Katara vs Chief Unalaq (Post-Fusion)

Sifu Katara

Dark Avatar Unalaq

• No bloodbending or Dark Avatar State
• Win by any means
• Basic knowledge
• In character
• Start 10 meters apart
• Fight in the North Pole during the Full Moon

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Unalaq

Unalaq, along with Yun and King Bumi are the only people in the verse who I see taking a hard fought but consistent majority vs Katara in a fair setting( excluding avatars and hax characters).

He wins, but it’s hard work for him.

No single element bender in the entire avatarverse is beating Katara under these conditions, and that includes Unalaq, Katara wins, but Unalaq puts up a fight I guess.

@vengefulshot said:

I know you think very highly of Unalaq so do you mind giving me a brief explanation why? No pressure just genuinely curious because I think he gets lost in the ATLA rankings and I do think he’s better than Korra at waterbending but idk about Katara.

I think a focused Katara can pull this off

You overestimate Katara. In the North Pole, I do agree that most would lose to her. Unalaq isn't one of them. He matched Korra, who would neg-diff Katara under these circumstances.

Unalaq would low-diff this.

Had this been Pre-Fusion Unalaq, he would lose.

He matched a Korra in skill and power. During this time, Korra had mastered all elements. She had surpassed Tenzin in terms of Airbending, she was a better fighter than Katara with waterbending, she was better at Earthbending than Lin, she was a better firebender than Mako and season 3 Zuko.

Unalaq matched her. Katara isn't beating Unalaq.

Unalaq. I guess Emma was right lol. People do overestimate ATLA. NOSTALGIA IS ONE HELL OF A DRUG.

Lol

Katara

@byondeon: Korra never surpassed Tenzin, especially not in B2. Korra being a better fighter than Katara (especially in B2) is extremely debatable as well, and her being better at earth/firebending than Lin or Mako doesn’t really matter. Both are kinda fodder to Katara level benders, and even then if a fight occured between the two using these singular elements Korra can’t really counter Lin’s metalbending versatility (as well as say, Kuvira or Suyin anyway) or Mako’s lightning, so I’m not sure if I could bank on her winning.

This is becoming a trend, and I'm not saying this isn't true, especially with the general fandom outside here, but how is it that you guys never have anything to say but resort to this everytime someone thinks an ATLA character is better While simultaneously favoring Lok characters with no additional reason given on the thread?, lol isn't that a bit hypocritical?.

@aystarr said:

@ben2004 said:

Unalaq. I guess Emma was right lol. People do overestimate ATLA. NOSTALGIA IS ONE HELL OF A DRUG.

This is becoming a trend, and I'm not saying this isn't true, especially with the general fandom outside here, but how is it that you guys never have anything to say but resort to this everytime someone thinks an ATLA character is better While simultaneously favoring Lok characters with no additional reason given on the thread?, lol isn't that a bit hypocritical?.

idk who "you guys" are but you are 100% right and I agree with everything you said

This is an indubitably, incredibly wild one for me to agree with but... I agree with you here. There's some challenges, but like... short of bull like Sozin's Comet or a single-element AS, I wholeheartedly agree.

@byondeon said:

I tend to side with Unalaq - albeit after long fights and with extreme difficulty.

Katara is undoubtedly the strongest water bender in the series. She wins. All she has to do is step and she could instantly freeze him with ice under his feet.

Unalaq in this state matched a fully realised Avatar. I love Katara but she would never be able to replicate this feat. Korra or Aang going all out would destroy her, even with a full moon.

Depends you can either use a singular or cumulative argument. Unalaq has the better singular combat performance against Korra during Harmonic Convergence. Cumulatively Katara has a large wealth of feats to draw from to even it out.

Katara isn't even top 5 strongest.

1. Korra
2. Unalaq
3. Amon
4. Tarrlok
5. Yakkone
6. Katara

Katara getting neg-low diffed here.

@ben2004: katara is occasionally overrated on here but i genuinely think the fight can go either way. katara is the most strategic and skilled water bender in the verse and many of her feats are entirely unique to her and her alone. i can see her taking it high difficulty.

katara is top 3 when it comes to single element benders

hmmm top 3 seems a bit too high. Do you mean in terms of ATLA or the entire verse (ATLA/LOK)? Also, who is your top 3?

@byondeon: Katara only threat to her status is Unalaq. Korra does not match Katara's skill in a single element non AS boosted battle. Unalaq is still below since he has less raw feats and skill showings than Katara. The other 3 are just blood benders which she has already shown to resist from just her water bending alone and their waterbending feats are lackluster outside of bloodbending lol.

Note all of Katara's feats came from her as a kid and they can match these people in their primes. Prime Katara is undoubtedly the best waterbender.

@byondeon:

She literally would destroy Tenzin in a fight. She is better than Tenzin in season 2. Not by much, but she is better.

Tenzin was fighting multiple Red Lotus members and was holding his own against them. Korra doesn’t surpass Tenzin Until season 4

Nope, Korra is a much better fighter. With water, she and Unalaq is unrivalled.

Based off what? is it the scale of their attacks or their combat feats? Because Katara has just as good if not better feats and scale than either of them

Lin would beat Azula in a fight

Azula was consistently superior to Zuko and Aang and Lin doesn’t even have the feats to beat them

No. Lin would beat Katara in a neutral location

With what feat? Lin was one of the least impressive LoK characters

Katara wank is crazy, huh. Of course Unalaq wins.

@kataraaaa: okay so I’m like a week late but yeah sure.

Also on mobile so no gifs.

So Unalaq is one of the few people in the verse that can perform multiple high ends simultaneously. The waterspout + X.

This would be equivalent to Katara blocking old iron on top of a spout or Toph blocking Aangs AS fire whilst doing something else. It shows an absurd amount of control, mastery and power. Slapping away Korras AS rockalanche with the utmost ease is the best example, but that entire fight is littered with him doing high ends whilst wizzing around on a spout.

He also has absurd but undiscussed speed feats, like keeping up with Korra and Mako with a pouch, stomping the brothers together, his last minute move vs Tonraq.

Combined it makes it very difficult to react to his attacks which pack a serious punch; enough to honestly punch through most characters defences in a oneshot based on the rockalanche feat.

@ben2004: ignoring hax the best single element benders in no particular order are:

tenzin

bumi

katara

azula

p’li

unalaq

toph

kuvira

Unalaq. Katara is overrated

I'll give his fights a rewatch

What are these comments? 💀

God forbid a character isn't evil because this is ridiculous, Katara has no reason to fight an Avatar, Katara has replicated the speed and much more power in scale and potency than unalaq ever did in his fights against Korra, Korra was slamming unalaq when she switched to waterbending,guess who she learned that from?.

Unalaq isn't even a better waterbender than Korra, not only did Korra outskill him but he had to resort to the avatar state to actually regain control after she binded him because his waterbending couldn't help, is this the person that wants to overpower or outskill Katara?.

Just because unalaq fought Korra with all elements doesn't make him the Highest ranking character, don't forget that regardless of Korra having four elements, she's still one person and has shown to only be using 1-2 at once and her mastery with those elements are not even on the highest level so most high tier characters would be able to handle them, this is why azula could overpower aang even with 3 elements or kuvira could keep up with Korra even with Korra having 3 elements.

And how would Korra or aang destroy her, if they didn't destroy Azula or Kuvira in base form, two characters notably inferior to Katara?

Katara is canonically by feats and statements the strongest bender in ATLA and by extension possibly the verse seeing as Atla has the best high tier benders we've seen so far, it's not overrating when it's literally official. As a matter of fact, she has much more in verse credibility than anyone both of you are probably thinking of.

God forbid a character isn't evil because this is ridiculous, Katara has no reason to fight an Avatar, Katara has replicated the speed and much more power in scale and potency than unalaq ever did in his fights against Korra, Korra was slamming unalaq when she switched to waterbending,guess who she learned that from?.

Much more power and scale? Unalaq was riding a building sized spout during his entire fight with Korra.

You can literally see how high the spout is in this shot where he's looking from below.

Where in this same video you can see Unalaq literally try to bury Korra and crush her to death..

More potency than the guy who smashed a dozen large boulders from AS Korra with water whips?

Katara can redirect Unalaq's water arms, as he can do to her. So it's not an advantage she has over him.

Unalaq isn't even a better waterbender than Korra

Is Katara?

not only did Korra outskill him but he had to resort to the avatar state to actually regain control after she binded him because his waterbending couldn't help, is this the person that wants to overpower or outskill Katara?.

Korra had to resort to the avatar state to compete with Unalaq from the jump. Seeing as he was kicking her ass for majoirty of that fight. And Katara may have trained Korra but they don't fight similarly at all. Korra relies a lot more on physicals and large scale attacks, Katara is more precise and relies on water redirection.

Just because unalaq fought Korra with all elements doesn't make him the Highest ranking character, don't forget that regardless of Korra having four elements, she's still one person and has shown to only be using 1-2 at once and her mastery with those elements are not even on the highest level so most high tier characters would be able to handle them, this is why azula could overpower aang even with 3 elements or kuvira could keep up with Korra even with Korra having 3 elements.

Aang wasn't a fully realized avatar when he fought Azula, and Kuvira lost to Korra when she didn't even have water to bend. Korra is a top tier bender with all 4 of her elements, including water.

And how would Korra or aang destroy her, if they didn't destroy Azula or Kuvira in base form, two characters notably inferior to Katara?

Katara can hold her own for a bit, but she is still far outmatched vs fully realized Korra or Aang. She doesn't have a single advantage over either of them and this includes things like physical durability, which Azula atleast has over Aang.

Katara is canonically by feats and statements the strongest bender in ATLA

lol no she's not

and by extension possibly the verse seeing as Atla has the best high tier benders we've seen so far, it's not overrating when it's literally official. As a matter of fact, she has much more in verse credibility than anyone both of you are probably thinking of.

Your opinion is official I suppose. Katara being a top 3 single element bender isn't overrating her but when you treat it as fact when there's a legit argument Unalaq is better than her that's when people start saying you're overrating her.

@kataraaaa: Building sprouts were being done in book one, and he was amped by the full moon in that instance lol. The width of the water is also extremely thin, and it´s not even comparable to being a top-tier water-bending feat when measuring the amount he was controlling. Katara has canonically shown better raw power showings than that single water-bending feat even in a normal environment. Unalaq crushing Korra is hardly impressive either when she´s being enclosed in an ice barrage to prevent movements from bending. Taking context, and applying it incorrectly doesn't make it true.

@bigbaby said:

Building sprouts were being done in book one,

By Korra? How is that a knock? And it isn't just that he's wielding a spout, it's that he loses none of his combative prowess and offensive capabilities despite using a spout. Spouts typically sacrifice agility for combat speed and leave you more vulnerable as you're more stationary. We saw it happen to both Korra (who's the best spout user besides Unalaq) vs the twins and Ming vs Kya.

and he was amped by the full moon in that instance lol.

Proof? And even if he was this wouldn't matter, seeing how most of Katara's best scale feats also happen to be full moon.

The width of the water is also extremely thin, and it´s not even comparable to being a top-tier water-bending feat when measuring the amount he was controlling.

Of the spout? Yea spouts typically aren't going to be very wide, it's not even an attack per say, it's just amplified mobility on a building level scale in height, which makes him hard to reach and allows him to suppress any AOE attacks Katara tries to hit him with. I also have proof for this, by the way.

He instantly creates a spout and has the speed and mobility with it to evade attacks from an AS Korra, even when Korra herself amplified her mobility.

Also for the record, bending fights are rarely won by scale, and Unalaq's smaller scale attacks have shown better potency than Katara's, and like I said his spout negates any scale advantage she has.

Katara has canonically shown better raw power showings than that single water-bending feat even in a normal environment.

So do post these showings. Especially those that can be insta-created and actively maintained in combat. Unalaq's spout is building level scale he can maintain throughout the entire fight. Katara's best unamped scale feat is the battleship, which requires more time to perform, this isn't even getting to the fact Unalaq can amplify his height of the same spout, and he loses none of the previously mentioned advantages while doing-so.

Unalaq crushing Korra is hardly impressive either when she´s being enclosed in an ice barrage to prevent movements from bending lol.

Well that's the point, Unalaq enclosed her movements by creating a fissure, and he showed the ability to manipulate said fissure to attempt a lethal attack, which is large scale bending in itself...

Just going to add a few things.

@bigbaby said:

Building sprouts were being done in book one,

Whether you mean book 1 ATLA or book 1 Korra, the waterspout is the sign of a high level waterbending master. And their is a clear historical precedent in the franchise for that.

Spirits: Lady Tienhai, Avatar State Aang

Avatars: Korra and Unalaq

Psychic Benders: Amon and Ming Hua

Full Moon Bender: Pakku

All top tier waterbenders or spiritual beings. But Unalaq's usage went beyond anything we've seen.

He recombined his waterspout as it was being bisected, that's crazy skill.

and he was amped by the full moon in that instance lol.

No full moon, but definitely stronger post fusion.

It's funny because there is the occasional complaint that Ozai didn't do enough to showcase his firebending mastery(though I don't think that's the case). Meanwhile Unalaq did a waterspout+water whip+octopus formation+localized freezing combo simultaneously to surprise Korra to get the upperhand over her. And we get...*crickets*.

I know people don't like him but he ATE.

@kataraaaa: why are you responding to me on this lol, I didn't @ you, we've had discussions and this will definitely includes things I've told you before, you know that, my response to your comments are the things I told you in previous threads. I'm not gonna repeat the same things with you on multiple threads, I'm not that other person you do it with on MCU stuff, you won't find that with me lol.

@tektonic said:

I'd even say despite Korra mixing up her offesnive/defense, when she uses redirection techniques in her major fights, it absolutely floors her opponent(Unalaq, Kuvira). Whereas with Katara it isn't as lethal.

Fair observation, I do think Katara is better with the technique though (or atleast uses it more often), though it could suggest Korra knows when the perfect time to utilize this technique is, which would go hand to hand with her combative skill and not just her top tier bending.

That also reminds me that this fight will be easier for Unalaq to utilize his elevation and mobility advantages on a spout, because Katara isn't as agile as Korra and can't rely on evading his attacks with physicals, and she's nowhere near as durable either, so Unalaq won't have to land as many hits to win. That helps too since Unalaq has attacked with barrages more than once.

Whereas against just water redirection, Unalaq can do it himself as shown with his tug of war with Korra, and he has both the defenses and mobility to handle what Katara throws at him depending on which he resorts to.

Say it louder. Some fans want to pretend her earthbending is magically far behind her other elements, even though it's just a matter of screentime, and the shift to metalbending supplanting it.

Even than, her earthbending usage in terms of efficiency, quality of techniques, attack rate, scale etc. Are actually better than her LOK contemporaries Lin and Bolin.

I was actually thinking about earth only Korra vs EOS Bolin not too long ago, which is interesting, since I do agree Korra's earthbending is her weakest element, but she still has some top tier raw power feats especially as shown with her fight against Tarrlok, the equalists, and vs the mech. I'm not sure if she can beat Bolin with just earth (if he's going all out and utilizes his lava anyway), but she's definitely an earthbending master who's better than him in just pure earth-earth. Korra's shown the ability to combine her firebending and earthbending into barrages of large scale attacks too:

That's her manipulating 5 large boulders whilst using jets simultaneously, this is similar (not quite there, but still) to Unalaq's spout usage... and she's using 2 elements instead of 1 to do it, which definitely implies high level mastery of both. Lin gets a lot of credit for her raising a bunch of boulders at the end of B1, but this feat for comic vine context is definitely more impressive since it was during combat.

It's funny because there is the occasional complaint that Ozai didn't do enough to showcase his firebending mastery(though I don't think that's the case). Meanwhile Unalaq did a waterspout+water whip+octopus formation+localized freezing combo simultaneously to surprise Korra to get the upperhand over her. And we get...*crickets*.

It's interesting you mention that, looking over Korra's spout usage and what she can do with it, we've seen her:

• Manipulate water from other sources to create ice spikes strong enough to break planes on impact.
• Expand her spout as a large AOE move to disorient her opponent
• Throw fire blasts (using 2 elements at once for different purposes), while on top of the spout
• Convert her spout into water whips she uses for offense later
• Has building sized scale with it as mentioned earlier

And Unalaq is better than her with the same technique. Says a lot.

THIS!, It's really all intentional misinterpretation at the end of the day, that's why I don't take it serious anymore lol.

@aystarr said:

Because you claimed things such as Katara's superior potency over Unalaq, her being the best bender in the show when you have Aang of all people who is 100% superior, and claimed Korra being a better water bender than Unalaq (which is highly debatable) meant Katara was better too, which is basically you saying Katara > Korra in waterbending is fact, which is also highly debatable. This has nothing to do with Toph vs Katara or whatever it is you're referring to. Which I now see you're STILL trying to downplay Toph blocking 3 fireballs from AS Aang when you can clearly see by the motion of their arms Toph's the only one who raised that giant barrier just because it matches the attempt to wank Katara to avatar state level. XD

@aystarr:

This is a reach, Katara has been shown to use mobility and bending multiple times, this is just making up complexity out of nothing, Pakku, Ming Hua, Korra etc have all used mobility like spout while performing other high end moves before

Neither of them, including Katara, used a master level technique for prolonged period of time with that scale and control while fighting an opponent as powerful as Korra. He was riding the spout that entire fight, excluding the moment when he landed to split the glacier and try to crush Korra.

Katara would be argued to be more skilled than all the people listed here

You are free to argue that, but it's debatable at the very least in regards to Korra and Unalaq.

her mobility is already much more efficient than theirs

Not her ability to fight as efficiently while using that mobility. Not at all.

at the end of the day, none of this matters if he's overall output in power and skill is inferior to Katara's, even if we assume that Katara can't do what he does or can't utilize it on his level (which is false)

It's not false. And her output in power and especially skill is not superior either.

how is it going to matter if she can handle everything he throws at her?.

How is this helping her if the opposite is true as well?

Korra flashed the AS to lift the boulders while simultaneously maintaining her Airspout, it's not even clear that she did use the AS to launch those attacks past that

So she couldn't lift those rocks without the boost but could yeet them at him without it? How is this supposed to make sense?

Obviously the one driving out the maintained use of the AS with effort, implying more power at play would be greater.

You do realize that some of the craziest bending feats in the entire setting (including the absolutely best one) were done with just an eye flash, right? Like Kyoshi's island feat? Or Aang putting out fires after Ozai fight? The idea that staying in it implies that there's more power at play is entirely baseless. It's just lowballing.

Also the part about Toph was not only done by her and her Student

It's pretty self-evident in the panel that the students are holding the rock shield in front of Toph protecting her, and she's the one raising the platform to block the attack.

it was also against aang that wanted to destroy the building reluctantly so his attack was always going to be the level of that building, while still impressive regardless, this is within the range of multiple high tier benders and shouldn't be made out to be what it isn't

Name ONE bender who destroyed something comparable in one attack. And how is Aang being reluctant is supposed to matter if he still clearly attempted to do it and used enough power for it?

you really cannot compare The power required to stop an attack that was going against the AS with effort to quick flashes to support specific attacks ( if we should assume they were done under the circumstances you've interpreted them as) or reluctant planned attacks

Because? If you want to lowball this much it can work against Katara as well, because all Aang did was stalemating Old Iron's attacks, it doesn't indicate he was using the full force of the avatar state either. Not that he needed to anyway, because Old Iron never even showed comparable power behind his attacks.

Katara has fought faster or relatively equal characters like Azula who was dominating the combined speed of both zuko and Aang at one point

What? No she wasn't. Azula was dealing with Zuko and keeping Aang at bay who wasn't even attacking her in that fight. Except once.

reacted to faster characters at close range like Tylee when she's not even at a 100%, the same one that was able to blitz like a dozen soldiers in seconds, something mako and Bolin can't do

When did Katara? Or Azula? And since when blitzing fodder is in any way impressive or relevant? Especially featless fodder.

Also fighting the combined team Tylee and Mai

Again - when? During the chase? At no point did she fight both of them at the same time. Mai and Ty Lee just switched opponents.

and even keeping up with the combined effort of Azula and Zuko at one point, only getting overpowered due to the weakened defense.and having no issues reacting and keeping up with their attacks

For whole three seconds. Literally.

He can't outspeed her with combat speed, I believe you're aware of this

Neither can she.

Katara has feats of outrunning comet enhanced Azula, she has even matched Aang's travel speed which is one of the fastest in the verse at one point

Which isn't the same as maintaining fully functional level of offense and defense WHILE utilizing that level of mobility, which she never did.

Unalaq is good but Katara just has him beat in most important factors, her scale feats with her bending and converting water the size of multiple battleships or the factory wave for examples are much better than anything we've seen unalaq do

And completely and entirely irrelevant in combat. It's not her combat scale and she never utilized that level of scale in active combat scenario. Otherwise you're basically admitting that Toph is better, because her library feat is still superior.

their bending power and potency even excluding the ones discussed above is still in Katara's favor

According to nothing except your lowballing.

she's much more versatile, has better display of skills, and More factors and statements

Her showing more techniques doesn't matter as there's not a single one among them that he wouldn't be able to block or dodge, and she doesn't have any statements that put her above him either. More "factors" is just being vague for the sake of adding supposed advantages to her.

unalaq just isn't better

He certainly isn't worse.

Unalaq would probably win, since you gave him Vaatu, the Harmonic Convergence's effects, and restricted Katara's bloodbending. Not that she still couldn't win, but maybe not the majority of times.

I have to give him credit for matching a 14 year old under these once-every-ten-thousand-years conditions though. Great for him.

Lmao.

Katara probs wins this, but just barely. That ATLA movie needs to come sooner. 2025 is...the world might end before it comes out lol

All this is funny realizing the only reason people here think unalaq is better is because of they like his fighting style, not even that it is better or because he has any advantage whatsoever against her in any aspect of bending lol.

The arguments are like "oh, unalaq looked so cool doing this, he must definitely be the better one", not considering interaction or anything else lol.

Seems people are just being dismissive and salty while failing to make a good case for Katara. Claiming that there were some "Harmonic Convergence effects" at play and pretending like everyone's crazy about Unalaq's "cool fighting style" just looks very awkward.