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  • Location: Tournament of Power.
  • No prep time.
  • Win via Death.
  • Both are in character.
  • Both start in their transformations.
  • Who wins?
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Unless Black gets UI magically he probably gets pounded into oblivion.

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Goku Black makes a bunch of clones and eventually overwhelms Kefla. She doesn’t bring anything special to the table that he can’t survive or tank, meanwhile he’s shown an insane learning curve

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Kefla stomp

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I would actually say Black as of now. Kefla was having problems with a SSB that was stated to be weakened multiple times. However if she gets ssj3 next episode then she would probably take it.

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Black by reasons already stated.

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Kefla unless black pulls ultra instinct out of his ass like Goku

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#9  Edited By katrurius17

@jashugan said:

Kefla unless black pulls ultra instinct out of his ass like Goku

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Now that she showed off her SS2 form. She should stomp black easily.

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#11  Edited By malikc6

Are we talking manga Goku Black who can make infinite clones of himself that all have the same power? Or are we talking the anime Goku Black that can become his own universe and deliver omnipresent attacks? Either way, Kefla cannot win. Goku Black would use her as a way to power up by exploiting zenkai boosts and not dying. Kelfa would be causing him some problems for a long time due to her immense power, but at some point, either Goku Black will surpass her in power via cheap zenkai boosts, or she gets tired and the rest speaks for itself.

Goku Black was called a cheat character for a reason.

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Kelfa in a stomp the power creep is way beyond the goku black arc.

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Considering what she did to SSB KaioKen Goku, and that was BEFORE she went SSJ2, and I'd say she roflstomps Black

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Goku Black manga & anime.

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@malikc6: Goku Black didn’t do any of that, that was merged Zamasu.....Rewatch the show

Kefla oneshots

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She one shots him.

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#18  Edited By GohanDorado

Black curbstomps. SSJ2 Kelfa loses against his clones

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Not sure about anime Goku Black, from what I’ve seen of manga Black he wins.

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Black wins easily. He was clearly stronger than Gohan.

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Kefla claps

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Kefla should win she was kicking kaioken x20 SSB Goku's ass he needed UI just to beat her and TOP Arc Goku was a lot more powerful than he was in the Goku Black Arc.

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Kefla curbstomps.

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Kefla

(Assuming she goes SSJ2 like in TOP)

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Probably Kefla.

Kefla ssj1 in the tournament of power nearly one shot KO'd Goku ssb kaioken (we don't know what multiplier he was on but I assume it was x20). Though this was a weakened Goku ssb kaioken, it is at least stronger than normal ssb goku. Then Kefla went ssj2 which is much much stronger, as she was seen to go up against ultra instinct goku. It was implied that ssj2 kefla could one shot ui goku if he didn't dodge, but not confirmed. Anyone who can push goku to ui is pretty strong.

Goku Black on the other hand was beating both Vegeta and Goku ssb, but was overwhelmed by vegeta ssb at one point, and Goku ssb kaioken x10 even was able to push Zamasu and Goku Black off. Without immortal Zamasu, I would think that Goku and Vegeta ssb would have finished the job eventually, if they worked together, even without Vegito.

So we know Kefla is definitely stronger, but it seems Goku Black is more skilled, since he learned in Goku's techniques. Kefla is taking this but not easily. She will probably get cocky like all fusions, and then gets mad when Goku Black starts to win. Then she will go ssj if not ssj2, and demolish Goku Black.

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#26  Edited By omega_king13

Goku Black wins. Since both are in character Kefla will talk and act cocky and won't finish it allowing Black to get stronger. She will only get serious when she's losing which by then would be too late and Black will kill the annoying ningen

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Kefla

Its not even close

Remember what Vegeta did to Goku black after training, Kefla is stronger then a SSBE Vegeta for being able to contend with UI Goku, people need to wake up Vegeta’s base power in Black arc isn’t even the same as he’s base power in ToP. Vegeta is much stronger then he was then. Kefla didn’t really have an upper limit she just kept growing in strength thats why Goku decided to know her off and win via ring out, never mind they went from SS to SS2 in under a week. Goku black can only rely on zenkai’s if the person he fight is relative to him in power, like Goku vs Goku black when they first fought which gave black the rose transformation but if the power level difference is too much it’s irrelevant like Black vs Vegeta in the rematch.

If Kefla is fighting to the death she‘ll kill black as OP says it’s a fight to the death and both are aware of this.

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@alextheboss:Since when? SSJ Kefla fought equally with Goku ssb. Goku only started winning when he turned up the heat and added kaioken. Then Kefla kicked Goku out of of kaioken and ssb. Then Goku got ui and beat her.

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#29  Edited By eriel

Kefla stomps Black and any SSB tier character.

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Kefla stomps if she can go SSJ2, unless Black adapts past her.

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Can't ague with this.

Kefla stomps if she can go SSJ2, unless Black adapts past her.

Goku Black makes a bunch of clones and eventually overwhelms Kefla. She doesn’t bring anything special to the table that he can’t survive or tank, meanwhile he’s shown an insane learning curve

@malikc6 said:

Are we talking manga Goku Black who can make infinite clones of himself that all have the same power? Or are we talking the anime Goku Black that can become his own universe and deliver omnipresent attacks? Either way, Kefla cannot win. Goku Black would use her as a way to power up by exploiting zenkai boosts and not dying. Kelfa would be causing him some problems for a long time due to her immense power, but at some point, either Goku Black will surpass her in power via cheap zenkai boosts, or she gets tired and the rest speaks for itself.

Goku Black was called a cheat character for a reason.

In short, his constant zenkai and Mass Replication * (a cloning technique; in whom by the way are just as strong as him), will give him an edge. He could just spam clones and overwhelm his opponent.

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Goku_Black#Power

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Goku_Black#Techniques

*https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/The_Work_of_the_Gods

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#32  Edited By The_Hajduk

Black can take this. He would start off initially being overpowered but would learn quickly and adapt and go for a brutal ki bladed kill on the teen fighter.

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#33  Edited By Lenzo0

Wasn't Goku Black Immortal before fusing with Zamasu? In that case i can see him pull of a win based on that and the fact that he has the Sickle of Sorrow.

Also While wielding the Sickle of Sorrow in DBS, Goku Black proclaims that his anger makes him the "strongest".

I can see him actually winning this.

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@vydeos: I don’t remember the episode I made that post. Ssj2 Kefla stomps Black. Ssj Kefla is probably stronger as well, but Black might be able to grow in power. And when she was fighting Goku’s, he wasn’t at full power.

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Kefla stills stomps

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Kefla should win, at least as long as she doesn't let the fight go on too long for Black to adapt.

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@lenzo0 said:

Wasn't Goku Black Immortal before fusing with Zamasu? In that case i can see him pull of a win based on that and the fact that he has the Sickle of Sorrow.

Also While wielding the Sickle of Sorrow in DBS, Goku Black proclaims that his anger makes him the "strongest".

I can see him actually winning this.

He wasn’t immortal before the fusion he was just incredibly durable. The clones weren’t equal either Goku and Vegeta killed multiple of them with just ki blasts and they just came back, whilst they found it difficult to kill the real Goku Black, since he could pull power out of his ass like a real Goku. Clones =/= Goku black.

Kefla fought a SSBkkx20 Goku and forced him into UI.

OP says this a fight to the death and both parties know this, there is no zenkai’s that can save Black, the same way Vegeta bashed Black and the difference in power was too great, even after using the sickle of sorrows he didn’t dare engage physically and decided to fuse with zamasu. Kefla is stronger then the all Black arc characters except Merged universe zamasu, she fought stronger version of Goku and the Z fighters, Goku had multiple zenkai’s in the ToP from a point Jiren blocked punches with a finger to the point of straight up grabbing him and holding him in place for a final flash, this is just he’s blue feats, Kefla fought UI.

Kefla kills this fodder

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@vydeos: I don’t remember the episode I made that post. Ssj2 Kefla stomps Black. Ssj Kefla is probably stronger as well, but Black might be able to grow in power. And when she was fighting Goku’s, he wasn’t at full power.

He wasn‘t at full power initially, he got a zenkai during there fight causing him to go base to SS to SS3 to Blue to kkx20 to UI. The fact he went SSBkkx20 and Kefla fought that is enough to put him far, FAR, above black. No zenkai’s can save black, because the difference in power is worse then the time Vegeta vs Black round 2. As for the sickle of sorrows, the rift doesnt last forever it disappeared and black didn’t dare face Goku and Vegeta at the same time so he fused. This time he’s versing a person stronger then Goku and Vegeta during that particular arc and is also shown to just growing in strength randomly, especially know kale is in the fusion.

Black gets treated as fodder and is killed in this deathmatch.

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Black can take this. He would start off initially being overpowered but would learn quickly and adapt and go for a brutal ki bladed kill on the teen fighter.

Wouldn’t work, if that was the case when black fought SSB Vegeta he would’ve adapted, that’s not how it works, the difference in power was too great, since being in the hyperbolic timechamber the amount of zenkai’s Vegeta had in a year outweighed the amount. Goku black doesn’t automatically become stronger then the person he fights, it’s even worth noting Trunks was sent to another universe in a time ring were he would have to kill Goku black proving Black doesn’t instantly become stronger then the person he fights, and Kefla is stronger then Vegeta during that arc. There is no growing in power to saves he’s life, not even the rift will save him, the Rift makes clones that arent even equal, Goku and Vegeta killed the clones with ki blasts, Kefla will stomp them in seconds, the rift disappeared after a while too and Black didn’t dare fight Goku and Vegeta at the same time when he failed to beat Vegeta in one on one so he chose to fuse.

Kefla will kill this fodder

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@mbatz: aaaaa Now i see. Thanks For The Minor Corrections and The Extra Facts. Its Been a long time since i watched DBS so i couldn't honestly tell 100%.

Well In That Case Kefla Stomps.

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@lenzo0: All good fellow dragon ball fan, I apologise if I came of as hostile

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@mbatz: No Worries My Man, Its All Good. Also Appreciate The Fact That You Took Your Time To Write That and Comment on as to why Kefla Stomps and the fact that Why Goku Black wasnt Immortal. Much Respect!

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Kefla tears him in half.

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kefla.

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kefla vaporizes black

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@mbatz:

He wasn‘t at full power initially, he got a zenkai during there fight causing him to go base to SS to SS3 to Blue to kkx20 to UI.

That's not how zenkais work. Heck, it was already stated they basically stopped getting them after the Frieza saga in the Daizenshuu. I believe this was reaffirmed in the manga when only Black was getting zenkais and not Goku and Vegeta.

The fact he went SSBkkx20 and Kefla fought that is enough to put him far, FAR, above black.

It's not stated which version of kk he used. He also fought her with regular SSB for a bit and did fine.

I agree Kefla should win, as Black is somewhere between base and ssj Kefla.

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@alextheboss: As long as we agree kefla wins

But your wrong on the zenkai’s, the daizenshuu doesn’t talk about zenkai’s because dragon ball dropped power levels, in the past the daizenshuj would explain vegeta’s power increase from 21,000 at the beginning of the namek arc to 2,000,000 using zenkai’s. That’s why it’s no longer referenced in Super cause it doesn’t use power levels, but it doesn’t change the fact they do gain them, a zenkai is a Saiyan genetic trait which makes Them stronger from a near death experience, an example of a zenkai in Super is Jiren bashing Vegeta after the final flash and Vegeta getting SSBE. Or another example Goku in the beginning of ToP was getting black by Jiren with a finger, after multiple beatings he could fight Jiren while Vegeta fought Toppo, I’m not saying he was winning but he could now perceive Jirens movements. Poor Jiren if he knew that ability he would‘ve knocked them out of the ring like he did hit who he saw as a threat, but tbh hit probably has greater durability then SSB.

But yeah zenkai’s still exist

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@mbatz:

But your wrong on the zenkai’s, the daizenshuu doesn’t talk about zenkai’s because dragon ball dropped power levels

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Wrong. Maybe you should do your research first.

in the past the daizenshuj would explain vegeta’s power increase from 21,000 at the beginning of the namek arc to 2,000,000 using zenkai’s

That's during the namek saga. I said after.

That’s why it’s no longer referenced in Super cause it doesn’t use power levels, but it doesn’t change the fact they do gain them, a zenkai is a Saiyan genetic trait which makes

The super manga flat out says their boosts are tiny now.

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Them stronger from a near death experience, an example of a zenkai in Super is Jiren bashing Vegeta after the final flash and Vegeta getting SSBE.

Getting a new form and a zenkai aren't the same thing.

But yeah zenkai’s still exist

They exist, they just don't do much for them anymore.