadara: Lmao Martin's job literally is centered around regulating continuity, not to mention Lucas objectively has zero supremacy with Disney canon.

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#31  Edited By Ieatnettles

Why is this still a debate? Vader wins.

Exactly Vader stomps

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@notthegodmadara: Lmao Martin's job literally is centered around regulating continuity, not to mention Lucas objectively has zero supremacy with Disney canon.

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And this is supposed to prove what, lmfao he cant go in and change an author statement thats been reiterated throughout the canon numerous times even in current starwars with Filonis projects

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#33  Edited By RedSithDisciple

@notthegodmadara: He decides what is canonical and what's not. He has the power to say that Lucas's statements are not canonical to the actual story. Adding in that since G-canon no longer has supremacy, Lucas's statements most certainly are not as immovable as they might have once been.

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@redsithdisciple: Matts own words dont even make sense as the behind the scenes interviews as well as Lucas own words are backed up by the actual canon Tvshows/Comics/games/movies etc they literally back up the words Lucas states

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@notthegodmadara: Completely wrong. There are both statements and feats that blatantly show Vader > Anakin.

"He stared at his reflection a long time. His injuries had deformed his body, left it a ruin, but they’d perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight."

- Lords of the Sith

Tyranus is shown to be on Anakin's level and at best his match, while Vader is stated as light years more powerful than the former.

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We also have Vader one-shotting the Summa-Verminoth, stated to be larger than a Zillo Beast, which Anakin was incapable of beating alone.

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@notthegodmadara: Completely wrong. There are both statements and feats that blatantly show Vader > Anakin.

"He stared at his reflection a long time. His injuries had deformed his body, left it a ruin, but they’d perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight."

- Lords of the Sith

Tyranus is shown to be on Anakin's level and at best his match, while Vader is stated as light years more powerful than the former.

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We also have Vader one-shotting the Summa-Verminoth, stated to be larger than a Zillo Beast, which Anakin was incapable of beating alone.

Lol childrens book quotes don't hold up to on screen evidence. Vader struggled a bit with ashoka, who is definitely beneath dooku. Prime Vader would win against dooku high diff, rebels Vader would lose to him. Another example is Vader struggling with karbin while very near his prime. Karbin has the exact same parts as grevious, bar grevious' enhanced cybernetic brain and skill. So vader is most definitely not light years ahead of dooku

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@ieatnettles: This quote (which is talking specifically about power) is not invalidated in the slightest. You're using a pre-prime Vader who Ahsoka was confirmed no match for in terms of power, also shown by him one-shotting her with a force push. As for Karbin the exact same thing where Vader stomped him every time he used the force.

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#38  Edited By Ieatnettles

@redsithdisciple: yes but you need an opening to abuse the force and karbin was doing fine in dueling. I'm not saying the likes of grevious and Vader are close, just that there's not a stomp gap between Vader and Sidious' former apprentice

Vader also has two advantages in the ahsoka fight (malachor amped and trained her)

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#39  Edited By RedSithDisciple

@ieatnettles: Vader created the opening himself by forcing Ahsoka back and overwhelming her. Also this debate is about power. Dueling is a different point which I'll leave to someone else who wants to take your case.

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@ieatnettles: Vader created the opening himself by forcing Ahsoka back and overwhelming her. Also this debate is about power. Dueling is a different point which I'll leave to someone else who wants to take your case.

Oh you were talking Abt strictly power? He is definitely above both dooku and maul by a respectable amount, but not a stomp gap above them imo

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#41  Edited By Supreme101  Online

@ieatnettles: lmfao how deluded can you be? Vader never struggled against Ashoka in fact he completely wrecked her in the first half of their fight. She only got a hit in because his back was turned focused on Kanan and Ezra once their fight proceeds he nearly kills her. He never struggled against Karbin either he easily beat him and even killed him.

Edit: even if she did Ashoka as an early adult adult beat Maul. MAUL

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@supreme101: not exactly struggled more contended with (as in lasted a bit).

As I said by struggling I mean not beating easily. In Dueling Karbin was doing ok (if I can remember the fight correctly)

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#43  Edited By Ieatnettles

@supreme101: re watched the fight, karbin really didn't do that well but Karbin logically should be quite a bit less skilled than grevious considering hes new to his body, doesnt have a cyborg brain piece and doesn't have grevious' skill and experience

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KFV.

Smacking down Dooku in mere seconds is far better than anything I've seen from Suit Vader.

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#48  Edited By Eredin12
@ieatnettles said:

@eredin12: zonanakin stomped dooku, who is confirmed on the same level or beneath Yoda and sidious. Vader doesn't have a single feat against another major character that puts him on the level of Yoda or sidious

Why are you still repeating the same claim ? Yoda was powerless against Zillo's beast. As in, Yoda was not able to do anything to Zillo Beast. See it for yourself. 2: 50

Jedi says " We don't have much of an effect" and Yoda agrees, stating " time to leave it is"

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That is a fact. Summa is also 75 times larger than Zillo Beast. Summa is confirmed to be the most powerful predator in the galaxy. Summa is stronger than Zillo Beast. That is also a fact. Summa is, therefore>Yoda and Prime Vader stomped Summa. Thus, logic dictates that:

Prime Vader>Summa> Zillo Beast> Yoda. Vader himself is confirmed to be light years above Dooku who is on the level of Yoda and, as you can see, he very much has feats to back it up

And no, Vader did not struggle with either Ashoka or Karbin. He one-shot Ashoka with force and stomped her in 20 seconds of the duel when he was actually going all out in the second fight. That is not struggling any more than Dooku " struggled" with AOTC Anakin in AOTC because he did not one-shot him or something.

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KFV.

Smacking down Dooku in mere seconds is far better than anything I've seen from Suit Vader.

Why would that be better than smacking down Summa Verminoth in seconds?

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@redsithdisciple said:

@notthegodmadara:

We also have Vader one-shotting the Summa-Verminoth, stated to be larger than a Zillo Beast, which Anakin was incapable of beating alone.

The Summa-Zillo comparison doesn’t hold up as Vader was also incapable of defeating the Zillo Beast.