Karathen and Superman (DCEU) vs Prime Surtur (MCU)

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Lets just assume that Karathen can move/breathe on surface (like in the ending shot).

Takes place on Asgard

Surtur still.

Superman solos

Superman>>>Sutrur >>>>>>monster

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FYI Surtur at his prime is 4000 meters or 13123 feet. Surtur stomos literally.

@granitevision: That is objectively wrong. Karathen is officially stated to be the most powerful creature on DCEU Earth. At least in raw power/strength it is above Superman.

Surtur steps on the Karathan and blows himself up killing Superman

Surtur stomps.

Superman solos

Still Surtur. He cleaves the Karathen in 2.

I can imagine Superman soloing after a while. His speed combined will small size can make his bullrushes devastating.

Karathen isn't on the level with Surtur though.

Superman solos.

I'm just going to say IDK with Superman.

Karathen gets disintegrated.

Karathen gets stomped. Superman flies away and stalemates. Not sure how Superman would fair against Surtur if he tried.

*sigh* Surtur effortlessly. He was unaffected by Hulk plunging into him like a cannon and repeatedly hitting his weakspot, so what is Superman going to do exactly besides be an annoying insect?

@tyger: I mean Superman's faster and stronger than Hulk and can fly, so he'd land dozens if not hundreds of hits before Surtur touched him. I'd imagine he'd eventually do some real damage. Would probably win soundly if he was aware of Surtur's "weakspot" (though not sure it's a weakspot in his prime form...)

@amcu: Pretty sure Hela’s massive blades that Surter dodged were like Mach 5...

OT: Surter Stomps. MCU Characters Like Surter And Odin are in a different tier

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Faster sure but not stronger. I know Superman has more clear and defined feats but just by scaling Hulk off Thor he'd easily stomp Superman. Thor on Nidevillir demonstrated moon level strength when he moved those rings and Thor is only half as strong as Hulk.

Superman is way faster than that. I was thinking something along the lines of the World Engine bullrush. Eventually that might do some damage. Surtur's durability is really high though. I just don't see him tagging Clark.

Surtur beats Karathen. Stalemates superman.

Surtur still stomps.

Surtur gets stomped

Superman flies through him like a bullet

@amcu: Superman is also lighter than Hela’s largest blades. (In the neighborhood of something like nine orders of magnitude lighter.) His speed doesn’t even come close to compensating.

@mrnoital: You realize how adorable that is in the context of Surtur’s feats right? What’s knocking Doomsday around supposed to mean to a guy bigger than the freaking ISLAND they’re fighting on?

Surtur kills the karathen but stalemates Superman.

Karathen is irrelevant here. Just simply not big enough (i think?) to be a factor here. Superman picks up Surtur by his horns and lifts him off Asgard and into space. Superman > Surtur > Karathen

@mk39: if hulk can jump on him hard enough to knock him back, a bullrush from Superman is knocking the crown off his head.

@mk39:

Surter got staggered by hulk. Superman can actually fly, he'd knock his crown off. He could pick him up and leave with him.

he also had several kilometres of distance between him and Hela to move out of the way. That's why the blades were calc'ed at Mach 5 in the first place. The blades were also gigantic targets which making dodging them much easier juxtaposed to Superman

@essem:

Karathen was confirmed to be 2 miles long by the company that did the visuals, that's nearly the same size as Surtur.

@icec0ld: Which is really just a stupidly high showing for the Hulk. Surtur took Hela’s Mach-speed, kilometer-long ballistas like a champ. Superman might as well be a spitball, and even that analogy underplays the sheer size difference.

@essem: When has Superman ever lifted anything remotely that big? He’s can’t even spread his arms out wide enough to grab both horns. He can’t even get both his arms around ONE horn. I could literally give you Superman’s newspaper tectonic plate feat for free and he still wouldn’t be strong enough.

I urge you people to seriously look into the VFX team’s description of Surtur, crunch the numbers and try to wrap your head around the size of this guy. He’s not your run of the mill kaiju. He makes Godzilla look downright quaint.

Karathen is over 3 km long, and should logically have huge amounts of strength just to move a body of that size. If Superman plays smart, he won't get hit.

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@kirkseven: @x_insignia1: Where are these figures coming from?

@mk39: headcanon lol, the karathen is no where NEAR 3 km.

@mk39: Tectonic plates weigh sextillions of tons. If you think the karathen really weighs that much, I honestly don’t know what to say.

@matthew660: I don’t think the Karathen weighs anywhere near that much. That’s kind of my point.

@mk39: Oh, I guess I misunderstood your post, sorry about that.

@mk39: and what are his fantastic feats? Getting stabbed by Helas blades in the shoulder and keeping going?

Neat, too bad she never went for the head to take the crown off

@mk39:

https://www.artofvfx.com/aquaman-jeff-white-vfx-supervisor-and-cedric-lo-animation-supervisor-industrial-light-magic/

@matthew660:

The folks that worked on the model appear to disagree with you

https://www.artofvfx.com/aquaman-jeff-white-vfx-supervisor-and-cedric-lo-animation-supervisor-industrial-light-magic/

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Surtur one-shots Karathen and then accidentally one-shots himself by trying to tag Clark.

@tyger

Where did you get the strength ratio for Thor to Hulk being 1/2?

Interviewer: Which createure or animal is your favorite?

Jeff White : Karathen hands down, how often do you get to build a two mile long creature that emerges from under the sea floor covered in lava that is voiced by Julie Andrews!

Now that we cleared that up....

Try...

-Moving his own 4000-meter tall frame around with little difficulty.

-Heaving his gargantuan sword (more than half as long as he is tall) around with little difficulty.

-The aforementioned necroblade-tanking feat.

-Razing Asgard to the ground in a few sword swipes.

-Destroying a small-island-sized planetoid in a single, dedicated thrust.

That fantastic enough?

She does though. He dodges it.

At what point does the film suggest this would even work?

@nwgzsjuwhm96y2: surtur from mcu is 1000 times weaker than his comic book version. If it was comic book version surtur, he would stomp, but supes got this on his own since movie supes was like a marvel mid tier (The thing, colossus, groot, she hulk, etc).

@mk39:

https://www.artofvfx.com/aquaman-jeff-white-vfx-supervisor-and-cedric-lo-animation-supervisor-industrial-light-magic/

Which creature or animal is your favorite?

Jeff White // Karathen hands down, how often do you get to build a two mile long creature that emerges from under the sea floor covered in lava that is voiced by Julie Andrews!

2 miles is roughly 3.22 km.

@mk39: you're actually impressed that he's able to move himself around? thats cute

Surtur is the mountain

and Superman and Zods fight actually destroyed more building than Surtur did with their bodies

when Surtur said his crown is the source of his power, and plunging it into the enternal flame would make him grow huge, so taking the crown out again, would be again taking out the source of his power, thats how Thor beat his crippled form, thats how to beat his full form, it was pretty clearly explained right at the beginning

oh and destroying Asgard, people are pretty sure that was just his sword hitting that diamond thing at its core which was pretty much a self destruct button

Surtur gets stomped

Superman flies through him like a bullet

Basically this ^

It does amuse me that the same people that think Superman can just fly through Surtur and kill him are the same people that think Karathen is Doomsday level.

Superman annoys him for a bit until Surtur hits the ground once. End of.

Comparing Surtur and Karathen-

Surtur was apparently 4km in peak size. Karathen was recently confirmed to be 2 miles/3.22 km so there isn't much difference in size.

In terms of strength, Surtur's best feat is busting out of the Asgardian Palace. Karathen burrowed from thousands of kilometers down the Earth's crust upto the sea floor (since it was covered in Lava). It simply wiped out a large chunk of the Atlantean force with just its tentacles. In terms of Strength, Karathen >>>>>> Surtur. The feats aren't even comparable.

In terms of energy/heat durability, Karathen no sells lava like it's not even bothering her. A single Atlantean gun can bust a mini hill. Karathen no sold like thousands of those rifles and didn't even flinch. I don't think Surtur can harm Karathen significantly unless it decides to Asteroid bust (we'll address this as well).

Regarding busting Asgard, I think the script of Thor Ragnarok clearly reveals that Surtur could do it only after destroying the Crystal base of Asgard or something. I don't remember it very accurately but there definitely is context behind that feat. Surtur was staggered by Hulk just leaping on him. A single swipe of Karathen's tentacles will topple him and will definitely harm him significantly and Surtur isn't fast enough to escape her. The only thing we're not sure about is Karathen's piercing durability so I'm not saying Karathen downright stomps Surtur but don't forget we have Superman in the DC team too.

Hela's swords were able to pierce Surtur and apparently they travelled at Mach 5. If that's the case then Superman solos. He can travel at triple digit Mach speeds, can bust mountain tops by just falling on them and one shotted the skyscraper sized World Engine by flying through it despite the Kryptonian atmosphere and gravity. I'm pretty sure Superman will be easily able to one shot Surtur that way. Superman is invulnerable to fire, having not been burned by a nuclear fireball, so Surtur has no chance of hurting him or tagging him due to the speed. If we consider the tectonic plate feat as legit then Superman throws Surtur to space.

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