Katakuri, Marco the Phoenix, Benn Beckman & King the Wildfire
VERSUS
Roronoa Zoro, Sabo, Shiryu the Rain & Silvers Rayleigh
Stipulations
4 vs 4 / Perfect Teamwork
The first commanders.
Oddly enough I think Rayleigh may be a weak link here. He's good but he's old so he is unlikely to have the "fight for days" stamina most commanders traditionally have/are assumed to have
@hypnos0929: I don't think King would have posed as much of a threat to Kizaru as Rayleigh did and while he was out of shape no less. After training Luffy he's back in shape again and has Mastery of all 3 forms of Haki. Including Ryou. No Yonko Commander is beating him 1v1 at this point.
@funkynamu: If you are saying this because of the rumor where it was said the Benn is almost equal to Shanks...
That is a scan that was taken out of context. In the same scan, in the same sentence, it literally says to take this rumor with a grain of salt. He's not Yonko level lol.
@mee09: idk about all that. King has been a pretty solid first commander, and don't forget he was the one who Kaido was bringing to MF. I think he could beat Rayleigh in a tough fight.
@hypnos0929: He's still not on the level of Rayleigh. Kizaru wouldn't have been forced into a literal stalemate by King. And Rayleigh's Mastery of Haki is much more advanced than King's.
It'd be very odd to see Oda making someone like Rayleigh who even has Ryou lose to a 1st Commander like King. Even though I for now at least have King slightly above Katakuri. IF Oda was going to make a Yonko Commander beat Rayleigh 1v1 it'd probably be him. As his level of Haki Mastery is closer to Rayleigh's than King's would be.
Also Rayleigh was out of shape when he fought Kizaru. Even back then at that Pre-Timeskip level I can't see King making Kizaru respect him that much during a fight. But now he's probably a whole lot stronger than he was during that fight. Not at Prime levels obviously but still stronger.
@funkynamu: Lol alright now I know that you are trolling.
But he literally ignores Beckman and proceeded to attack not very long after. Again you seem to have omitted the entirety of the instance you are using in your argument. It's pretty common knowledge among the fanbase that Kizaru wasn't actually scared there.
@comicvinepoozer1: If Sabo wasn't there maybe I'd agree. But he was so much stronger than Marco Pre-Timeskip that if he showed up to Marineford Ace wouldn't have died.
@readysetgo: He was trolling. That's why he proceeded to attack and didn't care that Ben was there not very long after.
There are also some people that speculate. Ben didn't outright shoot Kizaru. Because he didn't want to start a fight with him. Being the smartest man in East Blue he'd know that it isn't a fight he would win. This can be taken with a grain of salt though lol.
@mee09: He attacked when Benn Beckman wasn't paying attention. That's the only explanation. I doubt Kizaru is the sarcastic type. They must have prior history in the history books.
@readysetgo: None of that matters because Ben could have still intervened at any point. But he never did.
Ben also shot at Kizaru while he wasn't paying attention as well. So it's an all around bad argument to make.
@mee09: The new generation always surpasses the old one. Shanks use to be part of Rogers crew. Rayleigh was Roger's right hand. But now, Benn Beckman is Shanks right hand.
Beckman surpassed Rayleigh like one day Zoro will surpass Beckman. But his time isn't now yet.
Shanks by himself stopped the war with all three admiral, Garp, Sengoku and Blackbeard present. Benn being Shank's right hand should be Akianu level if not stronger in my opinion.
@readysetgo: Kizaru > Akianu
@funkynamu: Lol alright now I know that you are trolling.
But he literally ignores Beckman and proceeded to attack not very long after. Again you seem to have omitted the entirety of the instance you are using in your argument. It's pretty common knowledge among the fanbase that Kizaru wasn't actually scared there.
Maybe you right
I think you're over hyping Rayleigh based on his fight with the least serious admiral... but that's not surprising considering you put Sabo above Marco.
In shape or not Rayleigh shouldn't be extremely above or below King and I'd put the old man below considering his age.
King was the only calamity going to MF with Kaido. No reason to think Rayleigh is above a first commander of the only merit based crew.
@readysetgo: Kizaru > Akianu
Fleet Admiral > Regular Admiral
@wushu59: Benn Beckman scales to Shanks
@readysetgo: Kizaru > Akianu
Fleet Admiral > Regular Admiral
That don't mean nothing
Pre-SkipAdmirals > Sengoku
Kizaru was ready to fight Kaido by himself
That's a lot of assumption based on nothing. You make seem Shanks was light years ahead of admirals when he hasn't proven to be.
And Kizaru was obviously trolling.
I've never seen so much wank for someone with 0 feats. Talking about Benn Beckman of course.
Stronger then Akianu? Lol
That's what speculation is for.
That's a lot of assumption based on nothing. You make seem Shanks was light years ahead of admirals when he hasn't proven to be.
And Kizaru was obviously trolling.
Shanks stopped the whole war by himself. Not really based on nothing. Benn Beckman will have his day one day and I'll come back and tell I told you so when he does. How's that?
@readysetgo: Kizaru > Akianu
Fleet Admiral > Regular Admiral
That don't mean nothing
Pre-SkipAdmirals > Sengoku
Kizaru was ready to fight Kaido by himself
Doesn't mean he would win.
@readysetgo: I highly doubt Oda would put random character like Benn Beckman above a main antagonist like Akianu
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