"your forgetting if black adam was to approch him with kryptonite that super man from earth 22 is immunesupes would then knock him into far orbitplus this earth 22 super man is far more experienced and stronger he could take adam out in a matter of mere minutes"
the same way he took out captain marvel in mere minutes eh?
"Apart from KC Superman saying that Marvel was the one soldier who could equal his every move."
All I remember is KC Superman saying that Marvel was faster than he was. That's about it."
superman didn't say anything about him, the old preacher was the one that said he was "the one warrior that could counter his every move" The first time superman mentioned marvel was when batman told him he was going to the gulag. Superman did say he was faster in Justice.
"black adam beats him the same way Captain Marvel was beating him, except he won't mess around like Marvel was."
I agree, though I don't think he would beat him though. Superman wasn't trying to kill Cap Marvel. If given no other choice but disregard killing Black Adam or Cap Marvel, this Superman (being more powerful than the norm), would be a different battle.
I'd go with Superman. He beat Marvel pretty decisively in my opinion. Plus he's more powerful than regular Superman anyway right? Black Adam, at best, is on normal Superman's level. Unless this is KC Black Adam... I can't even recall if he was there.
"I'd go with Superman. He beat Marvel pretty decisively in my opinion. Plus he's more powerful than regular Superman anyway right? Black Adam, at best, is on normal Superman's level. Unless this is KC Black Adam... I can't even recall if he was there. "
So KC Superman is a stronger amped up version of the regular main Superman?
"black adam beats him the same way Captain Marvel was beating him, except he won't mess around like Marvel was."
I agree, though I don't think he would beat him though. Superman wasn't trying to kill Cap Marvel. If given no other choice but disregard killing Black Adam or Cap Marvel, this Superman (being more powerful than the norm), would be a different battle. "
neither was marvel, he was just trying to keep him out of the gulag
"I'd go with Superman. He beat Marvel pretty decisively in my opinion. Plus he's more powerful than regular Superman anyway right? Black Adam, at best, is on normal Superman's level. Unless this is KC Black Adam... I can't even recall if he was there. "
"I'd go with Superman. He beat Marvel pretty decisively in my opinion. Plus he's more powerful than regular Superman anyway right? Black Adam, at best, is on normal Superman's level. Unless this is KC Black Adam... I can't even recall if he was there. "
"I'd go with Superman. He beat Marvel pretty decisively in my opinion. Plus he's more powerful than regular Superman anyway right? Black Adam, at best, is on normal Superman's level. Unless this is KC Black Adam... I can't even recall if he was there. "
"I'd go with Superman. He beat Marvel pretty decisively in my opinion. Plus he's more powerful than regular Superman anyway right? Black Adam, at best, is on normal Superman's level. Unless this is KC Black Adam... I can't even recall if he was there. "
well that proves you haven't read kingdom come"
marvel match superman in KC blow for blow."
superman didn't match him blow for blow"
i never said superman matched him i said marvel, this means that no matter what superman hit him with marvel was coming back and hitting him harder then he was.
The fight ended with Superman's hand covering Billy's mouth. That's a decisive victory any way you define the term. Also Superman was trying to reason with Marvel the entire fight.
"I'd go with Superman. He beat Marvel pretty decisively in my opinion. Plus he's more powerful than regular Superman anyway right? Black Adam, at best, is on normal Superman's level. Unless this is KC Black Adam... I can't even recall if he was there. "
well that proves you haven't read kingdom come"
marvel match superman in KC blow for blow."
superman didn't match him blow for blow"
i never said superman matched him i said marvel, this means that no matter what superman hit him with marvel was coming back and hitting him harder then he was."
The fight ended with Superman's hand covering Billy's mouth. That's a decisive victory any way you define the term. Also Superman was trying to reason with Marvel the entire fight."
I agree with this.
Without the bomb, Superman would have knocked Marvel out with a light tap to the head and then beaten up everybody else.
The fight ended with Superman's hand covering Billy's mouth. That's a decisive victory any way you define the term. Also Superman was trying to reason with Marvel the entire fight."
I agree with this.
Without the bomb, Superman would have knocked Marvel out with a light tap to the head and then beaten up everybody else.
KC Superman for the win.
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...the bomb wasn't there for the majority of the fight. One has to wonder what KC superman was waiting for.
Well its strange then, since he was never shown that captain marvel was the only one who could match KC superman."
So let's review the battle. KC Superman streaks to the Gulag only to be blocked by CM. CM and KC Supes engage in hand to hand combat and CM effectively stalemates KC Supes. It was not until CM used the Lightning Transformation trick on KC Supes, that he offered KC Supes a means to win, as he left himself vulnerable as Billy. So if he had not used the Lightning trick, they could still have been battling until everyone else was dead.
Well its strange then, since he was never shown that captain marvel was the only one who could match KC superman."
So let's review the battle.KC Superman streaks to the Gulag only to be blocked by CM.CM and KC Supes engage in hand to hand combat and CM effectively stalemates KC Supes.It was not until CM used the Lightning Transformation trick on KC Supes, that he offered KC Supes a means to win, as he left himself vulnerable as Billy.So if he had not used the Lightning trick, they could still have been battling until everyone else was dead."
It wasn't a stalemate, the one being knocked around was superman. Marvel was not there to kill him, he was only there to stop him from interfering with the riot. Not everyone else would have been dead either, thanks to alan scott.
It wasn't a stalemate, the one being knocked around was superman. Marvel was not there to kill him, he was only there to stop him from interfering with the riot. Not everyone else would have been dead either, thanks to alan scott."
Marvel stopped him going any further. He equalled his every move. That's a stalemate. Was Superman going all out to hurt CM - no, he did not want to hurt Billy. Superman was surprised by CM's sudden appearance as CM had disappered for years previously. It was not all one sided, like when KC Superman unleashed his heat vision on CM. There was at least discomfort there and possibly some pain.
I don't see BA defeating KC Superman when the most powerful magical attack in CM's arsenal (his lightning bolt) struck Superman several times and Superman was still fighting. Yes, he said 'no more' but that might have been a simple tactic to give himself time. Let's not forget that this version of Superman is a lot more experienced as well so he may well be a lot more aware of opponents tactics.
It wasn't a stalemate, the one being knocked around was superman. Marvel was not there to kill him, he was only there to stop him from interfering with the riot. Not everyone else would have been dead either, thanks to alan scott."
Marvel stopped him going any further. He equalled his every move.That's a stalemate.Was Superman going all out to hurt CM - no, he did not want to hurt Billy.Superman was surprised by CM's sudden appearance as CM had disappered for years previously.It was not all one sided, like when KC Superman unleashed his heat vision on CM. There was at least discomfort there and possibly some pain.I don't see BA defeating KC Superman when the most powerful magical attack in CM's arsenal (his lightning bolt) struck Superman several times and Superman was still fighting.Yes, he said 'no more' but that might have been a simple tactic to give himself time.Let's not forget that this version of Superman is a lot more experienced as well so he may well be a lot more aware of opponents tactics.For me it is a stalemate."
I'm not saying CM could'nt kick KC Supe's butt, but it's obiouse in the panels shown that KC Supe's is trying to talk to Billy not really fight him....
Yes, CM gave KCS an opening why'll calling down the thunder but at the same time that's when KCS finally got tired of messing with CM....Regardless, Supe's won that fight, even if it was because CM was dumb enough to piss KC off enough and give him the opening he needed.
Now, the real question is if Black Adam would give Supe's that kind of chance...probly not. But I also do not believe BA is as powerful as the KC CM....Considering regular Supe's can go toe to toe with Black Adam and KC Supe's is stronger and faster then regular SM. If BA was on par with KC CM then I think he has a VERY good chance of taking this fight...if not, KC Superman takes it.
Was Superman going all out to hurt CM - no, he did not want to hurt Billy. Superman was surprised by CM's sudden appearance as CM had disappered for years previously. It was not all one sided, like when KC Superman unleashed his heat vision on CM. There was at least discomfort there and possibly some pain.
Your entire top page is Superman getting surprised by a flyby from CM> Your entire bottom page is Superman struggling with CM and trying to persuade him to help him and CM punching him once. I don't really call that over powering him.
Waffle Fries said:
I'm not saying CM could'nt kick KC Supe's butt, but it's obiouse in the panels shown that KC Supe's is trying to talk to Billy not really fight him....
Was Superman going all out to hurt CM - no, he did not want to hurt Billy. Superman was surprised by CM's sudden appearance as CM had disappered for years previously. It was not all one sided, like when KC Superman unleashed his heat vision on CM. There was at least discomfort there and possibly some pain.
Your entire top page is Superman getting surprised by a flyby from CM> Your entire bottom page is Superman struggling with CM and trying to persuade him to help him and CM punching him once. I don't really call that over powering him.
Waffle Fries said:
I'm not saying CM could'nt kick KC Supe's butt, but it's obiouse in the panels shown that KC Supe's is trying to talk to Billy not really fight him....
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Creator and Waffle nailed it in one! Superman was never really fighting CM in KC, while CM was being controlled and fighting for Luthor, Superman knew something was amiss, as was stated previously, he appeard out of now where to fight Superman after being MIA for years! Everyone know's full well that Superman doesn't go all out to begin with when fighting criminals/enemies, he sure as hell isn't gonna go any where near all out to fight CM, he was just trying to get through to him during that whole fight, even when CM was raining down the lightning, Superman was still not battling him, but covered his mouth, and in actual fact, won, noth through strength, but word of mouth! Now that's Superman, down to a T!
"the bomb wasn't there for the majority of the fight. One has to wonder what KC superman was waiting for."
For Captain Marvel to snap out of it. Or for an opportunity to beat Marvel. He saw the later when he started using lightning and took it."
But he woudn't beat him with a "tap to the head" the creator said:
"the human Juggernaut said:
show me what superman did to equal this "
The creator said:
Was Superman going all out to hurt CM - no, he did not want to hurt Billy. Superman was surprised by CM's sudden appearance as CM had disappered for years previously. It was not all one sided, like when KC Superman unleashed his heat vision on CM. There was at least discomfort there and possibly some pain.
Your entire top page is Superman getting surprised by a flyby from CM> Your entire bottom page is Superman struggling with CM and trying to persuade him to help him and CM punching him once. I don't really call that over powering him.
Waffle Fries said:
I'm not saying CM could'nt kick KC Supe's butt, but it's obiouse in the panels shown that KC Supe's is trying to talk to Billy not really fight him....
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it is when none of superman's punches had any effect on him
it is when none of superman's punches had any effect on him"
In your scans I don't see CM's punches doing much damage either. Knocking Superman back or down is different to hurting, especially considering they are close in strength and durability.
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