Kenpachi vs fujitora

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Poll Kenpachi vs fujitora (41 votes)

Kenpachi 63%
fujitora 37%
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#1  Edited By Gilateen

Kenpachi wins.

Fujitora needs more feats

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Kenny stomps.

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Fujitora.

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#7  Edited By Nervedamage

@kingguinness: Dang someone with a Kenpachi pfp saying other team wins???

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@kingguinness: Fujitora's gravity shouldn't affect Kenny much, and Kenny has the stats to one-shot Fuji while in Shikai. Fuji would do better against less physically oriented characters IMO.

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Mismatch fuji can’t do anything to Kenny.

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#11  Edited By UltraShaggy

Kenpachi stomp. Can fujitora survive kenpachi reatsu?

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Fujitora's gravity shouldn't affect Kenny much,

Based on? Kenny's best lifting strength feat is toppling Gerard, who's like hill sized. Pica's golem dwarfs Gerard and Fujitora casually levitated it and every piece of rubble on Dressrosa. That's millions, if not billions of tons. Kenpachi doesn't have lifting strength like that.

and Kenny has the stats to one-shot Fuji while in Shikai.

If you go strictly off of feats i guess. However, that would require Kenny successfully tagging and landing a clean strike on Fujitora which isn't likely due to Fuji's better speed, range and Observation Haki. Nothing stops Fuji from using a Fierce Tiger to smack Kenny kilometers away and just bombarding him with HS - MHS city block+ sized meteorites until Kenny keels over. Kenny's blunt force durability also isn't that great.

Fuji would do better against less physically oriented characters IMO.

On the contrary, i think that's some of his best match-ups.

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#13  Edited By socajunkie  Moderator

‘Fuji would do better against less physically oriented characters IMO.‘

...this is a really weird statement given the ease at which Fujitora blade locked Zoro and:

- Looked bored being in the centre of Sabo’s flame as the latter applied pressure kicking him

- Easily blocked Luffy’s G2 + 3 Elephant Gun with just his sword

- Blocked it again

- Traded attacks with a G2 + 3 Luffy with only a little conviction

I mean, a nerfed Luffy, losing energy, while 10km under the sea, one-shotted a large hill/small mountain sized Kraken with his Elephant Gun and Issho blocked a fresh Luffy’s EG amped with G2 on land like a kid just playfully tapped his side.

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Fujitora's gravity shouldn't affect Kenny much,

Based on? Kenny's best lifting strength feat is toppling Gerard, who's like hill sized. Pica's golem dwarfs Gerard and Fujitora casually levitated it and every piece of rubble on Dressrosa. That's millions, if not billions of tons. Kenpachi doesn't have lifting strength like that.

Zoro has 0 really highend lifting feats and he was alright from Fuji's gravity. Kenny is many times stronger than Zorro too. That should be enough to say that Shikai Kenny and above should be able to survive or outright nosell Fuji's gravity.

and Kenny has the stats to one-shot Fuji while in Shikai.

If you go strictly off of feats i guess. However, that would require Kenny successfully tagging and landing a clean strike on Fujitora which isn't likely due to Fuji's better speed, range and Observation Haki. Nothing stops Fuji from using a Fierce Tiger to smack Kenny kilometers away and just bombarding him with HS - MHS city block+ sized meteorites until Kenny keels over. Kenny's blunt force durability also isn't that great.

Fuji is likely around Shikai Kenny speed with better reactions. Fuji definitely has better range, but Kenny has pretty consistently shown the ability to use shockwaves to tag his opponents, so he doesn't actually need to be very close to Fuji to tag him. Kenny's best range was around multicityblock, but a direct hit is all it will take.

HM arc Kenny has nosold multicityblock strikes from Released Yammy and Bankai Kenny took a punch from Gerard to the face while proceeding to bite his arm off iirc too. The meteors and such honestly aren't doing Jack to even Shikai Kenny.

Fuji would do better against less physically oriented characters IMO.

On the contrary, i think that's some of his best match-ups.

Not when Kenny can tank Fuji's gravity in Shikai and walk through it in bankai. Someone with decent stats, but a little more diversity would be a better match-up IMO.

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#16  Edited By The_God

Fujitora lacks feats to contend with Shikai Kenpachi.

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@kingguinness: Dang someone with a Kenpachi pfp saying other team wins???

Lmao. I think people do it as like a trolling tactic or like a joke or something.

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Zoro has 0 really highend lifting feats and he was alright from Fuji's gravity. Kenny is many times stronger than Zorro too. That should be enough to say that Shikai Kenny and above should be able to survive or outright nosell Fuji's gravity.

Two different instances and two different feats. For one, Zoro didn't physically overpower and break out of Fuji's gravity. He fired off an air slash that interrupted Fujitora and forced him to block, he didn't physically push through and overpower the gravity. Secondly, Fujitora was explicitly and implicitly shown to be holding back his power all throughout Dressrosa. If he wanted to, he could have pancaked Zoro, Doffy and pretty much everyone on the island.

Fuji suffers from the Surfer syndrome; Their passive nature holds them back.

Fuji is likely around Shikai Kenny speed with better reactions. Fuji definitely has better range, but Kenny has pretty consistently shown the ability to use shockwaves to tag his opponents, so he doesn't actually need to be very close to Fuji to tag him. Kenny's best range was around multicityblock, but a direct hit is all it will take.

When has Kenny used shockwaves to tag people at range? Regardless, Fujitora's range is country level. Multi-city block shockwave range wouldn't help Kenny if Fuji can fight him from kilometers away.

HM arc Kenny has nosold multicityblock strikes from Released Yammy and Bankai Kenny took a punch from Gerard to the face while proceeding to bite his arm off iirc too. The meteors and such honestly aren't doing Jack to even Shikai Kenny.

Multi-city block strikes are completely different from city block sized meteorites moving at HS - MHS speeds. Their kinetic energy would be city - mountain busting, and Fuji can spam them. Kenny isn't tanking those based on his blunt force feats.

Not when Kenny can tank Fuji's gravity in Shikai and walk through it in bankai. Someone with decent stats, but a little more diversity would be a better match-up IMO.

I don't think you've proven that. Based on objective feats, Kenny would get crushed by a serious Fuji's gravity.

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Kenpachi swings.

He doesn't need to hit him with his blade. The air pressure alone will kill Fuji, Fuji's very impressive but he needs more feat.

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Zoro sent the top half of pica flying in the air which should weigh millions and millions of tons just from the air pressure of swinging his sword and he wasn't going all out ..but Fuji pinned him to the ground like a child while holding back ..I feel like Fuji is getting underrated and I fail to see how kenpachi is physically superior to zoro to the level that he would completely resist gravity crush from a serious fuji

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Zoro has 0 really highend lifting feats and he was alright from Fuji's gravity. Kenny is many times stronger than Zorro too. That should be enough to say that Shikai Kenny and above should be able to survive or outright nosell Fuji's gravity.

Two different instances and two different feats. For one, Zoro didn't physically overpower and break out of Fuji's gravity. He fired off an air slash that interrupted Fujitora and forced him to block, he didn't physically push through and overpower the gravity. Secondly, Fujitora was explicitly and implicitly shown to be holding back his power all throughout Dressrosa. If he wanted to, he could have pancaked Zoro, Doffy and pretty much everyone on the island.

The fact is that a jobbing Fujitora failed to kill or even injure Zoro with his gravity. Fujitora probably could have pancaked Zoro, but we've yet to see Fuji go all out. With his current feats gravity crush isn't doing much to Kenny.

Fuji suffers from the Surfer syndrome; Their passive nature holds them back.

The gap between a holding back Fuji would have to be massive for it to make a difference against Kenny, and we need better feats for his gravity before assuming he can crush someone like Kenny.

Fuji is likely around Shikai Kenny speed with better reactions. Fuji definitely has better range, but Kenny has pretty consistently shown the ability to use shockwaves to tag his opponents, so he doesn't actually need to be very close to Fuji to tag him. Kenny's best range was around multicityblock, but a direct hit is all it will take.

When has Kenny used shockwaves to tag people at range? Regardless, Fujitora's range is country level. Multi-city block shockwave range wouldn't help Kenny if Fuji can fight him from kilometers away.

He's used shockwaves while fighting Ichigo, Nnoitra, and even Yammy iirc. Fujitora has large island range. Most countries we've seen in OP are small. Fuji doesn't distance himself from his enemy to attack from a distance anyways, so Kenny has many chances to tag him. If Fuji tries to cross blades with Kenny and gravity crush him, Fuji's sword gets sliced through like butter shortly before Fuji himself gets bisected.

HM arc Kenny has nosold multicityblock strikes from Released Yammy and Bankai Kenny took a punch from Gerard to the face while proceeding to bite his arm off iirc too. The meteors and such honestly aren't doing Jack to even Shikai Kenny.

Multi-city block strikes are completely different from city block sized meteorites moving at HS - MHS speeds. Their kinetic energy would be city - mountain busting, and Fuji can spam them. Kenny isn't tanking those based on his blunt force feats.

The meteors that Fuji summoned didn't have nearly mountain level DC and the ones that he dropped on Law were smaller iirc too. Even if you want to argue the kinetic force of the meteors to be mountain level Kenny took punches from Gerard who is stronger than no eyepatch Shikai Kenny. Even eyepatched Shikai Kenny had mountain-multimountain DC and Kenny removing his eyepatch gives him another significant boost in power.

Fuji's meteors aren't hurting Kenny and he can always slice them like Doffy opted for or he could dodge them.

Not when Kenny can tank Fuji's gravity in Shikai and walk through it in bankai. Someone with decent stats, but a little more diversity would be a better match-up IMO.

I don't think you've proven that. Based on objective feats, Kenny would get crushed by a serious Fuji's gravity.

Fuji still hasn't shown what he can do while serious, but based on his jobbing feats, it isn't enough to put Kenny down.

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Kenpachi swings.

He doesn't need to hit him with his blade. The air pressure alone will kill Fuji, Fuji's very impressive but he needs more feat.

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The fact is that a jobbing Fujitora failed to kill or even injure Zoro with his gravity. Fujitora probably could have pancaked Zoro, but we've yet to see Fuji go all out. With his current feats gravity crush isn't doing much to Kenny.

I don't think i need to explain why a jobbing and holding back Fujitora failing to kill Zoro (You know, one of the main characters of the series) isn't a low showing, especially since it can just be used as a positive for Zoro. Kenpachi isn't Zoro, and just because Zoro did something against a holding back Fujitora doesn't automatically mean Kenny can do the same against a Fujitora that is presumably serious.

The gap between a holding back Fuji would have to be massive for it to make a difference against Kenny, and we need better feats for his gravity before assuming he can crush someone like Kenny.

I mean, we already saw Fujitora pull down city block sized meteorites from space and levitate an islands worth of rubble.... what more does it need to do for you to agree it'll crush Kenny? Does it need to flatten a country or something??

He's used shockwaves while fighting Ichigo, Nnoitra, and even Yammy iirc.

Fair enough, i forgot about those. Still doesn't matter though, since you yourself admitted Kenny's range is only multi-block (So several hundred meters).

Fujitora has large island range. Most countries we've seen in OP are small. Fuji doesn't distance himself from his enemy to attack from a distance anyways, so Kenny has many chances to tag him. If Fuji tries to cross blades with Kenny and gravity crush him, Fuji's sword gets sliced through like butter shortly before Fuji himself gets bisected.

He has country level range. He pulled down meteorites from space, which is bare minimum over 160 kilometers into the air, and it was casual. Fuji doesn't have to physically distance himself from Kenny, he can smack Kenny kilometers away with Fierce Tiger like he did against Luffy and then meteor spam him.

Also, you do realize Kenny only has superior striking power to Fujitora in Shikai right? The OP doesn't specify whether Kenny starts in Shikai or not, so we assume base. And base Kenny is only multi-block to town level, which Fuji shits all over.

The meteors that Fuji summoned didn't have nearly mountain level DC and the ones that he dropped on Law were smaller iirc too.

They do if you argue kinetic energy, which everyone does for meteorite feats seemingly.

Even if you want to argue the kinetic force of the meteors to be mountain level Kenny took punches from Gerard who is stronger than no eyepatch Shikai Kenny. Even eyepatched Shikai Kenny had mountain-multimountain DC and Kenny removing his eyepatch gives him another significant boost in power.

Fair enough. However, Fuji can casually spam hordes of mountain level meteorites with basically zero effort. Dozens of those will wear Kenny out very quickly.

Fuji's meteors aren't hurting Kenny and he can always slice them like Doffy opted for or he could dodge them.

I don't think Kenny has the speed to consistently dodge and destroy Fuji's meteorites, especially if groups of them are bombarding him at the same time and he's being crushed by Fuji's gravity.

What's more likely is that Kenny opts to tank them, and that isn't a very good idea.

Fuji still hasn't shown what he can do while serious, but based on his jobbing feats, it isn't enough to put Kenny down.

His jobbing feats still have him operating at island to country levels casually, so i think it's enough for Kenny.

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@el_directo_ said:

Kenpachi swings.

He doesn't need to hit him with his blade. The air pressure alone will kill Fuji, Fuji's very impressive but he needs more feat.

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The fact is that a jobbing Fujitora failed to kill or even injure Zoro with his gravity. Fujitora probably could have pancaked Zoro, but we've yet to see Fuji go all out. With his current feats gravity crush isn't doing much to Kenny.

I don't think i need to explain why a jobbing and holding back Fujitora failing to kill Zoro (You know, one of the main characters of the series) isn't a low showing, especially since it can just be used as a positive for Zoro. Kenpachi isn't Zoro, and just because Zoro did something against a holding back Fujitora doesn't automatically mean Kenny can do the same against a Fujitora that is presumably serious.

The fact is that Shikai Kenny is stronger than Zoro and Fuji's gravity didn't even harm him. Until we see Fuji go all out, we can't assume that he would gravity crush someone like Kaido or BM. Both of which are physically weaker than Kenny currently.

The gap between a holding back Fuji would have to be massive for it to make a difference against Kenny, and we need better feats for his gravity before assuming he can crush someone like Kenny.

I mean, we already saw Fujitora pull down city block sized meteorites from space and levitate an islands worth of rubble.... what more does it need to do for you to agree it'll crush Kenny? Does it need to flatten a country or something??

He has to flatten something. Levitating rubble is great and all, but Fuji needs feats of actually crushing something of significant size or he needs feats of crushing someone as strong as Shikai Kenny to suggest he can pin Kenpachi.

He's used shockwaves while fighting Ichigo, Nnoitra, and even Yammy iirc.

Fair enough, i forgot about those. Still doesn't matter though, since you yourself admitted Kenny's range is only multi-block (So several hundred meters).

But Fuji engages in close combat frequently. Fuji only needs to even just close in for an attack and Kenny can swing in his direction and end the fight

Fujitora has large island range. Most countries we've seen in OP are small. Fuji doesn't distance himself from his enemy to attack from a distance anyways, so Kenny has many chances to tag him. If Fuji tries to cross blades with Kenny and gravity crush him, Fuji's sword gets sliced through like butter shortly before Fuji himself gets bisected.

He has country level range. He pulled down meteorites from space, which is bare minimum over 160 kilometers into the air, and it was casual. Fuji doesn't have to physically distance himself from Kenny, he can smack Kenny kilometers away with Fierce Tiger like he did against Luffy and then meteor spam him.

I forgot his range would have to be pretty large to call meteors. Fuji needs feats of smacking someone as strong as Kenny for fierce Tiger to work. So far it only worked on G3 Luffy iirc. He needs to at least show the ability to gravity crush/smack someone at least on par with G4 Luffy to even affect Kenny.

Also, you do realize Kenny only has superior striking power to Fujitora in Shikai right? The OP doesn't specify whether Kenny starts in Shikai or not, so we assume base. And base Kenny is only multi-block to town level, which Fuji shits all over.

That's alright cuz post training Kenny used Shikai and takes his eyepatch off automatically when fighting powerful enemies. He may take a couple hits while in base, but nothing life threatening. The meteors get sliced and once Fuji puts on any heavy gravity, Kenny will get serious.

The meteors that Fuji summoned didn't have nearly mountain level DC and the ones that he dropped on Law were smaller iirc too.

They do if you argue kinetic energy, which everyone does for meteorite feats seemingly.

AP, but definitely not DC. With a spam they could reach city level DC.

Even if you want to argue the kinetic force of the meteors to be mountain level Kenny took punches from Gerard who is stronger than no eyepatch Shikai Kenny. Even eyepatched Shikai Kenny had mountain-multimountain DC and Kenny removing his eyepatch gives him another significant boost in power.

Fair enough. However, Fuji can casually spam hordes of mountain level meteorites with basically zero effort. Dozens of those will wear Kenny out very quickly.

Kenny's durability is already sitting at multimountain in Shikai, so when he takes off his eypatch the meteors aren't doing Jack even in quantity. Kenny would likely opt for slicing them anyways like what he did with Gremmy.

Fuji's meteors aren't hurting Kenny and he can always slice them like Doffy opted for or he could dodge them.

I don't think Kenny has the speed to consistently dodge and destroy Fuji's meteorites, especially if groups of them are bombarding him at the same time and he's being crushed by Fuji's gravity.

Kenny scales solidlya good deal above lightning speeds, so tagging multiple meteors shouldn't be a problem. He could one-shot a multitude of meteors with a single swing anyways. The gravity would be an annoyance to Kenny while attempting to dodge, slice, or tank the meteors, but Fuji never attempted a gravity crush while also dropping meteors. This is all while ignoring Kenny's bankai. If/when Kenny deems it necessary to use bankai, he walks through everything Fuji has and bites him in half, literally.

What's more likely is that Kenny opts to tank them, and that isn't a very good idea.

Kenny may have been a tank in the past, but he knows when to get serious. He did opt for slicing Gremmy's meteor and he didn't job at all against Gerard.

Fuji still hasn't shown what he can do while serious, but based on his jobbing feats, it isn't enough to put Kenny down.

His jobbing feats still have him operating at island to country levels casually, so i think it's enough for Kenny

Fuji only operates at island-country range. His DC and durability still pales in comparison to Kenny's. TBH no eyepatch Shikai Kenny should be enough, but bankai shuts Fuji down.

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Fujitora stomps. Mismatch.

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The fact is that Shikai Kenny is stronger than Zoro and Fuji's gravity didn't even harm him.

You saying that doesn't make it true. We're discussing lifting strength here, not bladed striking strength. This feat can simply be used as a positive for Zoro, not a low showing to debunk Fuji's gravity especially since we know he's explicitly holding back. Did you ever think about the possibility that Zoro is just physically stronger than Kenpachi? Kenny would have greater striking strength due to Nozarashi but in terms of physicality and lifting things, Zoro's superior. I don't think that's an absurd thing to say.

Until we see Fuji go all out, we can't assume that he would gravity crush someone like Kaido or BM. Both of which are physically weaker than Kenny currently.

Why do we need to see him go all out? His current feats are already enough. You can't use his interactions with the Straw Hats as evidence to lowball him, for reasons already given.

It's like using BOS Mel's showings against Guila or Gilthunder to lowball him, when we know he was holding back. His objective feats are better than what was shown in those fights, and the same can be said for Fuji.

He has to flatten something. Levitating rubble is great and all, but Fuji needs feats of actually crushing something of significant size or he needs feats of crushing someone as strong as Shikai Kenny to suggest he can pin Kenpachi.

Levitating rubble correlates directly to the potency of his gravity. If he can levitate millions to billions of tons of rubble, what do you think he'll do to a fleshy human sized object like Kenpachi? Do you think Kenpachi can lift what is essentially multiple mountains worth of rubble above his head?

But Fuji engages in close combat frequently. Fuji only needs to even just close in for an attack and Kenny can swing in his direction and end the fight

You're either massively overblowing Kenny's striking strength or underrating Fuji's if you think any generic swing from Kenny is killing him instantly. Fujitora realistically scales to island to country level endurance if we compare him to the other Admirals, which i don't think is a problem given their portrayal in the series.

I forgot his range would have to be pretty large to call meteors. Fuji needs feats of smacking someone as strong as Kenny for fierce Tiger to work. So far it only worked on G3 Luffy iirc. He needs to at least show the ability to gravity crush/smack someone at least on par with G4 Luffy to even affect Kenny.

I think it's the opposite. You'd need to provide feats for Kenny tanking an attack like Fierce Tiger without moving at all. Fierce Tiger overpowered Luffy, smacked him kilometers away and busted a mountain sized coastal hill. Do you think Kenny can tank that without moving an inch? Gerard's hits were smacking him all over the place. Keep in mind Fuji used Fierce Tiger while simultaneously levitating all of Dressrosa's rubble, so he can multi-task with his gravity. That means Kenny's getting crushed and Fierce Tiger'd at the same time.

That's alright cuz post training Kenny used Shikai and takes his eyepatch off automatically when fighting powerful enemies. He may take a couple hits while in base, but nothing life threatening. The meteors get sliced and once Fuji puts on any heavy gravity, Kenny will get serious.

He didn't use his Shikai against Gremmy until he summoned the meteorites and he initially attacked Gerard in base as well. The longer Kenny stays in base, the more likely it is Fuji stomps him.

AP, but definitely not DC. With a spam they could reach city level DC.

AP and DC are the same thing, except one is without AOE.

Kenny's durability is already sitting at multimountain in Shikai, so when he takes off his eypatch the meteors aren't doing Jack even in quantity. Kenny would likely opt for slicing them anyways like what he did with Gremmy.

What are you basing Kenny's durability off again? He only tanked punches from Gerard, not sword slashes. Kenny and Gerard's sword slashes are the only thing that's multi-mountain or above, their bare fists aren't.

Kenny scales solidlya good deal above lightning speeds, so tagging multiple meteors shouldn't be a problem.

Based on? Who does he scale to that's consistently and reliably faster than lightning? I recall Candice toying with him, and her entire abilities are lightning based.

I'm also not lowballing. I'm genuinely curious, since Bleach speed is very hard to gauge imo.

He could one-shot a multitude of meteors with a single swing anyways. The gravity would be an annoyance to Kenny while attempting to dodge, slice, or tank the meteors, but Fuji never attempted a gravity crush while also dropping meteors. This is all while ignoring Kenny's bankai. If/when Kenny deems it necessary to use bankai, he walks through everything Fuji has and bites him in half, literally.

But we do know he can use his gravity powers simultaneously. He's done it on multiple occasions, and that's all we really need.

Kenny may have been a tank in the past, but he knows when to get serious. He did opt for slicing Gremmy's meteor and he didn't job at all against Gerard.

I guess that's true.

Fuji only operates at island-country range. His DC and durability still pales in comparison to Kenny's. TBH no eyepatch Shikai Kenny should be enough, but bankai shuts Fuji down.

I don't think it pales, but for the sake of argument I'll agree. You're focusing way too much on stats and are forgetting Fujitora's gravity powers. You do realize Kenny's strength, speed and stamina will all be massively hampered by his gravity right? If Kenny was initially an MHS multi-mountain buster, he's now something dramatically less. It doesn't help that Kenny has zero versatility whatsoever, all he has are his stats.

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