Katherine vs Buffy
@angela_lee: How do you figure that she could control Buffy when she resisted Dracula? And if Buffy's comic feats (which are also canonical) can be used in this debate then this regular STOMP becomes a ROFL-STOMP.
She easily resisted this mind controlling Vampire as well.
@CadenceV2: How fast is Buffy? And how strong?
Buffy is as fast as Angel and Spike.
Angel, Spike, and Average Vampire Speed
1) Angel is 50+ feet away from Lilah. He throws a re bar, killing a psychic. She looks back at him, looks forward real quick, then back again. Angel covers the distance in a blink.
2) Angels speed blitzes 2 humans as a blur from the other side of the room.
1) A lower random Vampire blitzing 3 cops as a blur before they can fire there guns.
2) Spike, who is equals with Angel, is seen here blitzing a human who was sprinting away. He was clrealy drawn as a blur to catch up to her in a flash.
3) Angel chasing another Vampire who is running for their life. He easily blitzes the Vampire chick even tho Vampires are blurs to humans.
4) Angel with his back turned catches a Crossbow Bolt fired less than 20 feet away.
5) Angel easily side steps this Crossbow Bolt shot at him as well the gunfire of these freedom fighters. He then blitzes them before they can shoot again.
6) Faith fires a Bullet Stake that Angel easily sidesteps after it is fired from less than 15 feet away.
7) Angel gets thrown out of a window by Illyria. Illyria then slows time so much that Angels free fall was dead still. Yet Spike still saw her as a blur with those Vampire stats.
Buffy
Strength
Buffy Strength is way beyond Peak human. She is a Slayer, a being with all the strength of the baddest Vampires.
1) Buffy smashes through a huge chunk of brick wall.
2) Buffy slams this demons head so hard into the mooring post, it splinters to pieces! That is thick as a telephone pole.
3) Buffy jumps up fire escapes with a person in one hand.
4) Faith showing her Slayer strength by smashing through concrete while being heavily injured.
5) Buffy smashes Demon through a brick wall.
6) Buffy kicks another Slayer 50 feet away.
7) Buffy smashes a stone statue with a kick.
8) Buffy kicks this Vampire 20 feet in the air.
9) Buffy puts her fist through the giant beetle's exo skeleton head.
10) Buffy kicks this door so hard, the wood sticks in the demon's back.
11) Buffy punches through another door again.
12) Buffy with one hand, throws a human of average weight easily 15 feet to the roof above.
Speed
Buffy Speed is very fast in attack speed and reaction time. She competes with meta humans in speed all the time.
1) Here she is speed blitzing a Demon with her best moves.
2) Dodges gun fire from Alexia, the most highly train Agent of the Watchers, in this she also had Slayer like stats due to Magic Enhancements.
3) Twists around the gunfire of this Demon.
4) Here Buffy dodges a entire American Military gun fire. I was in the military, we are hardly jobbers.
5) Here she dodges multiple attacks from all sides with ease. These attack tendrils are whipping about at here and attack at once.
6) blitzes those blur speed Vampires in large number with a accurate stake to each heart before they can counter attack.
Durability
Her durability to damage is also high. You will notice not too many feats here, there is a reason for this, she does not take damage. She uses speed and skill to avoid damage at all costs. However when she does get hit with crazy force, she keeps chugging.
1) Buffy gets slammed with a Coffin. No effect. Even get a Meat Clever in her wirst, merely annoys her as it fails to cut through the bone.
2) Buffy gets slammed with enough force to smash this tree all the way through, she is winded, but not even KOed.
3) Buffy fights a being with genuine Action Comics Superman powers. He throws her with such force and she smashes through all that stone. She is hurting but not out of the fight or KOed.
4) Another Slayer with the Slayer powers is hit by a Semi Truck. No major Damage, just a headache afterwards.
5) Buffy tanks this insane magical explosion with some burns.
Accuracy
Buffy has inhuman accuracy with hand thrown projectiles.
1) Pins Vampire to the wall.
2-5) Various Stakes thrown at distance.
6) Nail Files as a weapon.
7) Spits a pin out of her mouth, nailing a buzzing fly with it.
8) Uses ceiling fan as a weapon.
Blind Fighting
Buffy has train through out the TV show to fight both blind and in very low light areas.
Mental Resistance
Buffy has shown resistance to mind control. This powerful Vampire has killed several Slayers, yet when he tries to mentally dominate Buffy, she shrugs it off.
Buffy at another time in the Series shown to easily resist Dracula's mental control as well.
@CadenceV2: Tbh, most of the feats you mentioned can easily be achieved by Katherine. Damon tore a SUV's gate with ease. He's also caught crossbow arrows in his hand. Dodged themas well. He, more often than not, isn't even visible to human eye. He has been in high speed car accident, got up and walked away. Stefan once jumped on top of Ferris wheel using his strength. And Katherine was stomping both Damon and Stefan together. TVD vamps are durable enough to jump from a 500ft+ mountain without sustaining any injury at all.
Another huge advantage Katherine has is her healing power. Elena healed from almost being burned in a few seconds. Thwy can regrow their organs.
Jumping high is not a feat of anything and nor is free falling.
Angel free fall from Skyscraper to the ground, twice.
Face first, and was fine. Yet Buffy harms him easy enough.
And you have yet to prove to me any sort of real Skill that Buffy has shown in her comics and series. Buffy is the highest tier of skill in her universe filled with warrior beings and ancient gods.
@cadencev2: Two more things to throw out on the strength real fast. She was strong enough in her early career to bend the barrel of a gun with ease:
And she was also strong enough to lift steel I beams (check around 7 seconds into the video), again, with ease:
@CadenceV2: Oh it is. Jumping from that height and landing on your foot without any problem is a durabilty feat. If a nirmal human did that, their bones will turn to paste. And that cliff was much much taller than a skyscraper.
Buffy is a better fighter, no doubt about it. But Katherine is faster. And her healing factor. She can recover from any damage Buffy does in no time at all. Her pain tolerance is high as well.
Falling and jumping is not a durability feat. My Cat can jump 5 times higher than me. It can fall from 2 stories with no damage. Is it durable enough to with a kick from me to its head? No.
I also showed Angel doing the same things, yet Buffy harms them with blows.
I also seen no proof this Vampire is faster than Angel or Spike who Buffy fights evenly with at all.
The point is Buffy can stake or decap Katherine pretty easy.
What good is Healing when Buffy is so accurate with her kill shots that he in character does against every vampire she fights?
@fallschirmjager: Liked the show from it's very first episode, but had to catch up on others (criminal minds/supernatural)
I had heard of it, but actually watched it because I walked in on my friend when he was starting the series, too, at this line:
He made me sit and watch the whole episode to clear things up lol, then I liked and watched the first season.
@Carter_esque: If you had botheted to read all my post you wouldn't have posted this.
Buffy can run fadt enough to appear as a blur to human eye. Slower vamps than Katherine can run fast enough to completely disappear from the sight.
Katherine is durable enough to survive a fall at terminal velocity.
Her reaction time is fast enough to avoid a blitz from vamps who can disappear from the sight.
Now, feats I postedare either of Damon or Elena. Katherine STOMPED both of them in fight. In fact she stomped Damon and Stefan together in a fight.
Seeing that Katherine can react to Damon, who can completely disappear from sight while running(so faster than Buffy), I see no rwason why Buffy would be able to instantaneously kill her. Of course you'd have known that if you'd read my posts.
I read this:
@CadenceV2: Tbh, most of the feats you mentioned can easily be achieved by Katherine. Damon tore a SUV's gate with ease. He's also caught crossbow arrows in his hand. Dodged themas well. He, more often than not, isn't even visible to human eye. He has been in high speed car accident, got up and walked away. Stefan once jumped on top of Ferris wheel using his strength. And Katherine was stomping both Damon and Stefan together. TVD vamps are durable enough to jump from a 500ft+ mountain without sustaining any injury at all.
Another huge advantage Katherine has is her healing power. Elena healed from almost being burned in a few seconds. Thwy can regrow their organs.
And saw it countered by this:
Jumping high is not a feat of anything and nor is free falling.
Angel free fall from Skyscraper to the ground, twice.
Face first, and was fine. Yet Buffy harms him easy enough.
And you have yet to prove to me any sort of real Skill that Buffy has shown in her comics and series. Buffy is the highest tier of skill in her universe filled with warrior beings and ancient gods.
and this:
@CadenceV2: Oh it is. Jumping from that height and landing on your foot without any problem is a durabilty feat. If a nirmal human did that, their bones will turn to paste. And that cliff was much much taller than a skyscraper.
Buffy is a better fighter, no doubt about it. But Katherine is faster. And her healing factor. She can recover from any damage Buffy does in no time at all. Her pain tolerance is high as well.
Falling and jumping is not a durability feat. My Cat can jump 5 times higher than me. It can fall from 2 stories with no damage. Is it durable enough to with a kick from me to its head? No.
I also showed Angel doing the same things, yet Buffy harms them with blows.
I also seen no proof this Vampire is faster than Angel or Spike who Buffy fights evenly with at all.
The point is Buffy can stake or decap Katherine pretty easy.
What good is Healing when Buffy is so accurate with her kill shots that he in character does against every vampire she fights?
I haven't a TVD vamp achieve any feat feat that hasn't already been achieved by high-tier Buffyverse vamps such as Angel, Spike, and Gunn (during his time as a vamp in Angel Season 6). There's plenty of evidence that suggests that Buffy would kill Katherine just as routinely as any other vamp or demon she's ever beaten. Your points have already been countered w/ much better points than my own already so I'm pretty much done w/ this debate.
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