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Who wins?

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What did he do?

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Wanda throws a building at him

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@heiqn said:

What did he do?

Nothing that personally impressed me, but he has some off screen feats and statements that I'm sure the usual suspects will try to wank.

Overall here's a rundown of his noteworthy showings

Actual feats

*Can unleash an AoE shockwave that levels small structures or blow back enemies. Just by eyeballing it, I would say the largest blast he emitted was small building level at best

* He has telekinesis good enough to instantly immobilize fleeing enemies, crush them or just ragdoll them. But due plot reasons hardly uses it and instead spams energy blasts.

* Speaking of his energy blasts, they can vaporize random fodder but again due to plot reasons they lose that ability and just become concussive bolts of energy. One especially strong beam managed to knock down Giant man

* He has a forcefield whose durability is kind of had to quantify but I would say it's good deal better than Wanda's auto shields

* His raw durability in his suit is enough to eat a punch from an enraged giant man though it clearly hurt him

* He's also fast enough to react Ant-fam in their shrunken state as well as their attacks.

Statements/off screen feats

*killed trillions

* Destroyed entire worlds. We are shown a quick glimpse of worlds he destroyed but are never shown how he went about doing so.

* Killed multiple Kang's

* Destroyed numerous timelines

* Killed multiple variant avengers including a variant Thor

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@killianduclark: does it state he killed a variant of thor Or just fought him.

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#7  Edited By KillianDuclark

@triplek: He says something along the lines of "have I killed you before? Are you the one with the hammer?" to Ant-Man.

And later he explicitly states he's killed dozens of avengers, so I'm guessing he's got to have killed an alternate Thor at some point

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Wanda crushes him

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@triplek: killed him ,also killed multiple avengers through the multiverse, so much that he start confusing them

But he get beat by some ants in the movie and have too much antifeat at the end ,like for exemple stop using his power against ant man

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Wanda wins easily.

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#12  Edited By darkphantom9895

Did he have statements about rewriting existence or shattering time lines?

In movie or was that trailer only

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#13  Edited By KillianDuclark

@darkphantom9895: Nothing about rewriting existence but yes to destroying timelines

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#14  Edited By darkphantom9895

@killianduclark: how does he destroy them

Because that’s a huge factor for scaling how strong he is

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@darkphantom9895: That's the problem. We never see how he does it.

We just get a quick flash back montage of him rampaging and killing civilians before cutting to an already destroyed planet/timeline with voice over telling us he caused it.

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@killianduclark: bruh that’s dumb because we need to know how much prep is required for shattering a time line because that’s a multiversal feat

Every time line in the mcu has infinite universes dimensions and realms

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From what I've gathered, Kang's statements don't yet line up with his on-screen feats. Not to mention we don't actually know how he killed alternate Avengers; for all we know, he did it with prep-time and/or assistance from others. We can't just assume his raw power on his own is Thor+ level.

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Sw by feats.

Kang by statements

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Sw by feats.

Kang by statements

Pretty much

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Whaaaaaat?

I can't believe all that Kang hype was all for nothing. Who could've seen that coming.

Welp, just the usual from the MCU, it seems.

OT: What a joke. Wanda stomps the fodder.

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I heard this man lost to ants. Wanda can just toss those at him instead of the building.

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Was kang really this nerfed? Damn guess we'll all have to wait for kang dynasty

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@spiderman31: from the start to the middle of the movies the guys humiliate everyone, force shock those bitch with his finger and twist them like Tatsumaki from OPM, dude fucking freeze in time a character but...... when the plot need to kick in he get nerfed the fuck out, don't even use his power while bloodlusted

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@biannis: so hes basically a massive jobber?

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From what I heard Wanda beats this fodder

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We saw Statue level Captain Marvel. Killing alternate avengers dont mean much

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Kang is strong but his range blasts can either be blocked by her shields, and I doubt his shields would protect against her hexes or transmutation. He gets turned into a clown

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#31  Edited By TheOneWhoDoesSo

Wanda summons ants to kick his ass then goes home while Kang gets beaten to death by them lmao.

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Kang from the movie loses hard but Kang with all of his tech and gear kills her many times over

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They were always going to have to nerf him for ant man to win, it's not shocking at all. Wait till Kang dynasty for a proper showing of his capabilities.

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#34  Edited By DarkRealm

Queen reigns supreme.

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#36  Edited By ParkerKent

Based on the strict literal confines of the OP, Scarlet Witch wins. Even so, here is Janet's memory of what this Kang already accomplished:

https://streamable.com/3lawq9

"I felt what he had done. Entire worlds, entire timelines, gone."

However the problem with the logic of one Kang vs one anybody else is that the MCU's entire premise here is that the threat is INFINITE KANGS across the multiverse. On top of that, Quantumania's Kang did not have full access to his time chair - which he never used in battle.

Finally, of course, He Who Remains counts as one of those infinite variants - the one who controlled the entire multiverse and only willingly relinquished that control out of boredom. So by definition he already beat Wanda and everyone else.

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I guess Kang wins with statements and she wins with feats then.

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With statements he theoretically wins, But Wanda slams him easily for now.

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Multiversal Kang 1 shots falling temple level Wanda

By feats Kang also 1 shots since he made a big hole through an entire planet from his energy discharge

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Multiversal Kang 1 shots falling temple level Wanda

By feats Kang also 1 shots since he made a big hole through an entire planet from his energy discharge

got blitzed by ant man lmao

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Wanda also solos Quantum Realm.

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#42  Edited By darkphantom9895
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@darkphantom9895 said:

Multiversal Kang 1 shots falling temple level Wanda

By feats Kang also 1 shots since he made a big hole through an entire planet from his energy discharge

got blitzed by ant man lmao

And ? Wanda struggled with statue level marvel or supersoldier carter and died to a falling temple

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kang did this on screen the Kang in the movie is not full power Kang him at full power is multiversal for shattering a time line

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#43  Edited By Justaxviel
@darkphantom9895 said:
@justaxviel said:
@darkphantom9895 said:

Multiversal Kang 1 shots falling temple level Wanda

By feats Kang also 1 shots since he made a big hole through an entire planet from his energy discharge

got blitzed by ant man lmao

And ? Wanda struggled with statue level marvel or supersoldier carter and died to a falling temple

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kang did this on screen the Kang in the movie is not full power Kang him at full power is multiversal for shattering a time line

Do we even watch the same movie ?, it's a dreamwalking wanda which is basically a far weaker than original version, yet she beat them all with less than 5 minutes lmao.

"died to a falling temple"

Clearly you watch mom when you sleep.

Meanwhile kang was struggle against a freakin giant ANT LMAOOO

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@darkphantom9895 said:
@justaxviel said:
@darkphantom9895 said:

Multiversal Kang 1 shots falling temple level Wanda

By feats Kang also 1 shots since he made a big hole through an entire planet from his energy discharge

got blitzed by ant man lmao

And ? Wanda struggled with statue level marvel or supersoldier carter and died to a falling temple

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also

kang did this on screen the Kang in the movie is not full power Kang him at full power is multiversal for shattering a time line

Do we even watch the same movie ?, it's a dreamwalking wanda which is basically a far weaker than original version, yet she beat them all with less than 5 minutes lmao.

"died to a falling temple"

Clearly you watch mom when you sleep.

Meanwhile kang was struggle against a freakin giant ANT LMAOOO

Quantumania DIRECTOR Peyton Reed, in Vanity Fair:

“We liked the idea of this very fearsome warrior whose head is essentially a supernova, a star that’s got to be contained within this thick glass-like cylinder,” Reed explains. “When he unleashes it, it’s a lethal weapon.”

Kang one-shotted this dude dead. Therefore the ants had to be more powerful than that. And we have evidence they were:

Class 2 Civilization ants that aged thousands of years in a day. Class 2 Civilization means harnessing the full power of a star.

So Kang SURVIVED getting attacked by an army of star-level ants, whom he had to have fought off to later get back into his throne room to then fight Scott. And the ants were not "holding back" their power. They are 100% loyal to Hank, and Hank's family was in danger. So Kang basically fought off a star (all the ants combined = 1 star).

And since the ants are hyper intelligent, Kang could not have "escaped them" on foot with damaged armor. Kang did all this AFTER ragdolling Giant-Man, Stature, and Wasp.

The DEFINITION of a Class 2 Civilization: "The Kardashev scale classes a civilization with a Dyson sphere to harvest its sun's light as type II." the Dyson Sphere is required in the definition. I've watched Quantumania 4 times. When Hank recounts the ants' progress, the scene definitely SHOWS a sun above their civilization. We don't need to see the Dyson Sphere since it's part of the definition.

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Wanda stomps

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Wanda for now.

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@justaxviel said:
@darkphantom9895 said:
@justaxviel said:
@darkphantom9895 said:

Multiversal Kang 1 shots falling temple level Wanda

By feats Kang also 1 shots since he made a big hole through an entire planet from his energy discharge

got blitzed by ant man lmao

And ? Wanda struggled with statue level marvel or supersoldier carter and died to a falling temple

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kang did this on screen the Kang in the movie is not full power Kang him at full power is multiversal for shattering a time line

Do we even watch the same movie ?, it's a dreamwalking wanda which is basically a far weaker than original version, yet she beat them all with less than 5 minutes lmao.

"died to a falling temple"

Clearly you watch mom when you sleep.

Meanwhile kang was struggle against a freakin giant ANT LMAOOO

Quantumania DIRECTOR Peyton Reed, in Vanity Fair:

“We liked the idea of this very fearsome warrior whose head is essentially a supernova, a star that’s got to be contained within this thick glass-like cylinder,” Reed explains. “When he unleashes it, it’s a lethal weapon.”

Kang one-shotted this dude dead. Therefore the ants had to be more powerful than that. And we have evidence they were:

Class 2 Civilization ants that aged thousands of years in a day. Class 2 Civilization means harnessing the full power of a star.

So Kang SURVIVED getting attacked by an army of star-level ants, whom he had to have fought off to later get back into his throne room to then fight Scott. And the ants were not "holding back" their power. They are 100% loyal to Hank, and Hank's family was in danger. So Kang basically fought off a star (all the ants combined = 1 star).

And since the ants are hyper intelligent, Kang could not have "escaped them" on foot with damaged armor. Kang did all this AFTER ragdolling Giant-Man, Stature, and Wasp.

The DEFINITION of a Class 2 Civilization: "The Kardashev scale classes a civilization with a Dyson sphere to harvest its sun's light as type II." the Dyson Sphere is required in the definition. I've watched Quantumania 4 times. When Hank recounts the ants' progress, the scene definitely SHOWS a sun above their civilization. We don't need to see the Dyson Sphere since it's part of the definition.

Even that wanda already stated to have the power to rule or destroyed the cosmos itself, the cosmos in marvel means literation of the multiverse.

And it doesn't changed the fact that the dude getting STOMPED by the freakin ANT LMAOOOO

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@parkerkent: You do know there are are degrees to each class type right? For instance humans are class 2 as well they are class type 2- civilization. Yet humans are considered fodder in the movies and comics.

A class 2 type civilization is able to harness the power of the sun. What does that have to do with durability, strength or speed directly? Answer: No direct correlation.

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I forgot that when stars explode they make a blast the size of a grenade.

The nerfed version of Kang in AMQ is not beating Wanda

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@parkerkent: You do know there are are degrees to each class type right? For instance humans are class 2 as well they are class type 2- civilization. Yet humans are considered fodder in the movies and comics.

A class 2 type civilization is able to harness the power of the sun. What does that have to do with durability, strength or speed directly? Answer: No direct correlation.

Humans are Class 1:

https://www.space.com/kardashev-scale

"If working only within the basic categories, humans are a type I civilization on the Kardashev scale (a civilization with a working Dyson sphere structure harvesting its star's light would qualify as type II). Literally speaking, because humans have not harnessed the equivalent of the entire energy of Earth, other scientists have said that humans rank as more like a 0.7."

Why does this matter? Because in the MCU, Class 1 Earth already has individuals who do extremely powerful stuff, so a Class 2 would have individuals (in this case ants) that do even more powerful stuff. MCU Class 1 Civilization Earth has Tony Stark, one human, whose Iron Man armor tanked a Power Stone blast a few minutes after Thanos used the same stone to completely blow up a moon. This is onscreen in Infinity War at timestamp 1:59:00:

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(And before someone says Power Stone only scales to size of target, Thanos also used it to KO Captain Marvel who is smaller yet much more durable than Iron Man.)

No reason to doubt an MCU Class 2 Civilization can redirect the full power of its star-level capacity. They're in the Quantum Realm, where time and space work differently, so we don't need to know how they redirect the energy. The ants left Earth from the same point in space-time as Hank, yet landed very far away from Hank and evolved thousands of years in a day. Energy transfer in the Quantum Realm is obviously not the same as energy transfer on Earth.

Remember, these are Hank Pym's ants, which he had evolved even before they entered the Quantum Realm. Tony Stark, Thanos and Kang all could NOT replicate Pym Particles. There is no valid reason to lowball Hank's ants. And finally, yet again, THE ANTS DID NOT STOP KANG BECAUSE HE STILL SHOWED UP AFTER THAT TO STOMP SCOTT.