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Kenshin Himura takes on DC and Marvel's greatest swordsmen (you get to decide who they are) in a battle royal .. who wins?

steps:-

decide who's the greatest swordsman in DC and Marvel in terms of skill

pit both of them and kenshin in a battle royal

rules:-

morals off

states are equalized and every other powers are negated

win by ko, incap or death

fight is inside a dojo

who wins?

Bonus round:-

Kenshin Himura vs Virgil (DMC)

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#2  Edited By Sayo786

You should put Vergil from DMC. Hes a terrific swordsman and beats the shit out of kenshin in terms of skill.

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@sayo786 said:

You should put Vergil from DMC. Hes a terrific swordsman and beats the shit out of kenshin in terms of skill.

Skill? Based off what? His flashy sword fights with Dante? Either way, he's way too strong for kenshin in terms of raw stats anyway.

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@deathhero61: Read OP. He said stats are equalized. Vergil is by far the most skilled here and he has a hax NLF sword which can even cut apart dimensions. He godstomps if he was here.

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@sayo786:

Well .. OP further states .. that any other abilities are negated .. so there goes his sword's 'hax' ability .. it is a battle of swordsmanship skill ONLY

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@ssj_god: You do know yamato is a magical weapon right? You cant just take away its hax. You would have to change the weapon entirely. The "abilities" negated would be vergils summoned swords and his teleportation skills. You dont say thanos with IG with this and that negated. You either say Thanos without IG or thanos with IG. Vergil only uses his own weapon and unlike dante, he does not have a thing for other weapons. If you are removing his weapon and giving him another sword then thats stupid. Remove everyones swords here aswell because we know that vergil weilding a normal weapon would cause it to break because master swordsmans have their own swords which are always much stronger than steel and much sharper. Nice try at attempting to remove yamatos ability when it legit says that its meant to cut apart anything it touches.

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@sayo786: virgil gets a normal sword of the same shape .. and has same toughness as kenshin's.

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@ssj_god said:

@sayo786: virgil gets a normal sword of the same shape .. and has same toughness as kenshin's.

This doesn't even matter, he's not a DC or Marvel character....

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@sayo786: virgil gets a normal sword of the same shape .. and has same toughness as kenshin's.

This doesn't even matter, he's not a DC or Marvel character....

that is true .. i was just giving him the idea of this battle

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Fair enough. Vergil could lose if you negated his regen. While his skill may be top class, hes only masterful at using yamato to extreme levels. Yamato doesnt even need to slash, you could cut the air and it would damage enemies. Nvm since this battle doesnt include him.

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Fair enough. Vergil could lose if you negated his regen. While his skill may be top class, hes only masterful at using yamato to extreme levels. Yamato doesnt even need to slash, you could cut the air and it would damage enemies. Nvm since this battle doesnt include him.

The things your saying doesn't really make sense. Everything he did with specifically Yamato was due to its special powers and properties......this is why Nero and Dante could do the exact things you are describing with the sword....

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@deathhero61: Dude just no. Stop. We need to judge video game characters accordingly to their gameplay aswell. Not just cutscenes. Vergil is by far, the most skilled with yamato and while both sons of sparda have an innate mastery of weapons on their first touch, dante with rebellion and vergil with yamato are on an entirely different level. Notice how the most epic feats are performed with these weapons at hand. DMC4SE makes this even more evident. Just play Vergil and Dante on Darkslayer. Dante has one ground attack which is slow and clumsy, he has a weak aerial attack which everyone cancels just to get the combo going and he as two dimension slashes which are poor in comparison.

Vergil has loads of moves, hell even the very same ground combo for the yamato by vergil is much faster and smoother. He literally has Just Frame Dimensional slashes and even has judgement cut end. A slash so powerful that it one shots 60% enemies full hp on the whole screen.

Nero is the weakest. The reason he does not have any weapons apart from Red Queen and blue rose is because those weapons he built himself and has trained with them for a long time. He is 1/4th demon and hes vergils son. Due to him having a low demon heritage, he also cannot manifest his devil trigger properly and NEEDS yamato just to get into 1/4th devil trigger form. You see, even his attacks are clumsy.

If you have played even a single DMC game with these characters you would easily know, Nero playstyle is powerful, Dante is wild and crazy and vergil has elegant and swift. Which are the only parts which make this important. He used the yamato all his life ffs. There is no way dante or nero has even half the mastery vergil does. You should see him in cutscenes aswell in dmc3. Dante started off with his rebellion from when he was a child and vergil started with the yamato. Both these weapons are equal since both were given to the sons by sparda himself.

In DMC3, dante fights many bosses and some of them he fails to kill or get away. Vergil one shots those very bosses. A good example would be Beowulf. he fights dante but he lives and runs away. Next time, he sniffs out spardas scent only to find vergil since he could not see. He had utmost confidence that he would crush dante or atleast put up a strong fight. Vergil unsheathes his sword and Beowulf states right away ''You are not the one who i fought earlier''. He knew he had made a big mistake. You can gauge the powers of both yamato and rebellion from this. In the last end game fight, Vergil and dante still go evenly but then dante gets the upper hand due to plot reasons and wins.

This is like saying captain america can easily block a barrage of ''X'' attacks but its his shield letting him do so and If i had that shield, i too would block every attack. This is wrong on so many levels.

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@deathhero61: Dude just no. Stop. We need to judge video game characters accordingly to their gameplay aswell. Not just cutscenes. Vergil is by far, the most skilled with yamato and while both sons of sparda have an innate mastery of weapons on their first touch, dante with rebellion and vergil with yamato are on an entirely different level. Notice how the most epic feats are performed with these weapons at hand. DMC4SE makes this even more evident. Just play Vergil and Dante on Darkslayer. Dante has one ground attack which is slow and clumsy, he has a weak aerial attack which everyone cancels just to get the combo going and he as two dimension slashes which are poor in comparison.

......None of this negates my point..... the skills he does have are impressive, and he's skilled enough to master a particular unique style based off the powers of said weapon, but that doesn't translate to actual sword skill. If you want I can make a literal respect thread of specifically skill feats for Kenshin to give you an understanding of why this thread was even made to begin with.

Vergil has loads of moves, hell even the very same ground combo for the yamato by vergil is much faster and smoother. He literally has Just Frame Dimensional slashes and even has judgement cut end. A slash so powerful that it one shots 60% enemies full hp on the whole screen.

Missing the point.....

Nero is the weakest. The reason he does not have any weapons apart from Red Queen and blue rose is because those weapons he built himself and has trained with them for a long time. He is 1/4th demon and hes vergils son. Due to him having a low demon heritage, he also cannot manifest his devil trigger properly and NEEDS yamato just to get into 1/4th devil trigger form. You see, even his attacks are clumsy.

What does this have to do with my point????

If you have played even a single DMC game with these characters you would easily know, Nero playstyle is powerful, Dante is wild and crazy and vergil has elegant and swift. Which are the only parts which make this important. He used the yamato all his life ffs. There is no way dante or nero has even half the mastery vergil does. You should see him in cutscenes aswell in dmc3. Dante started off with his rebellion from when he was a child and vergil started with the yamato. Both these weapons are equal since both were given to the sons by sparda himself.

This has nothing to do with what I said. I simply said that the specific UNIQUE TECHNIQUES of the sword itself can be used by Nero and Dante, its just that Vergil is obviously more skilled due to his unique swordplay.

In DMC3, dante fights many bosses and some of them he fails to kill or get away. Vergil one shots those very bosses. A good example would be Beowulf. he fights dante but he lives and runs away. Next time, he sniffs out spardas scent only to find vergil since he could not see. He had utmost confidence that he would crush dante or atleast put up a strong fight. Vergil unsheathes his sword and Beowulf states right away ''You are not the one who i fought earlier''. He knew he had made a big mistake. You can gauge the powers of both yamato and rebellion from this. In the last end game fight, Vergil and dante still go evenly but then dante gets the upper hand due to plot reasons and wins.

Dante holds back and plays around...Vergil mercilessly kills his opponents...

This is like saying captain america can easily block a barrage of ''X'' attacks but its his shield letting him do so and If i had that shield, i too would block every attack. This is wrong on so many levels.

What are you even talking about now?????? You are going completely off topic and missed the entire point of this thread and what I was saying in general. This is a battle of legit skill in swordplay, not "oh he can do this and that with yamato so he's more skilled" What specific feats has he shown during swordplay that makes him more skilled than Kenshin? For example you could have shown Vergil's feat of cutting down Dante's bullets and lining them up perfectly to send them back at him or skillfully twirling his sword to deflect his bullets as well, you could have brought up his Iai draw technique that he does during his darkslayer style and etc. etc. You're just bringing up random nonsense.....

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@deathhero61: No i was just givig you some info to make you realize that yamato works best in vergils hands. Also vergil is skilled enough to block dantes magical bullets and literally catch them on the tip of his sword and line them up on the ground just by using his sword, he even has pin point perfect accurate spacing between the bullets he does this for.

Ebony and Ivory are OP pistols. Firstly they are magical. Secondly they change trajectory mid air. Thirdly, they can one shot lords of hell bosses easily. My only reason for mentioning gameplay was because its common that in a game like dmc which is huge for its deep combat, vergils attacks are much more powerful and faster than dante or nero weilding it. This is not even a question and also i wanted to tell you that all feats where vergil does not cut stuff but catches it instead are his skill feats. Simply because yamato is made to cut upon touch. He would need to make sure that his sharp side of yamato does not cut dantes bullets and he does this casually after being weakened alot. Vergil definetly is more skilled than kenshin.

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@deathhero61: No i was just givig you some info to make you realize that yamato works best in vergils hands.Alsovergil is skilled enough to block dantes magical bullets and literally catch them on the tip of his sword and line them up on the ground just by using his sword, he even has pin point perfect accurate spacing between the bullets he does this for.

I already knew this....heck I already mentioned the exact feat you are bringing up.....

Ebony and Ivory are OP pistols. Firstly they are magical. Secondly they change trajectory mid air. Thirdly, they can one shot lords of hell bosses easily. My only reason for mentioning gameplay was becauseits common that in a game like dmc which is huge for its deep combat, vergils attacks are much more powerful and faster than dante or neroweilding it. This is not even a question and also i wanted to tell you that all feats where vergil does not cut stuff but catches it instead are his skill feats. Simply because yamato is made to cut upon touch. He would need to make sure that his sharp side of yamato does not cut dantes bullets and he does this casually after being weakened alot. Vergil definetly is more skilled than kenshin.

Change trajectory in mid-air? Proof? Also Most of the things you are saying are related to power, not skill. You want skill?

Here's a list of skill feats from Kenshin's respect thread on reddit. Actually look at these, they are a lot more in depth then you think they are. No matter what flashy things you want to say about Vergil. His raw skill is mostly over the top nonsense, he's skilled for sure but in a different sense than Kenshin.

Skill:

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@deathhero61 said:
@sayo786 said:

Fair enough. Vergil could lose if you negated his regen. While his skill may be top class, hes only masterful at using yamato to extreme levels. Yamato doesnt even need to slash, you could cut the air and it would damage enemies. Nvm since this battle doesnt include him.

The things your saying doesn't really make sense. Everything he did with specifically Yamato was due to its special powers and properties......this is why Nero and Dante could do the exact things you are describing with the sword....

Yes lets pretend that Dante and Nero arent Also Ridiculously skilled Swordsmen. To think that anyone could just pick up Yamato and use the same techniques is speculation at best as its only been handled in the same manner by people who are highly familiar with such weaponry.

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@wewlad80 said:
@deathhero61 said:
@sayo786 said:

Fair enough. Vergil could lose if you negated his regen. While his skill may be top class, hes only masterful at using yamato to extreme levels. Yamato doesnt even need to slash, you could cut the air and it would damage enemies. Nvm since this battle doesnt include him.

The things your saying doesn't really make sense. Everything he did with specifically Yamato was due to its special powers and properties......this is why Nero and Dante could do the exact things you are describing with the sword....

Yes lets pretend that Dante and Nero arent Also Ridiculously skilled Swordsmen. To think that anyone could just pick up Yamato and use the same techniques is speculation at best as its only been handled in the same manner by people who are highly familiar with such weaponry.

......those techniques are techniques unique to the sword itself. And Nero is a brawler at best, he isn't that skilled. Dante, however, has dealt with Vergil for several years and has dealt with his technique first hand. And you're all missing the point of this thread......

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@deathhero61 said:
@wewlad80 said:
@deathhero61 said:
@sayo786 said:

Fair enough. Vergil could lose if you negated his regen. While his skill may be top class, hes only masterful at using yamato to extreme levels. Yamato doesnt even need to slash, you could cut the air and it would damage enemies. Nvm since this battle doesnt include him.

The things your saying doesn't really make sense. Everything he did with specifically Yamato was due to its special powers and properties......this is why Nero and Dante could do the exact things you are describing with the sword....

Yes lets pretend that Dante and Nero arent Also Ridiculously skilled Swordsmen. To think that anyone could just pick up Yamato and use the same techniques is speculation at best as its only been handled in the same manner by people who are highly familiar with such weaponry.

......those techniques are techniques unique to the sword itself. Okay ? What does that have to do with skill as a swordsmen ? Some techniques are unique to Rapiers for example, Does that mean if you are skilled enough to use them it doesnt mean you arent a skilled swordsmen because its a technique that belongs to only that weapon ?And Nero is a brawler at best, he isn't that skilled. Absolute baseless Bullshit, Youre going to tell me that Nero can keep up with Dante because hes just more powerful and a brute ?, No.Nero is as skilled as Dante and Vergil, It would be Asinine and total fanfic to claim that Nero just outright keeps up with Pre Majin Dante just because hes as powerful Dante, however, has dealt with Vergil for several years and has dealt with his technique first hand. Yes so he must be a pretty damn skilled Swordsmen to just pick up his brothers sword and figure out said technique's from watching him fight And you're all missing the point of this thread......

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......those techniques are techniques unique to the sword itself. Okay ? What does that have to do with skill as a swordsmen ? Some techniques are unique to Rapiers for example, Does that mean if you are skilled enough to use them it doesnt mean you arent a skilled swordsmen because its a technique that belongs to only that weapon ?And Nero is a brawler at best, he isn't that skilled. Absolute baseless Bullshit, Youre going to tell me that Nero can keep up with Dante because hes just more powerful and a brute ?, No.Nero is as skilled as Dante and Vergil, It would be Asinine and total fanfic to claim that Nero just outright keeps up with Pre Majin Dante just because hes as powerful Dante, however, has dealt with Vergil for several years and has dealt with his technique first hand. Yes so he must be a pretty damn skilled Swordsmen to just pick up his brothers sword and figure out said technique's from watching him fight And you're all missing the point of this thread......

1. Yamato is an entirely separate example, an extreme example. You cannot compare it to a standard sword and then say Vergil is more skilled than someone else because of it. And the techniques are magical based techniques, they aren't martial art techniques. Wh

2. Dante was playing around with Nero the entire time.... I really hope you aren't attempting to put Nero on the same tier as Dante and Vergil.... when Dante is leagues above him in every single stat.

3. A sword that Dante has used before. Dante and Vergil are familiar with each others weapons..... they have both had their hands on each other's weapons, and fought each other constantly......

And again we are going off topic.... can we just drop this and move on?

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......those techniques are techniques unique to the sword itself. Okay ? What does that have to do with skill as a swordsmen ? Some techniques are unique to Rapiers for example, Does that mean if you are skilled enough to use them it doesnt mean you arent a skilled swordsmen because its a technique that belongs to only that weapon ?And Nero is a brawler at best, he isn't that skilled. Absolute baseless Bullshit, Youre going to tell me that Nero can keep up with Dante because hes just more powerful and a brute ?, No.Nero is as skilled as Dante and Vergil, It would be Asinine and total fanfic to claim that Nero just outright keeps up with Pre Majin Dante just because hes as powerful Dante, however, has dealt with Vergil for several years and has dealt with his technique first hand. Yes so he must be a pretty damn skilled Swordsmen to just pick up his brothers sword and figure out said technique's from watching him fight And you're all missing the point of this thread......

1. Yamato is an entirely separate example, an extreme example. It is but its still very comparable You cannot compare it to a standard sword and then say Vergil is more skilled than someone else because of it. And the techniques are magical based techniques, they aren't martial art techniques.Where did you obtain this information out of curiosity ? Any scans ?

2. Dante was playing around with Nero the entire time.... Doubtful, Dante was clearly going for the kill in their second fight, He only stopped after the last strike I really hope you aren't attempting to put Nero on the same tier as Dante and Vergil.... He is in their league skill wise when Dante is leagues above him in every single stat. Physically yes

3. A sword that Dante has used before. Dante and Vergil are familiar with each others weapons..... they have both had their hands on each other's weapons, and fought each other constantly...... So they must be very skilled, No ?

And again we are going off topic.... can we just drop this and move on?

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No one really comes to mind in terms of Sword Play honestly in DC or Marvel. I don't think any of them could Beat Kenshin anyway, Kenshin is kinda monsterous thanks to Hiten Mitsurugi-ryu. If he had the proper body type for the sword style he might have ended up being one of the most OP Street level swordsmen in fiction.

Also as someone who not only backs DMC constantly on this site, and thinks Vergil and Dante especially are very underrated in terms of skill (they are underrated in general) neither of them have the feats to say they are more skilled than Kenshin at swords play. At best you could say they would be problems for him but I wouldn't back them for more than 1/10 stats and weapons equalized and probably not even that.

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@wewlad80 said:
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......those techniques are techniques unique to the sword itself. Okay ? What does that have to do with skill as a swordsmen ? Some techniques are unique to Rapiers for example, Does that mean if you are skilled enough to use them it doesnt mean you arent a skilled swordsmen because its a technique that belongs to only that weapon ?And Nero is a brawler at best, he isn't that skilled. Absolute baseless Bullshit, Youre going to tell me that Nero can keep up with Dante because hes just more powerful and a brute ?, No.Nero is as skilled as Dante and Vergil, It would be Asinine and total fanfic to claim that Nero just outright keeps up with Pre Majin Dante just because hes as powerful Dante, however, has dealt with Vergil for several years and has dealt with his technique first hand. Yes so he must be a pretty damn skilled Swordsmen to just pick up his brothers sword and figure out said technique's from watching him fight And you're all missing the point of this thread......

1. Yamato is an entirely separate example, an extreme example. It is but its still very comparable You cannot compare it to a standard sword and then say Vergil is more skilled than someone else because of it. And the techniques are magical based techniques, they aren't martial art techniques.Where did you obtain this information out of curiosity ? Anyscans ?

What proof do you need? What proof do you have that the ranged flying slashes and the dimension cutting attacks are martial arts techniques?????

2. Dante was playing around with Nero the entire time.... Doubtful, Dante was clearly going for the kill in their second fight, He only stopped after the last strike I really hope you aren't attempting to put Nero on the same tier as Dante and Vergil.... He is in their league skill wise when Dante is leagues above him in every single stat. Physically yes

What fight were you watching????? Nero violently lashed out, and threw out attacks randomly hoping for them to land, and near the end of their fight, Nero gets lucky and disarms him, Dante casually smacks him on the head while dodging his thrust, then catches his sword like nothing happened.

https://youtu.be/Z_gSJe60g20

At 4:36 Nero even says "You look as if you were playing me from the beginning." There is literally nothing suggesting they are on the same level skillwise, especially when you look at both of their movesets and how they fight, and the difference in experience and age.

3. A sword that Dante has used before. Dante and Vergil are familiar with each others weapons..... they have both had their hands on each other's weapons, and fought each other constantly...... So they must be very skilled, No ?

What's your point????? The original debate I was having with the other guys up above was in regards to Kenshin's skill in relation to Vergil's. Everything you mentioned is irrelevant, idiotic, has ignored context and actual lore of the series and isn't even relevant to any of the points I made already let alone this entire thread. Vergil isn't a DC character, he isn't a marvel character, and you quite frankly haven't countered anything. You just brought up new topics that have nothing to do with the discussion I was having....

And again we are going off topic.... can we just drop this and move on?

Feel free to reply if you like, I'm done here.

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No one really comes to mind in terms of Sword Play honestly in DC or Marvel. I don't think any of them could Beat Kenshin anyway, Kenshin is kinda monsterous thanks to Hiten Mitsurugi-ryu. If he had the proper body type for the sword style he might have ended up being one of the most OP Street level swordsmen in fiction.

Also as someone who not only backs DMC constantly on this site, and thinks Vergil and Dante especially are very underrated in terms of skill (they are underrated in general) neither of them have the feats to say they are more skilled than Kenshin at swords play. At best you could say they would be problems for him but I wouldn't back them for more than 1/10 stats and weapons equalized and probably not even that.

agreed. Kenshin is a beast with sword play. out of DC/marvel, id say he would probably take out anybody with mid difficulty.

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@wewlad80 said:
@deathhero61 said:

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......those techniques are techniques unique to the sword itself. Okay ? What does that have to do with skill as a swordsmen ? Some techniques are unique to Rapiers for example, Does that mean if you are skilled enough to use them it doesnt mean you arent a skilled swordsmen because its a technique that belongs to only that weapon ?And Nero is a brawler at best, he isn't that skilled. Absolute baseless Bullshit, Youre going to tell me that Nero can keep up with Dante because hes just more powerful and a brute ?, No.Nero is as skilled as Dante and Vergil, It would be Asinine and total fanfic to claim that Nero just outright keeps up with Pre Majin Dante just because hes as powerful Dante, however, has dealt with Vergil for several years and has dealt with his technique first hand. Yes so he must be a pretty damn skilled Swordsmen to just pick up his brothers sword and figure out said technique's from watching him fight And you're all missing the point of this thread......

1. Yamato is an entirely separate example, an extreme example. It is but its still very comparable You cannot compare it to a standard sword and then say Vergil is more skilled than someone else because of it. And the techniques are magical based techniques, they aren't martial art techniques.Where did you obtain this information out of curiosity ? Anyscans ?

What proof do you need? What proof do you have that the ranged flying slashes and the dimension cutting attacks are martial arts techniques?????So you are saying that literally anyone can pick up Yamato and Perform Judgment Cuts and Slash Dimensions ?

2. Dante was playing around with Nero the entire time.... Doubtful, Dante was clearly going for the kill in their second fight, He only stopped after the last strike I really hope you aren't attempting to put Nero on the same tier as Dante and Vergil.... He is in their league skill wise when Dante is leagues above him in every single stat. Physically yes

What fight were you watching????? Nero violently lashed out, and threw out attacks randomly hoping for them to land, and near the end of their fight, Nero gets lucky and disarms him, Dante casually smacks him on the head while dodging his thrust, then catches his sword like nothing happened. And yet Nero is the brute ?

https://youtu.be/Z_gSJe60g20

At 4:36 Nero even says "You look as if you were playing me from the beginning." There is literally nothing suggesting they are on the same level skillwise, especially when you look at both of their movesets and how they fight, and the difference in experience and age. He clearly meant that he wasnt using his full power

3. A sword that Dante has used before. Dante and Vergil are familiar with each others weapons..... they have both had their hands on each other's weapons, and fought each other constantly...... So they must be very skilled, No ?

What's your point????? The original debate I was having with the other guys up above was in regards to Kenshin's skill in relation to Vergil's.I dont careEverything you mentioned is irrelevant, idiotic, has ignored context and actual lore of the series and isn't even relevant to any of the points I made already let alone this entire thread.Better than your Baseless Downplaying

And again we are going off topic.... can we just drop this and move on?

Feel free to reply if you like, I'm done here.

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@cerberus369616: Hey buddy, list kenshins absolute best feat and im dead serious that vergils feat of catching dantes bullets with the tip of his sword, holding thr bullets sideways on his blade for a few moments then placing them on the ground perfectly truimps every feat kenshin has.

oh and remember stats equalized means kenshins speed is equal. Do not pull out a speed feat like DeathHero has done.

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@sayo786 said:

@cerberus369616: Hey buddy, list kenshins absolute best feat and im dead serious that vergils feat of catching dantes bullets with the tip of his sword, holding thr bullets sideways on his blade for a few moments then placing them on the ground perfectly truimps every feat kenshin has.

oh and remember stats equalized means kenshins speed is equal. Do not pull out a speed feat like DeathHero has done.

That's really more of a Agility and Reaction feat than a skill feat, Vergil could not replicate that without his supersonic physicals. All of Kenshin's feats are done as a Peak human arguably. Again it's no doubt impressive what Vergil did but 1. It's his only notable feat to argue skill other than matching Dante and 2. It required physicals beyond what he has here.

Kenshin has spun his sword fast enough to deflect fire using an entire barrel of oil and in general just more skill showings than Vergil. You've even already said yourself Vergil with equal stats and no Yamato would lose so i dunno why your coming for me. Kenshin has not only performed against multiple skilled opponents of varying styles but has displayed keen battle sense for picking out an opponents weakness and a knowledge of the human anatomy including vital points. Against Chou the hunter he catches a sword designed like a whip using nothing but his sheath. He's mastered new Sword techniques in a single day or after seeing it just once even discerning how techniques he's never seen before operate. He learns the secret behind Amakake-ryu no Hirameki in a day with nothing but a hint from his master. Vergil hasn't even shown the aptitude to instantly master weapons like Dante has since the only Devil arm we have ever seen him pick up is Beowulf which just requires him to use Hand to hand combat.

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DMC get his daily wank even in other universes threads...

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@sayo786 said:

@cerberus369616: Hey buddy, list kenshins absolute best feat and im dead serious that vergils feat of catching dantes bullets with the tip of his sword, holding thr bullets sideways on his blade for a few moments then placing them on the ground perfectly truimps every feat kenshin has.

oh and remember stats equalized means kenshins speed is equal. Do not pull out a speed feat like DeathHero has done.

What the actual hell are you talking about? I showed skill feats.... and you haven't shown a single skill related showing asides from Vergil doing over the top feats related to superhuman speed(which you didn't even bother putting a video or scan for)

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Too much DMC in this thread lol...

On topic: it's hard to think of a swordsman in DC or Marvel that has skill showings above Kenshin that doesn't rely on enhanced physicals or some extra ability they may have. Like Gorgon from Marvel is good, but part of his skill showings are at least attributable to his enhanced mutant powers and TP I think.

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@cerberus369616: How is kenshin spinning his sword at extreme levels to deflect gunfire not a stat feat aswell? Do you even know how fast your sword would need to be spun to stop gunfire from passing through? That is kenshi's combat speed feat. Hence invalid aswell. Like i said, kenshin is not truimphing in skills.

Honestly idk why you are even arguing against me. Dante and vergil were equal in stats. All the amazing skill showings in dante vs vergil first fight should be used here. Now im not talking about slicing apart raindrops. Im talking about continously attacking and counter attacking against a being who has absolute pin point accuracy(dante). If dante is able to shoot a white pool ball midair casually at such an angle that it would deflect certain balls to hit certain enemies then its crystal clear that dante is FAR more skilled than kenshin.

Like seriously, he only flipped a table and shot. That is not a superhuman feat. Even i could do that but i wouldnt hit any balls, let alone make them move in specific areas after being deflected. This was with his guns which dante forged later on. He had rebellion way before he made his guns as the sword was given to him by his father in his childhood and i doubt dante even knew about making guns at 6 year old. Naturally dante should be more skilled with his rebellion. If vergil matched dante and beat him in the first fight which had thousands of blows aimed at each other then vergil is atleast as skilled as dante.

Also the deciding factor of the first fight between the brothers was, vergil and dante clash, they learn that they are literally equal, vergil twists his blade during a power struggle sword clash, adjusts it at an angle and powers to disarm dante and send his rebellion flying. The camera even zooms on this part lmao. Vergil is very skilled. I have played lots of DMC and as much as i hate video game characters, DMC is too underrated here.

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@sayo786: you should probably read the OP, not trying to be rude but if you wanna talk about DMC abilities you should create your own thread and not derail this one.

O T: I can't really think of someone as skilled as him.

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@kamishini: Yes it was not a right thing to do. I felt that there were many more people who could qualify for this battle. I was not going to talk about dmc until people started arguing back that i am wrong about this and that and from there, im just choosing to debate back towards them. Sorry for de railing alittle.

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@sayo786 said:

@cerberus369616: Hey buddy, list kenshins absolute best feat and im dead serious that vergils feat of catching dantes bullets with the tip of his sword, holding thr bullets sideways on his blade for a few moments then placing them on the ground perfectly truimps every feat kenshin has.

oh and remember stats equalized means kenshins speed is equal. Do not pull out a speed feat like DeathHero has done.

catching a Sword with nothing but his bare hands.

in the manga it was stated that out of over 500 schools of kenjutsu(the art of swordsmanship, or combat with a sword) there is only 1 single move designed to catch a sword bare handed. and its not even apart of the line of teachings that kenshin was taught and trained with.

not only was ken shin already wounded, not only was going against a opponent with a shortened wakizashi sword, which was basicly faster then a normal katana,not only was he mid Combat, but he used a move he's never used before, that he was never formally taught but he perfectly straight up caught the sword, barehanded, and nearly broke the guys throat with it. and this was an opponent, who up until this moment, has a massive speed and defensive advantage on kenshin.

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but thats just one flashy move. mid-battle Kenshin was able to analyze his opponents fighting style(same guy with the shortened wakazashi) and figuring out that the extra reach of his katana, while normally a good thing defensively to keep opponents at a distance, was basicly preventing him from breaking through his enemies defenses(because of the smaller wakazashi, he's able to defend faster at a shorter distance, keeping ken shin from getting past his guard, but allowing him to counter attack easier and quicker)

mid battle, he figured this out, and without betraying his movements, shifted his grip from the handle of the blade, to the actual blade itself, making sure to keep grab on the most blunt section, but still reducing the size enough to close the gap and land a throat hit.

while this doesn't sound like much, keep in mind, with samurai, you were so used to fighting with a balanced blade, the blades are usually always made to have a perfect balance at the handle/hilt, even going up 5-7 inches like he did throws the entire balance of the sword off completely(on top of being a backwards blade as it is). he was able to analyze the battle, Figure out a strategy. implement the strategy

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Basicly, by doing this with the blade, he was able to get his body within reach to land a near fatal blow, without his opponent even knowing it, as the tip of his blade never got any closer.

also keep in mind, he did this:

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and these are just a few things from literally just a few chapters of a whole series, and these are not even close to the most impressive. these are just a few examples of his skill (with the last being a strength feat showing the skill he has throwing around his power, which again is only peak human)

dante/vergil/ETC are impressive, but messing with bullets is not as impressive when you have the level of speed they do.

its honestly easy to do that type of stuff with bullets when you casual fighting speed is above the high-supersonics-hyper sonic.

thats like saying that it would be impressive that Quicksilver Can line up the bullets, when he can literally move so fast that he can pick the bullets out of the air. doesn't make him more "skilled" but just fast enough to easily react to and maneuver around them.

with that being said, again, i dont see any body in DC or Marvel who can replicate feats that kenshin can do, after removing their speed/strength or bringing it down to peak human/kenshins level. for me, one of the most impressive parts of kenshins skill is, as far s speed goes, a lot of his opponents ARE faster then him to begin with. he's just that skilled, that he finds and uses ways to get around, react to or bypass their speed and use it to his advantage.

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You know what .. i'm gonna add virgil into the battle .. since the thread has so many posts about that XD

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@chair-sama: That is quite impressive.. except that vergil also masters a weapon greatly by merely touching it. As soon as he obtained beowulf, he had mastered it to such an insane degree that he had lunar phase which we did not need to purchase to obtain. Think of it as this way, some ways which we need to purchase can be thought of in a sense that dante or vergil learns those by using red orbs which are demon blood crystals. They are exchanged for new powers in dmc. Vergil's lunar phase is the best beowulf move and he starts off with it.

Yes i understand how you mean that they are not impressive in the sense that dante is fast enough to take his time to aim the bullet but nonetheless this is a huge skill feat. The most he can do is aim his bullet. He never moved to check any angles of the balls. He simpl stood there and shot the bullet which caused a chain reaction of pool balls, hitting all his enemies in a neat fashion. Kenshin has not demonstrated this.

Also you say that vergil is only winning because hes stronger in stats. You ignored dante vs vergil first fight. He won that purely because of his skill. Tell me whats more impressive, doing any of kenshins feats which you listed or exchanging thousands of blows against someone who is your literal equal and has insane godly pin point accuracy?

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except that vergil also masters a weapon greatly by merely touching it. As soon as he obtained beowulf, he had mastered it to such an insane degree that he had lunar phase which we did not need to purchase to obtain. Think of it as this way, some ways which we need to purchase can be thought of in a sense that dante or vergil learns those by using red orbs which are demon blood crystals. They are exchanged for new powers in dmc. Vergil's lunar phase is the best beowulf move and he starts off with it.

Dude, everything you just described are game mechanics. That says nothing about skill... Game mechanics aren't feats...

Yes i understand how you mean that they are not impressive in the sense that dante is fast enough to take his time to aim the bullet but nonetheless this is a huge skill feat.

It's not a sword skill feat, which is the entire point of this thread. Even if the OP is now allowing Vergil, you're still taking things off topic lol.

He simpl stood there and shot the bullet which caused a chain reaction of pool balls, hitting all his enemies in a neat fashion. Kenshin has not demonstrated this.

Because he's not a gunman...

Also you say that vergil is only winning because hes stronger in stats. You ignored dante vs vergil first fight. He won that purely because of his skill. Tell me whats more impressive, doing any of kenshins feats which you listed or exchanging thousands of blows against someone who is your literal equal and has insane godly pin point accuracy?

Kenshin's feats by far, lol. Mainly because those things listed for Kenshin are you know... actual sword skill showings... Furthermore, he's fought people that outstat him in one or more categories. Edging out a win against someone who is your equal is not impressive by comparison.

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@cerberus369616: How is kenshin spinning his sword at extreme levels to deflect gunfire not a stat feat aswell? Do you even know how fast your sword would need to be spun to stop gunfire from passing through? That is kenshi's combat speed feat. Hence invalid aswell. Like i said, kenshin is not truimphing in skills.

He doesn't deflect gunfire, it's just normal fire, where as Vergil is creating an almost impenetrable barrier and intercepting supersonic (maybe faster since Dante's bullets are Magic) projectiles where as Kenshin is just spinning his blade to create a fan with enough air pressure to counteract the blowing from a human since the fire was being spit out. The skill part his how long he was able to maintain it specifically draining stopping enough fire to drain an entire drum of oil. Spinning a weapon at high speed for a moment is easy enough for anyone to do but maintaining the revolutions with one hand for dozens of seconds possibly minutes with human stats is amazing.

Honestly idk why you are even arguing against me. Dante and vergil were equal in stats. All the amazing skill showings in dante vs vergil first fight should be used here. Now im not talking about slicing apart raindrops. Im talking about continously attacking and counter attacking against a being who has absolute pin point accuracy(dante). If dante is able to shoot a white pool ball midair casually at such an angle that it would deflect certain balls to hit certain enemies then its crystal clear that dante is FAR more skilled than kenshin.

Like seriously, he only flipped a table and shot. That is not a superhuman feat. Even i could do that but i wouldnt hit any balls, let alone make them move in specific areas after being deflected. This was with his guns which dante forged later on. He had rebellion way before he made his guns as the sword was given to him by his father in his childhood and i doubt dante even knew about making guns at 6 year old. Naturally dante should be more skilled with his rebellion. If vergil matched dante and beat him in the first fight which had thousands of blows aimed at each other then vergil is atleast as skilled as dante.

Dante's Accuracy with gun has no bearing on his Swordsmanship beyond reflex and perception showings which are again stats. TIme literally slows down for a second to emulate the way things look from Dante's perspective. He has already even scoffed at the idea of swordsmanship and shown a clear preference for guns when Trish attacked him in DMC1. I've already said Dante and Vergil have great skill, but the problem they run into is the one people with stats always run into. Wonder Woman and Thor by all statements and logic regarding the extent of their training should be massively skilled. Far more in theory than the likes of Black Panther or Batman. But because they have stats they don't get the skill feats. Now at the very least for Dante we can see him mastering dozens of weapons immediately upon picking them up and we can scour his 4 games, Novels, Manga and anime for skill showings but Vergil doesn't have that. He has scaling off Dante's weakest version, picking up Beowulf (which has no bearing here cause H2H) and maybe a few applicable showings.

Also the deciding factor of the first fight between the brothers was, vergil and dante clash, they learn that they are literally equal, vergil twists his blade during a power struggle sword clash, adjusts it at an angle and powers to disarm dante and send his rebellion flying. The camera even zooms on this part lmao. Vergil is very skilled. I have played lots of DMC and as much as i hate video game characters, DMC is too underrated here.

Except Dante and Vergil weren't equal at that point. Dante hadn't unlocked his Demonic powers via rebellion at that point while Vergil had. Vergil was shown to be the clear superior the entire fight, he didn't suffer a single blow while Dante was basically on his back foot. Vergil questions his refusal to gain the powers of his demonic heritage. Vergil is clearly unintimidated by DT Dante and has to have Arkham stop him from continuing the fight. Vergil has acess to DT in their next fight despite no significant events occuring to give him DT. We know that Dante's blood was the requirement for Rebellion to unlock his powers since it's a physical representation of them, it even changes in appearance to represent that his power flows freely. We See Dante surprised at his own increased abilities immediately afterwards. They literally are not equal. The entire Game acts as a measurment of Dante's growth where he goes from being weaker than his brother, to matching him blow for blow in their second fight (all according to Arkham's plan) to outfighting Vergil even with Vergil having Acess to the force Edge and it apparently enhancing his abilities. To be quite frank this means Vergil's best skill showings are outmatching a physically inferior opponent in a skill that he specializes in versus his opponent being an all rounder who has a preference for an entirely different skill.

I agree that DMC get's lowballed on CV, but that doesn't mean they win in every scenario. Quite frankly, people like you that try to force them to win even if they don't really have a case to be made are the entire reason DMC get's lowballed in the first place and people who debate for them have to deal with being called Wankers. People are literally struggling to think of anyone in the entirety of DC and Marvel by far the most popular universes on the site yet here you are claiming Lowballing for DMC characters for literally no reason.

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@cerberus369616: No. You need to have to accept a few basic things for my point to get across. Both sons of sparda have auto weapon mastery upon touching a new weapon. Maybe they dont have godly mastery but they do get pretty amazing with it on their first touch. In dantes case, we have many examples. In vergils, we have two but since dante and vergil are twins, its clear that there is no reason for vergil not to have most of the perks dante has.

Moving on, you are assuming the logic that just because dante has godly accuracy with guns, he does not have that with his sword. This is false. You tell me, the guy literally auto masters a weapon upon touching it. How the hell can he not be more skilled with rebellion, the sword which he had before he made his guns? Normally i would go with your logic about how one combat feat should not translate into another feat for a different weapon. Now obviously dante does not throw his sword as accurately as he shoots because he doesnt need to. Thats a sword ffs and we still have a showing of him throwing his sword to the savior with dead accuracy.

His swings are godly accurate dude and thats with rebellion. He slashes and strikes with rebellion way more skillfully than he shoots with guns.

You are true about dantes growth in dmc3 but you are forgetting something. Its not like dante and vergil hadn't met for a long time. They met each other after a single year and dante was extremely confident that he would not lose to vergil. Vergil never used DT in their fight and please remind me, unless you actually use DT, how can it amp you?

Even in a certain dmc3 mission where dante has to quickly take an object where it sucks his life in exchange for power, he transforms to DT. This means that normally, he does not gain DT benefits unless he enters it. You are very wrong here.

Disregarding video game mechanics on characters who are almost exclusively video game characters is absurd. Vergil starts off with the best beowulf move and vergils beowulf is way better than dantes in every single thing. Bad logic.

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@cerberus369616: No. You need to have to accept a few basic things for my point to get across. Both sons of sparda have auto weapon mastery upon touching a new weapon. Maybe they dont have godly mastery but they do get pretty amazing with it on their first touch. In dantes case, we have many examples. In vergils, we have two but since dante and vergil are twins, its clear that there is no reason for vergil not to have most of the perks dante has.

I don't need to accept anything. The Only weapon Mastery Feat Vergil has shown is with Beowulf and that's H2H combat which as evidence by Nelo Angelo showing a similar style, sharing many techniques with Dante whose moveset is consistent with all H2H weapons might not even be weapon master and just be the H2H style they both know. Yamato he had for years so we have no idea how quickly he took to it.

Moving on, you are assuming the logic that just because dante has godly accuracy with guns, he does not have that with his sword. This is false. You tell me, the guy literally auto masters a weapon upon touching it. How the hell can he not be more skilled with rebellion, the sword which he had before he made his guns? Normally i would go with your logic about how one combat feat should not translate into another feat for a different weapon. Now obviously dante does not throw his sword as accurately as he shoots because he doesnt need to. Thats a sword ffs and we still have a showing of him throwing his sword to the savior with dead accuracy.

I never said Dante is inaccurate or unskilled with his sword. I said he is better with E&I. He even scoffs at the idea of swords and generally goes for his Gun first when the chips are down. Your the one making an ssumption that he has to be better with his sword because he has had it longer, skill sets don't work like that. Having a greater passion for something or just a general greater talent or aptitude has FAR more effect on the rate at which your skills increase. Your also assuming that Dante felt any need to practice a sword the entire time up until he got his guns. And honestly EVEN if I accept that Time spent automatically and proportionately equals to Skill I can blow that whole thing out of the Water because we know Dante also inherited his Father's guns Luce and Ombra which he then gave to Trish meaning at the same time he received his sword he also received fire arms and had access to them to practice with. In addition your again equating skillsets between two ENTIERLY different weapons. I wouldn't argue because Bruce Lee is skill in hand to hand that skill directly equates to his skill with swords or a Naginata or even Nunchaku. It's a falce equivalency. The motions, stats, mentality and all manner of things are different between the two. They aren't the same, skill feats do not translate like that.

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Above is where Dante socffs at the prospect of a sword as opposed to his firearms. I'll actually bother to prove what im talking about unlike you who hasn't even shown a single feat.

His swings are godly accurate dude and thats with rebellion. He slashes and strikes with rebellion way more skillfully than he shoots with guns.

Based on what? He has multiple feats shooting bullets out of the air and stacking bullets , he has nothing of equivalent accuracy with Rebellion not that him having such feats would directly equate to skill with a weapon.

You are true about dantes growth in dmc3 but you are forgetting something. Its not like dante and vergil hadn't met for a long time. They met each other after a single year and dante was extremely confident that he would not lose to vergil. Vergil never used DT in their fight and please remind me, unless you actually use DT, how can it amp you?

I never said he was amped by DT itself, I said he had access to new found powers since they were unlocked via reballion interacting with his blood. Your helping my point. Vergil specifically searches for ways to increase his power being obsessed with finding the strength to never lose things important to him again. At some point between the last time they met and now he unlocked his Demonic Powers to a much greater extent surpassing Dante. The increase in their powers without DT is also evident since DMC4 and DMC2 Dante are both far more powerful and do most of their feats without using DT at all, including DMC2 Dante stomoing Despair embodided who was supposedly comparable to Mundus.

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Look at Dante's reaction when he strikes the pillar. He isn't in DT but he surprises even himself with his new found Strength, clearly not intending to swing that hard. His very next act is to test out his new abilities and see what he can do. All the context clues are there if you don't ignore them.

Even in a certain dmc3 mission where dante has to quickly take an object where it sucks his life in exchange for power, he transforms to DT. This means that normally, he does not gain DT benefits unless he enters it. You are very wrong here.

Again your putting words in my mouth, no where did I state that he has access to all the benefits of DT. Clearly it is a transformation for a reason. That doesn't bar them from improving in base as their demonic power increase. All evidence point to the contrary infact.

Disregarding video game mechanics on characters who are almost exclusively video game characters is absurd. Vergil starts off with the best beowulf move and vergils beowulf is way better than dantes in every single thing. Bad logic.

And what Video Game mechanics have I disregarded? I addressed beowulf above already but what logic do you have that Vergil's "Beowulf is better" than Dante's? If anything Dante based on game mechanics exhibits superior mastery over Beowulf thanks to sword master style showing him with far more aptitude for manipulating the light from it. The only one sporting bad logic is you.

Have you even commented on the actual purpose of this thread?

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@chair-sama: That is quite impressive.. except that vergil also masters a weapon greatly by merely touching it.

As soon as he obtained beowulf, he had mastered it to such an insane degree that he had lunar phase which we did not need to purchase to obtain. Think of it as this way, some ways which we need to purchase can be thought of in a sense that dante or vergil learns those by using red orbs which are demon blood crystals. They are exchanged for new powers in dmc. Vergil's lunar phase is the best beowulf move and he starts off with it.

kk. i think you are mistaking game mechanics with a characters skill.

Yes i understand how you mean that they are not impressive in the sense that dante is fast enough to take his time to aim the bullet but nonetheless this is a huge skill feat.

i dont think you understood what i meant at all....it has nothing to do with his Aiming the bullet.

the point was, when you already move casually faster then a bullet, then guiding it mid air is not that hard and really doesn't take a lot of skill.

IE: its a lot more impressive when somebody like Batman or Black panther move and grab bullets then somebody like quicksilver or the flash,

its a lot easier to Mess with bullets, even mid-air, if you yourself move faster then the bullet itself. nobody doubts that DMC characters are at the VERY minimum casual bullet timers, with some speed feats down the road that put them easily Hypersonic+.

The most he can do is aim his bullet. He never moved to check any angles of the balls. He simpl stood there and shot the bullet which caused a chain reaction of pool balls, hitting all his enemies in a neat fashion. Kenshin has not demonstrated this.

Also you say that vergil is only winning because hes stronger in stats. You ignored dante vs vergil first fight. He won that purely because of his skill. Tell me whats more impressive, doing any of kenshins feats which you listed or exchanging thousands of blows against someone who is your literal equal and has insane godly pin point accuracy?

umm again, thats not really a skill feat.

exchanging thousands of blows in of itself doesn't directly equate to skill. i can sit outside with my friend and a planet stick and exchange 1,000+ blows with him for fun, doesn't mean I'm as skilled as vergil.

now, him exchanging blows with Dante does show he has some level of skill, but just saying he's exchanged blows with dante does not show us exactly how skilled he is.

i am literally giving you specific examples of kenshins technical skill and showing WHY that makes him skilled. your basicly just scaling vergil off of Dante and the game mechanics and expecting us to agree that it proves he is skilled. it really doesn't though.

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Love that this is just a DMC thread.

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@cerberus369616: Oh. You are completely ignoring gameplay mechanics. Never liked dmc much huh?

Okay. I'll follow what you are saying. We can go that route. You think hes most skilled with his guns. In dmc4 dante does a no-look lucifer throw once he obtains that. I guess hes more skilled with lucifer than he is with rebellion right?

You are arguing about DT giving passive buffs when nothing of the sort was given. Then again, your completely going on cutscenes so who can blame you. Vergils beowulf is so much better than dantes in every way. You have NOT played dmc3. Its faster, has better damage, is safe and cancellable on frames and has better launchers and finishers. Hell its better both ways, to efficiently kill enemies or to stylishly kill them. Dante has horrible swordmaster beowulf. Please dont act like your knowledgable about certain things when all you follow are cutscenes.

I guess nero's exceed sword is uselss too right? I mean he never uses any of its fueled fire powered moves and all he does is revv his sword.

Exchanging more than a thousand blows is insanely more skilled than doing kenshins feats. Why? Let me ask you, even if kenshin fights someone abit stronger than him, he only needs a lucky strike or some sort of edge to even it out and strike a victory. On the other hand if kenshin fights someone and exchanges thousand blows, he has alot more chance to screw things up and get hit.

One more thing. Kenshin's skills usually have him doing something which his opponent does not suspect. Most of the times its a battle of mind where kenshin outperforms his opponents. I dont think he would fool vergil like this. Im picturing them both fighting and as long as every stat is equal, vergil is going to guard against thousands of kenshins blow without any problem while kenshin may get hit after a few hundred.

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Idk about Kenshin against Vergil, but Kenshin's master, Seijuro would stomp. xP

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@princeleif: Maybe. Maybe not. The thing is, kenshin may even stomp in terms of skill but according to the feats listed here, its clear that more of his skill is attributed towards forming strategies instead of actual swordsman skill display. Some are no doubt impressive but then ill ask you again. What is more impressive to you, sword fighting with someone for a little while until you figure out a way to beat him and end the fight or matching someone who is your equal and going on for thousands of sword strikes, without even getting as much as a scratch or graze on yourself.

Maybe kenshin had some OP feats which put him way ahead of vergil in skill terms but they have not been listed here. Oh and a side note, kenshin blowing away fire by spining his sword is a stat feat. No human is possible able to pull that off and it clearly reaches within the limits of superhuman terrority. Has kenshin ever fought a battle against someone who isnt a dumbass and is as skilled as kenshin is? Has he gone on for thousands of blows without so much as getting a simple graze? Because vergil has done that and since this battle is about skill, vergils feats are much better. Maybe kenshin is a much smarter swordsman but so far he hasnt demonstrated better skill. Not according to the feats listed.

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@sayo786:

its clear that more of his skill is attributed towards forming strategies instead of actual swordsman skill display

Based on how you've been debating in this thread, I'm starting to think you don't know what "skill" is or how it's debated around here.

What is more impressive to you, sword fighting with someone for a little while until you figure out a way to beat him and end the fight

You mean analyzing your enemy, discerning their weakness, countering their strikes, and delivering the finishing blow? Yeah, that's actual sword skill right there.

or matching someone who is your equal and going on for thousands of sword strikes, without even getting as much as a scratch or graze on yourself.

Yeah I'm gonna go with option number 1 chief. All you're doing is trying to scale Virgil to Dante without showing any actual sword skill feats for Dante.

Maybe kenshin had some OP feats which put him way ahead of vergil in skill terms but they have not been listed here.

As opposed to the gameplay mechanics or gun skills you've tried to pass off as sword skill feats for Dante and Virgil? Lol.

Oh and a side note, kenshin blowing away fire by spining his sword is a stat feat.

Neither was like any of stuff you've been saying, lol. Like blocking bullets. But nah that was sword skill for Virgil right? Double standards?

Has kenshin ever fought a battle against someone who isnt a dumbass and is as skilled as kenshin is?

Yes, he's fought plenty of skilled swordsmen. It sounds like you don't know the character and you're only here to wank DMC. Please, this site gets plenty of that without you. You need to stop.

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Idk about Kenshin against Vergil, but Kenshin's master, Seijuro would stomp. xP

well to be honest.. by the end of the series.. kenshin surpassed seijuro in terms of skill alone .... kenshin's body was not of the right type for hiten mitsurugi-ryu style .. where as seijuro's buffed body had the strength to endure the backlashes of the higher end techniques of the style...

despite not being of the right body type for the style like his master .. he still achieved perhaps the greatest skill level of the technique ... that shows his grasp over swordsmanship.