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#1 Posted by Mohamedelkhater (151 posts) - - Show Bio

The Fight Takes Place In Colosseum. Who Do Think Will Win?

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#2 Posted by MainJP (6394 posts) - - Show Bio

Nappa lifts his fingers.

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#3 Edited by Cramem (228 posts) - - Show Bio

Nappa will assume the yamcha position

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#4 Edited by deactivated-5cdf6a493c3c5 (84 posts) - - Show Bio
@cramem said:

Nappa will assume the yamcha position

This. You don't mess with Kenshiro when you cannot counter his techniques and Nappa can't.

It's the matchup raw power vs abilities and Ken wins handily.

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#5 Posted by SolidShadow134 (150 posts) - - Show Bio

can anybody post feats for kenshiro?

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#6 Posted by Cramem (228 posts) - - Show Bio

@brorw said:
@cramem said:

Nappa will assume the yamcha position

This. You don't mess with Kenshiro when you cannot counter his techniques and Nappa can't.

It's the matchup raw power vs abilities and Ken wins handily.

+ Kenshiro can use some OP techniques, like the Soryu Tenra, which summon a goddess that willt ake them in a different dimension where ki and magic cannot be used and therefore nappa won't be able to amp himself with his ki.

Or the Muso tensei, which allows him to become intangible.

Also, kenshiro is supposed to be stronger and faster than his uncle, who can do DBZ Cell saga stuff:

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Also, he punched falco so hard he created a shockwave that dispersed the clouds in the sky, which are 2-5 km away from them.

Also a 1000 Km3 wide cloud can weigh over 800 000 tons

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#7 Posted by deactivated-5cdf6a493c3c5 (84 posts) - - Show Bio

@cramem: + Muso Tensei, etc...

That's pretty much a mismatch.

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#8 Posted by DemonGod_PABLO (1730 posts) - - Show Bio

Nappa one shots

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#9 Posted by deactivated-5cdf6a493c3c5 (84 posts) - - Show Bio

Nappa one shots

How does he even touch Kenshiro ? His boxing is way too slow.

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#10 Posted by PreCrisisBardock (8931 posts) - - Show Bio

Nappa lifts fingers

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#11 Posted by ShuraGam (388 posts) - - Show Bio

Kenshiro can't do shit to Nappa before he gets one shotted.

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#12 Posted by Eeef (2147 posts) - - Show Bio

Nappa city busts.

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#13 Posted by batmanprep (1882 posts) - - Show Bio

you're already dead

Kenshiro pressure points Nappa into exploding body parts

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#14 Edited by Bossmountain (1214 posts) - - Show Bio

Nappa. His mouth cannon should have moon level AP scaling to goku something ken can't survive. His casual energy attack can vap cities something Ken also can't survive. And has city size range. Combat speed should be sub relativistic scaling from raditz. Ken get rekt.

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#15 Posted by Bossmountain (1214 posts) - - Show Bio

@brorw: nappa should sub relativistic scaling from raditz.

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#16 Posted by DemonGod_PABLO (1730 posts) - - Show Bio

@brorw: At the end of DB goku and piccolo were MHS and could destroy islands the size of continents. At the beginning of DBZ piccolo destroyed the moon with not even his strongest that piccolo was way weaker than nappa. Kenshiro isn’t always intangible so nappa one shots with a casual Ki blast. Kenshiro doesn’t have the speed or DC to keep up with DBZ characters

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#17 Edited by Cramem (228 posts) - - Show Bio

@bossmountain said:

@brorw: nappa should sub relativistic scaling from raditz.

XD, no he isn't.

Goku at the time, who was much faster than nappa, crossed the snakeway which is 1 million km long in one day and three hours. And he didn't even take the curves. He flew in a straight line, which means, he crossed 307 000 km in One day and three hours. Which means that his flying speed was 11,000 km/H (6,800 mp/h)

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His flying speed was only supersonic, at the time.

Nappa is slower than that

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#18 Posted by jonjizz (1139 posts) - - Show Bio

nappa should win, too much raw power

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#19 Edited by Absol123 (43 posts) - - Show Bio

Kenshiro in a huge stomps. He is much stronger and faster than any dbz character, at this point

The feats speaks for themselves.

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#20 Edited by Cramem (228 posts) - - Show Bio

@demongod_pablo said:

@brorw: At the end of DB goku and piccolo were MHS and could destroy islands the size of continents. At the beginning of DBZ piccolo destroyed the moon with not even his strongest that piccolo was way weaker than nappa. Kenshiro isn’t always intangible so nappa one shots with a casual Ki blast. Kenshiro doesn’t have the speed or DC to keep up with DBZ characters

Nah, it took dbz goku 6 months to cross the snakeway which is only 1 million km long. Which means that he was running at 228.3 KPH and it took him 27 hours to cross it, again, after his training with kaioh. Except this time, he was flying, so he didn't cross the curves. Which means he crossed 307,000 km, which means that his flying speed is 6,800 MP/H

And by the way Flying speed> running speed and combat speed.

PIccolo moon busting feat is an outlier since he was impressed with much less impressive feats, such as:

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#21 Posted by Bossmountain (1214 posts) - - Show Bio

@cramem: moon busting happen twice already and was supported by guidebook statements so it's not an outlier travel speed speed ain't Combat speed. In Dragon Ball Kid Goku was only able to move about 30 miles an hour but was able to react to bullets which move at several times the speed of sound

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#22 Posted by camilopezo (2082 posts) - - Show Bio

Even if the moon is a outlier, Nappa destroyed a metropolis by raising two fingers.

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#23 Edited by Bossmountain (1214 posts) - - Show Bio

@brorw: At the end of DB goku and piccolo were MHS and could destroy islands the size of continents. At the beginning of DBZ piccolo destroyed the moon with not even his strongest that piccolo was way weaker than nappa. Kenshiro isn’t always intangible so nappa one shots with a casual Ki blast. Kenshiro doesn’t have the speed or DC to keep up with DBZ characters

Basically this.

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#24 Edited by Cramem (228 posts) - - Show Bio

@bossmountain said:

@cramem: moon busting happen twice already and was supported by guidebook statements so it's not an outlier travel speed speed ain't Combat speed. In Dragon Ball Kid Goku was only able to move about 30 miles an hour but was able to react to bullets which move at several times the speed of sound

And in the two occasions, it was an outlier.

Roshi blew up the moon and yet roshi is less powerful than King piccolo

It doesn't matter how many times it happened in the past, since starting for the saiyan invasions, people started acting like it never happened. Which means it's an outlier.

I know travel speed =/= Combat speed. Travels speed is usually faster than combat speed.

Guns bullet can go from subsonic to Twice the speed of sound. Kenshiro blocked hiyo's 10 000 punches in an instant

Which is calculated to be mach 366.5. WIth the tenryu kokyu ho, the speed is multiplied by 3,33

And you don't need to be faster than bullets to dodge them. You can just aim dodge them. Batman has dodged many bullets in the past, that doesn't make him supersonic. He also dodged laser beams, does that mean he is lightspeed?

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#25 Edited by Bossmountain (1214 posts) - - Show Bio

@cramem: how could multiple showings be an outlier? by definition it's not an outlier.

Roshi destroys Moon in 17 seconds Piccolo who is stronger destroys moon in 7 Seconds guide book says that Goku at the end of Dragon Ball and early Z can destroy the moon as well. It's consistent.

"I know travel speed =/= Combat speed. Travels speed is usually faster than combat speed."

Actually it's usually the other way around most people can only run about 15 miles an hour but can still react to 100 mile-per-hour projectiles and could swing to Arms about 35 miles an hour.

"And you don't need to be faster than bullets to dodge them. You can just aim dodge them. Batman has dodged many bullets in the past, that doesn't make him supersonic. He also dodged laser beams, does that mean he is lightspeed?"

They weren't just dodging them he was deflecting them with power pole as they came his way and Roshi was catching them with his bare hands. If Batman could catch bullets out the air and slap away laser beams do we can talk about him having super Sonic combat speed.

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#26 Edited by Bossmountain (1214 posts) - - Show Bio

@cramem: Raditz have dogde Picolo ki blast at close which are fast enough to hit the moon in 7 sec making the attack over 500 times the speed of lighting. Nappa reaction speed is equal if not great so he should have no issue with Ken's speed.

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#27 Posted by Trndo (1085 posts) - - Show Bio

@cramem: how could multiple showings be an outlier? by definition it's not an outlier.

Roshi destroys Moon in 17 seconds Piccolo who is stronger destroys moon in 7 Seconds guide book says that Goku at the end of Dragon Ball and early Z can destroy the moon as well. It's consistent.

"I know travel speed =/= Combat speed. Travels speed is usually faster than combat speed."

Actually it's usually the other way around most people can only run about 15 miles an hour but can still react to 100 mile-per-hour projectiles and could swing to Arms about 35 miles an hour.

"And you don't need to be faster than bullets to dodge them. You can just aim dodge them. Batman has dodged many bullets in the past, that doesn't make him supersonic. He also dodged laser beams, does that mean he is lightspeed?"

They weren't just dodging them he was deflecting them with power pole as they came his way and Roshi was catching them with his bare hands. If Batman could catch bullets out the air and slap away laser beams do we can talk about him having super Sonic combat speed.

Hes just downplaying. You can explain all day to this guys but he will dismiss it even though it happened twice. Nappa flicks.

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#28 Edited by Cramem (228 posts) - - Show Bio

@bossmountain said:

@cramem: how could multiple showings be an outlier? by definition it's not an outlier.

These scans proves it's an outlier:
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Roshi destroys Moon in 17 seconds Piccolo who is stronger destroys moon in 7 Seconds guide book says that Goku at the end of Dragon Ball and early Z can destroy the moon as well. It's consistent.

Again, outlier.

"I know travel speed =/= Combat speed. Travels speed is usually faster than combat speed."

Actually it's usually the other way around most people can only run about 15 miles an hour but can still react to 100 mile-per-hour projectiles and could swing to Arms about 35 miles an hour.

I was talking about flying speed. How he flew back to earth in 1 day and 3 hours.

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They weren't just dodging them he was deflecting them with power pole as they came his way and Roshi was catching them with his bare hands. If Batman could catch bullets out the air and slap away laser beams do we can talk about him having super Sonic combat speed.

Aim dodging bro, you just need to put the pole in the direction of the bullet. Remember the first time he met Bulma and was shot in the forehead? The second time, he was shot in the back? And the third time, when he was shot by lunch, after he was trained by roshi?

He couldn't even dodge a missile at close range:

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Kid goku is stronger than adult goku. Toriyama even said, in an interview, that the whole dragon ball saga was a gag, a comedy.

I don't know why people tries to scale Real goku from Gag goku.

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@Trndo said:
@bossmountain said:

@cramem: how could multiple showings be an outlier? by definition it's not an outlier.

Roshi destroys Moon in 17 seconds Piccolo who is stronger destroys moon in 7 Seconds guide book says that Goku at the end of Dragon Ball and early Z can destroy the moon as well. It's consistent.

"I know travel speed =/= Combat speed. Travels speed is usually faster than combat speed."

Actually it's usually the other way around most people can only run about 15 miles an hour but can still react to 100 mile-per-hour projectiles and could swing to Arms about 35 miles an hour.

"And you don't need to be faster than bullets to dodge them. You can just aim dodge them. Batman has dodged many bullets in the past, that doesn't make him supersonic. He also dodged laser beams, does that mean he is lightspeed?"

They weren't just dodging them he was deflecting them with power pole as they came his way and Roshi was catching them with his bare hands. If Batman could catch bullets out the air and slap away laser beams do we can talk about him having super Sonic combat speed.

Hes just downplaying. You can explain all day to this guys but he will dismiss it even though it happened twice. Nappa flicks.

I'm just stating facts, you guys seems to have a lot of problem with outliers and types of speed.

And you are not well placed to talk about downplay since i saw you, several times downplaying saint seiya in "DB VS Saint seiya" threads

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#30 Posted by Bossmountain (1214 posts) - - Show Bio

@cramem: how? How does Vegeta warping the shape of the planet or Frieza scaring namek with 2 fingers or Nappa causing a create with one hand prove that proves Piccolo is not a moon buster?

"I was talking about flying speed. How he flew back to earth in 1 day and 3 hours."

It doesn't change the fact that his combat speech is still be higher.

"Aim dodging bro, you just need to put the pole in the direction of the bullet. Remember the first time he met Bulma and was shot in the forehead? The second time, he was shot in the back? And the third time, when he was shot by lunch, after he was trained by roshi?"

Roshi catching the bullets out the air is not aim dodging..dude.

"He couldn't even dodge a missile at close range:"

Clearly caught by surprise doing it multiple times where he kick back missiles with no problem

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#31 Posted by Bossmountain (1214 posts) - - Show Bio

@cramem: also deflecting bullets with power poles somehow counting as ain dodging literally makes no sense since he's not dodging at all.

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#32 Edited by emperorthanos- (16598 posts) - - Show Bio

Based on what I have seen this is a clear mismatch in Nappas favour

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