Actually, this matchup is really interesting because it is intended to be a troll one but OP didn't specify whether it's morals off or in-character so we default to in-character. An in-char proud Jiren senses that Kakashi has 0 ki energy, stands still waiting for Kakashi's strongest attack and gets head-sniped.
@rabii99: Considering Anilaza rips space with physical strength not hax it definitely scales to Jiren, especially since Goku wasn't the only one who tanked it. Vegeta and #17 did too IIRC.
Jiren one shot with his glare and accidentally solo the Naruto franchise. Spite at its max and the bait seems to be very strong here to extend this thread to 3 pages. Don't fall for it guys.
@standardized: That's not scaling, that's assuming Jiren can replicate an other character's space warping durability feat because he's stronger which is a fallacy.
@gaoron: This is Jiren vs Kakashi not Kakashi vs those characters, trying to to give Jiren other characters feats is a an association fallacy.
No it's not lmao. It's called scaling.
Yep, exacly what I wanted to post. If we were talking about hax resistance then sure, scaling that would be a fallacy but in this case Anilaza attacks are pure strength based.
@standardized: That's not scaling, that's assuming Jiren can replicate an other character's space warping durability feat because he's stronger which is a fallacy.
@rabii99: that’s not an association fallacy. An associate fallacy would be “Babidi uses magic since babidi is a DBZ character all DBZ characters use magic” which is false. In this case everyone in the DB has Ki in some form(regular Ki, GoD Ki, etc) the higher your Ki is the more likely you can negate an ability which has been consistent since DBZ and later was explained by Whis in DBS.
Not to mention SS3 Tier characters can rip through space by just shouting which is backed up by gogeta and broly breaking reality with raw power. Jiren glares and kakashi dies
The garbage being spouted in this thread alone reminds me of how trash dragon ball debating really is. Since it was accomplished by strength (the opposite of Kamui, which simply displaces what he's looking at) Kakashi Kamui snipe anyone who doesn't have a specific resistence to it.
PL scaling has no business in a discussion like this and really outlines how dim majority of this board is.
@hope_w: what are you crying about. DB characters have feats of tanking and ripping through space. They have feats of breaking reality with raw power. They have feats of negating telepathy, time manipulation, matter manipulation, absolute zero, Hakai(which is a form of reality warping btw), etc with raw power idk what more you need to see tbh
@demongod_pablo: The example you gave proves that your argument is an association fallacy."Babidi uses magic so other db character can use magic" "SSG Goku tanked space warping so an other db character(Jiren) can do that as well. Also, Kamui is not ki based.
@rabii99: The problem with your logic is that you're treating space warping of Anilaza as a form of hax when it was only due to his pure strength. By saying Jiren can't tank attacks like that you are saying he's less durable than SSG Goku, SSJ Vegeta, #17 and Mystic Gohan who did tank it which is obviously not true. Space warping is treated as just a side effect of a strong attack in DB not durability negating hax.
@rabii99: Uhm yeah that’s what I explained already, Magic is powered by Ki so not everyone in DB has magic but every living organism in DB has Ki so it debuks your association fallacy argument it’s not a fallacy if everyone has it. Depending on your power you can negate/resist abilities via raw power
What does kamui not being Ki based have to do with anything? spatial manipulation is spatial manipulation regardless of what powers it. That’s a trash argument, your essentially saying vegeta can only tank absolute zero temperatures from DB characters but not absolute zero temperatures from Bleach,Naruto, or Toriko characters because they use a different energy source
@demongod_pablo: You're only proving me to be further correct. So because someone weaker does something, someone stronger can do it no problem? That's absolutely cartoonish.
@gaoron: @demongod_pablo: I just re-watched the fight and there's no instance of Goku tanking space warping. I'd like to challenge either of you(or both) to a CaV, in-char Jiren vs in-char Kakashi.
@standardized: That's not scaling, that's assuming Jiren can replicate an other character's space warping durability feat because he's stronger which is a fallacy.
Momoshiki can make IT since he is stronger than Kaguya GG
@rabii99: Jiren doesn't even tank things in-character, that's nonsense. The only times he ever did that was against Goku initially, because he had observed Goku and knew the limits of his battle power already and against Vegeta's Final Flash, because Vegeta specifically provoked him to do so. He instantly oneshotted Maji Kayo without taking even one of his attacks, dodged every single blow Hit threw his way, and never purposefully took attacks from any other opponent either.
I repeat, Jiren only ever tanks attacks when he knows for a fact he can. If he sees and senses space literally warping around his head, he's going to get out of the way and blow Kakashi's head off before he can do anything, if he doesn't already start with that.
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