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#1 Posted by TonyMartial (9324 posts) - - Show Bio
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Lets just assume that Karathen can move/breathe on surface (like in the ending shot).

Takes place on Asgard

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#2 Posted by The_Red_Devil (4815 posts) - - Show Bio

Surtur still.

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#3 Edited by GraniteVision (3239 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman solos

Superman>>>Sutrur >>>>>>monster

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#4 Posted by APEX_pretador (20330 posts) - - Show Bio

surtur

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#5 Posted by mrmonster (15165 posts) - - Show Bio

Team

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#6 Posted by NWgzsjUwhM96Y2 (3822 posts) - - Show Bio

FYI Surtur at his prime is 4000 meters or 13123 feet. Surtur stomos literally.

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#7 Edited by NWgzsjUwhM96Y2 (3822 posts) - - Show Bio

@granitevision: That is objectively wrong. Karathen is officially stated to be the most powerful creature on DCEU Earth. At least in raw power/strength it is above Superman.

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#8 Edited by CyberpunkCop (3406 posts) - - Show Bio

Surtur steps on the Karathan and blows himself up killing Superman

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#9 Posted by ThunderPrince (6968 posts) - - Show Bio

Surtur stomps.

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#10 Posted by YOA_501 (685 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman solos

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#11 Edited by Mr_Shazam0920 (4528 posts) - - Show Bio

Still Surtur. He cleaves the Karathen in 2.

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#12 Posted by Amcu (16657 posts) - - Show Bio

I can imagine Superman soloing after a while. His speed combined will small size can make his bullrushes devastating.

Karathen isn't on the level with Surtur though.

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#13 Posted by plotweapon16255 (7711 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman solos.

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#14 Posted by DrPepperMan (6288 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm just going to say IDK with Superman.

Karathen gets disintegrated.

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#15 Posted by Supermanforever (8138 posts) - - Show Bio

Karathen gets stomped. Superman flies away and stalemates. Not sure how Superman would fair against Surtur if he tried.

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#16 Posted by Tyger (461 posts) - - Show Bio

*sigh* Surtur effortlessly. He was unaffected by Hulk plunging into him like a cannon and repeatedly hitting his weakspot, so what is Superman going to do exactly besides be an annoying insect?

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#17 Edited by nfactor1995 (12878 posts) - - Show Bio

@tyger: I mean Superman's faster and stronger than Hulk and can fly, so he'd land dozens if not hundreds of hits before Surtur touched him. I'd imagine he'd eventually do some real damage. Would probably win soundly if he was aware of Surtur's "weakspot" (though not sure it's a weakspot in his prime form...)

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#18 Posted by xZone (10334 posts) - - Show Bio

@amcu: Pretty sure Hela’s massive blades that Surter dodged were like Mach 5...

OT: Surter Stomps. MCU Characters Like Surter And Odin are in a different tier

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#19 Posted by Tyger (461 posts) - - Show Bio

@tyger: I mean Superman's faster and stronger than Hulk and can fly, so he'd land dozens if not hundreds of hits before Surtur touched him. I'd imagine he'd eventually do some real damage. Would probably win soundly if he was aware of Surtur's "weakspot" (though not sure it's a weakspot in his prime form...)

Faster sure but not stronger. I know Superman has more clear and defined feats but just by scaling Hulk off Thor he'd easily stomp Superman. Thor on Nidevillir demonstrated moon level strength when he moved those rings and Thor is only half as strong as Hulk.

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#20 Posted by Amcu (16657 posts) - - Show Bio

@xzone said:

@amcu: Pretty sure Hela’s massive blades that Surter dodged were like Mach 5...

OT: Surter Stomps. MCU Characters Like Surter And Odin are in a different tier

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Superman is way faster than that. I was thinking something along the lines of the World Engine bullrush. Eventually that might do some damage. Surtur's durability is really high though. I just don't see him tagging Clark.

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#21 Posted by rem (2664 posts) - - Show Bio

Surtur beats Karathen. Stalemates superman.

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#22 Posted by FlashingSabre (3863 posts) - - Show Bio

Surtur still stomps.

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#23 Posted by Mrnoital (8035 posts) - - Show Bio

Surtur gets stomped

Superman flies through him like a bullet

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#24 Edited by MK39 (797 posts) - - Show Bio

@amcu: Superman is also lighter than Hela’s largest blades. (In the neighborhood of something like nine orders of magnitude lighter.) His speed doesn’t even come close to compensating.

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#25 Posted by MK39 (797 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrnoital: You realize how adorable that is in the context of Surtur’s feats right? What’s knocking Doomsday around supposed to mean to a guy bigger than the freaking ISLAND they’re fighting on?

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#26 Edited by Matthew660 (1646 posts) - - Show Bio

Surtur kills the karathen but stalemates Superman.

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#27 Posted by Essem (287 posts) - - Show Bio

Karathen is irrelevant here. Just simply not big enough (i think?) to be a factor here. Superman picks up Surtur by his horns and lifts him off Asgard and into space. Superman > Surtur > Karathen

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#28 Posted by icec0ld (1212 posts) - - Show Bio

@mk39: if hulk can jump on him hard enough to knock him back, a bullrush from Superman is knocking the crown off his head.

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#29 Posted by icec0ld (1212 posts) - - Show Bio

@mk39:

Surter got staggered by hulk. Superman can actually fly, he'd knock his crown off. He could pick him up and leave with him.

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#30 Posted by deactivated-5c917f846ef0b (1264 posts) - - Show Bio

@xzone said:

@amcu: Pretty sure Hela’s massive blades that Surter dodged were like Mach 5...

he also had several kilometres of distance between him and Hela to move out of the way. That's why the blades were calc'ed at Mach 5 in the first place. The blades were also gigantic targets which making dodging them much easier juxtaposed to Superman

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#31 Posted by X_insignia1 (1896 posts) - - Show Bio

@essem:

Karathen was confirmed to be 2 miles long by the company that did the visuals, that's nearly the same size as Surtur.

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#32 Edited by MK39 (797 posts) - - Show Bio

@icec0ld: Which is really just a stupidly high showing for the Hulk. Surtur took Hela’s Mach-speed, kilometer-long ballistas like a champ. Superman might as well be a spitball, and even that analogy underplays the sheer size difference.

@essem: When has Superman ever lifted anything remotely that big? He’s can’t even spread his arms out wide enough to grab both horns. He can’t even get both his arms around ONE horn. I could literally give you Superman’s newspaper tectonic plate feat for free and he still wouldn’t be strong enough.

I urge you people to seriously look into the VFX team’s description of Surtur, crunch the numbers and try to wrap your head around the size of this guy. He’s not your run of the mill kaiju. He makes Godzilla look downright quaint.

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#33 Posted by Kirkseven (2683 posts) - - Show Bio

Karathen is over 3 km long, and should logically have huge amounts of strength just to move a body of that size. If Superman plays smart, he won't get hit.

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#34 Posted by MK39 (797 posts) - - Show Bio
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#35 Edited by Matthew660 (1646 posts) - - Show Bio

@mk39: headcanon lol, the karathen is no where NEAR 3 km.

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#36 Posted by Matthew660 (1646 posts) - - Show Bio

@mk39: Tectonic plates weigh sextillions of tons. If you think the karathen really weighs that much, I honestly don’t know what to say.

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#37 Posted by MK39 (797 posts) - - Show Bio

@matthew660: I don’t think the Karathen weighs anywhere near that much. That’s kind of my point.

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#38 Posted by Matthew660 (1646 posts) - - Show Bio

@mk39: Oh, I guess I misunderstood your post, sorry about that.

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#39 Edited by Mrnoital (8035 posts) - - Show Bio

@mk39: and what are his fantastic feats? Getting stabbed by Helas blades in the shoulder and keeping going?

Neat, too bad she never went for the head to take the crown off

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#40 Posted by X_insignia1 (1896 posts) - - Show Bio

@mk39:

https://www.artofvfx.com/aquaman-jeff-white-vfx-supervisor-and-cedric-lo-animation-supervisor-industrial-light-magic/

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#41 Posted by X_insignia1 (1896 posts) - - Show Bio

@matthew660:

The folks that worked on the model appear to disagree with you

https://www.artofvfx.com/aquaman-jeff-white-vfx-supervisor-and-cedric-lo-animation-supervisor-industrial-light-magic/

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#42 Edited by Rajjar (1772 posts) - - Show Bio

Surtur one-shots Karathen and then accidentally one-shots himself by trying to tag Clark.

@tyger

Where did you get the strength ratio for Thor to Hulk being 1/2?

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#43 Posted by X_insignia1 (1896 posts) - - Show Bio

Interviewer: Which createure or animal is your favorite?

Jeff White : Karathen hands down, how often do you get to build a two mile long creature that emerges from under the sea floor covered in lava that is voiced by Julie Andrews!

Now that we cleared that up....

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#44 Edited by MK39 (797 posts) - - Show Bio

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@mk39: and what are his fantastic feats? Getting stabbed by Helas blades in the shoulder and keeping going?

Try...

-Moving his own 4000-meter tall frame around with little difficulty.

-Heaving his gargantuan sword (more than half as long as he is tall) around with little difficulty.

-The aforementioned necroblade-tanking feat.

-Razing Asgard to the ground in a few sword swipes.

-Destroying a small-island-sized planetoid in a single, dedicated thrust.

That fantastic enough?

Neat, too bad she never went for the head to take the crown off

She does though. He dodges it.

At what point does the film suggest this would even work?

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#45 Edited by ChosenOne1222 (353 posts) - - Show Bio

@nwgzsjuwhm96y2: surtur from mcu is 1000 times weaker than his comic book version. If it was comic book version surtur, he would stomp, but supes got this on his own since movie supes was like a marvel mid tier (The thing, colossus, groot, she hulk, etc).

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#46 Posted by Kirkseven (2683 posts) - - Show Bio
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#47 Edited by Mrnoital (8035 posts) - - Show Bio

@mk39: you're actually impressed that he's able to move himself around? thats cute

Surtur is the mountain

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and Superman and Zods fight actually destroyed more building than Surtur did with their bodies

when Surtur said his crown is the source of his power, and plunging it into the enternal flame would make him grow huge, so taking the crown out again, would be again taking out the source of his power, thats how Thor beat his crippled form, thats how to beat his full form, it was pretty clearly explained right at the beginning

oh and destroying Asgard, people are pretty sure that was just his sword hitting that diamond thing at its core which was pretty much a self destruct button

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#48 Posted by RampageTheFirst (7567 posts) - - Show Bio

Surtur gets stomped

Superman flies through him like a bullet

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Basically this ^

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#49 Posted by buildhare (8649 posts) - - Show Bio

It does amuse me that the same people that think Superman can just fly through Surtur and kill him are the same people that think Karathen is Doomsday level.

Superman annoys him for a bit until Surtur hits the ground once. End of.

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#50 Posted by deltahuman (4969 posts) - - Show Bio

Comparing Surtur and Karathen-

Surtur was apparently 4km in peak size. Karathen was recently confirmed to be 2 miles/3.22 km so there isn't much difference in size.

In terms of strength, Surtur's best feat is busting out of the Asgardian Palace. Karathen burrowed from thousands of kilometers down the Earth's crust upto the sea floor (since it was covered in Lava). It simply wiped out a large chunk of the Atlantean force with just its tentacles. In terms of Strength, Karathen >>>>>> Surtur. The feats aren't even comparable.

In terms of energy/heat durability, Karathen no sells lava like it's not even bothering her. A single Atlantean gun can bust a mini hill. Karathen no sold like thousands of those rifles and didn't even flinch. I don't think Surtur can harm Karathen significantly unless it decides to Asteroid bust (we'll address this as well).

Regarding busting Asgard, I think the script of Thor Ragnarok clearly reveals that Surtur could do it only after destroying the Crystal base of Asgard or something. I don't remember it very accurately but there definitely is context behind that feat. Surtur was staggered by Hulk just leaping on him. A single swipe of Karathen's tentacles will topple him and will definitely harm him significantly and Surtur isn't fast enough to escape her. The only thing we're not sure about is Karathen's piercing durability so I'm not saying Karathen downright stomps Surtur but don't forget we have Superman in the DC team too.

Hela's swords were able to pierce Surtur and apparently they travelled at Mach 5. If that's the case then Superman solos. He can travel at triple digit Mach speeds, can bust mountain tops by just falling on them and one shotted the skyscraper sized World Engine by flying through it despite the Kryptonian atmosphere and gravity. I'm pretty sure Superman will be easily able to one shot Surtur that way. Superman is invulnerable to fire, having not been burned by a nuclear fireball, so Surtur has no chance of hurting him or tagging him due to the speed. If we consider the tectonic plate feat as legit then Superman throws Surtur to space.

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