@turr said:
@antonio_1996: you are wrong. You don't understand potara fusion. It doesn't just combine power it multiplies it by 800%. In the manga potara Fusion of Goku Rose - Who was roughly on the level of blue- and Zamasu - who was roughly on the level of SSJ2 - created a being so powerful Goku Blue at top speed was desribed to him as NOT EVEN MOVING. a RIDICULOUS boost. It makes sens that Caulifla who is on the level of SSJ2 and Kale who is on the level of Blue at berserk form would create a being so powerful that not even Blue Goku Kaioken could beat her. That's obvious to me.
Berserk Kale was already trashing Blue Goku and one-shotting pride troopers, there's no wonder a fusion that gives her 800% boost and powers of Caulifla would be this strong.
Apparently you don't understand fusion...in fact I know you don't, because it has never been fully explained. What we do know according to Vados is that fusion "adds the power, and multiplies it be several 10's" roughly translated. Thus, potara fusion adds together the power of the 2 users, and multiplies it by some number between 20 and 90. Where did you get this arbitrary "800%" from?
edit: n/m, I found it. lol...you can't use a forum fan calc on a different type of fusion as evidence to tell another user they're wrong. You're simply being condescending in your OWN misunderstanding.
If you want, we ca easily show the scale difference using the provided information:
First, we need to establish a nice base factor. For this we will use Roshi, full power- this is 1.
This is roughly the power of a low level jin 1. This is the power tier of Krillin, and Yamcha as well. Skipping the long part, explaining the various upgrades throughout the series, this puts Base Goku at a 5. Kaulifla and Kale at about a 4. Okay. That is the tier from there. (Yes, the gap between 1 and 2, 2 and 3, etc...are pretty damn big. The reason for that is simple: they're about to get a whole lot bigger and I wanted to keep the math as simple as possible. This is about showing scale and difference, not exact power levels which stopped existing for a reason. I know tire Goku was able to fight them both at once, but that is a difference in ABILITY not power. Goku is simply that much better than them.
Now is where we come to the SSJ multipliers and fusion. SSJ 1 is a canon 50x multiplier from base, and jin 2 is 100x multiplier from base. Thus, jin 1 Goku is now a class 250. Kale and Kaulifla are both hovering at about a class 200. So Kale get's a class rating of 225. Kale being stronger, but not enough to show she can overcome Goku on her own. This means Jin 2 Goku is a class 500, whereas Kaulifla is a class 400, with Kale's boost landing her at 450. This is where it get's interesting...because the two of them were too much for Jin 2 Goku, although it could be argued that this was mostly because he was tired and couldn't summon all his power. That makes sense. Now, they were completely outmatched by SSG of course, but we do not have a multiplier for that. So, let's work the other way:
Kaulifla and Kale fused at in 2, giving them a combined class rating of 850. Now, we use Vados' multiplier to establish a theoretical minimum and theoretical maximum. The minimum class rating would be a 20x multiplier, giving Kefla a minimum base of 17000, and maximum class rating 90 times their combined rating, which would be 76500.
Therefore, assuming both participants are in the same power tier, fusion 191.25x more powerful then the individual participants at the time of fusion. Assuming they are not the same, but are close, the fusion is roughly 180x more powerful. We know that is a multiplier of their form at the time of fusion, and not strictly of their base, because Goku and Vegeta were told not to fuse a SSJ during the Black Arc, or it would shorten their fusion time.
Now those numbers don't MEAN anything. I can't tell another user they "don't know how fusion works" because of them. But I can use them to show the relative difference between them using the only information we have on the fusion.
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