Kakashi(Naruto) vs Esdeath(AgK)

Kakashi (Shippuden) vs Esdeath

Both are bloodlusted, 100% fit and healthy

Win by death or incapacitate

Restriction: Esdeath can't use Mahapada at the beginning

Kakashi can't use Genjutsu, can't use Kamui in the beginning, Kakashi has Mangeykyo Sharingan

(Beginning start from 0-5 minutes)

No preparation

Storyline: Esdeath is interesting with Kakashi fighting style, and Kakashi as Jounin member of Konoha was ordered to get rid of the General Empire, so they want to fight each other.

Location:

Who will win and why?

Please give a clear,fact,complete and reasonable answer. Thanks :)

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Esdeath.

Kakashi.

Esdeath should win this.

She is just as fast, but her powers are more versatile.

can people give actual reasons instead of just saying who they think is going to win??

Kakashi

Esdeath blitzes and incapacitates him and then proceeds to torture him for 3 days like Itachi did. I mean she did this casually

Esdeath then she freezes him right off the bat

@redbird3rdboywonder

Please read what is OP question, please give a clear,fact and reasonable answer. Thanks :)

Does Kakashi have his Sharingan for this fight?

My answer is clear and reasonable Op.

@redbird3rdboywonder said:

Esdeath blitzes and incapacitates him and then proceeds to torture him for 3 days like Itachi did. I mean she did this casually

Why is this impressive against Kakashi?

Ninja tactics and substitution. Kakashi wins

double ms kakashi?

he uses his replacement techs or hides unterground till the timelimit is up and then he stomps

Once time limit is Up esdeath auto.wins with time stop......

Yes, he has mangeykyo sharingan, give an answer with clear, fact and reasonable OK ^^

Well it still not really clear, I give you an example then: Esdeathh should win this with easy/med/high difficulty. She is not just fast, she can create icicles and fires them at Kakashi with super speed, there's no way Kakashi can dodge it and give him hardtime by using blablablablabla..... Well actually if i want to give the fact, Kakashi is versatile too even more than Esdeath, with his sharingan he has mastered 4 elements type andn= he has many type of jutsu

I know how to give a complete and detailed reply thanks.

That was not what you asked, get your adjectives right.

@thatguywithheadphones said:

@redbird3rdboywonder said:

Esdeath blitzes and incapacitates him and then proceeds to torture him for 3 days like Itachi did. I mean she did this casually

Why is this impressive against Kakashi?

Oh no it wasn't meant to be impressive against Kakashi, just me showing what she does casually, if you wanted impressive, I'd have shown something like this which was also done casually

Kamui Raikiri, how does she time freeze him when hes physically in another dimension?

Well ok then edit your answer and I also thanks to you to give criticism, i'll make the thread better soon :)

@kenshirofistofwrath: He won't get close to her, she can feel killing intent and her reaction time are way faster than his

@andr413:

Here's a more detailed break-up:

Esdeath is much, much more versatile.

Kakashi has more powers, more elements, more skills, we all know that.

But esdeath's single one does not need hand signs or eye-contact, does have nigh-no limits and does not seemly tire her particularly, while kakashi is famous for his low chakra reserves.

Her only skill is better than the sum of kakashi's many.

About the speed....if i had to choose who's faster i'd pick Esdeath honestly.

If you want to make the thread better, specify the time limit for the special abilities, it's a bit too vague as it is.

She freezes time anyway.

Can he even attack from the other dimension without stepping into the "mainstream" one?

And has kakashi ever "hidden into the ground" for long periods?

Come on, we know that just because a character has a power that allows him to do something it does not mean we can use it here if he has never showcased that particular application of the power.

@pierpat Well i have specify the time limits for special power, thanks for the criticism.... Ok then your answer is good and clear. But I honestly say that versatile means many variation technique and doesn't mean it's strong too, Esdeath as we known, she only used about 5 techniques so far http://akamegakill.wikia.com/wiki/Demon%27s_Extract, and Kakashi can use technique dozens time more... so i think it just matter which one is more experience, smarter and also effectively make the enemy exhausted even incapacitated.

Well, btw can you compare the agility and speed between AgK verse and naruto verse ? Which one is faster and better. Why?

I guess I'll go with Kakashi. Edesse hasn't given me any reason to think she is drastically faster than Kakashi and her Ice powers while great in both speed of casting and scale are mostly physical attacks so Kakashi should be able to avoid them considering his ability to hide in the Earth, substitute and create dopplegangers or summon dogs to fight her while he conceals his presence. Kakashi has the reaction advantage thanks to his Sharingan so avoidance shouldn't be a problem. The biggest problem is Edesse's time freeze, Kakashi should be able to counter by porting himself to the Kamui dimension to hide but I'm not sure he can port himself faster than she can use it and he isn't aware of it's existence. It's important for him to finish the fight before she decides she needs her trump card, since in this scenario (unless they decide at exactly the same time to use their trump cards and he decapitates her), which I think he can do. I'd say 7/10 for Kakashi largely due superior avoidance.

Honestly we can only only go by estimates in regards to Naruto speed wise, because in Naruto characters rarely show speed feats, like I honestly don't even recall Kakashi having any significant speed feats that stand out to me (if someone that reads this can correct me and provide some feel free to do so)

kakashi should win. he's just as fast if not faster than her. with his sharingan he should be able to maneuver around her ice attacks and hit her with his raikiri. his other abilities like substitution, clones, fire and earth techniques will keep her on her toes and he can use these to distract or even beat her.

Esdeath won't start the fight with this

she was pissed because the guy she loves is in love with the girl she's fighting. esdeath prefers to savor a good fight, while kakashi is a ninja with a job to do he will go for the kill quickly. and even if she does use the attack above i don't see why kakashi can't duck and weave through it.

honestly I don't remember esdeath having any real good speed feats that would suggest she's as fast as kakashi. i'm caught up with akame ga kill but I might have missed something so if anyone can help me out with some feats that would be good

I do not have to compare the speeds of the two verses, but of the two characters.

And kakashi, while being in a faster verse, has next to none impressive speed feats.

I second this.

@oblivion360: Ask and you shall recieve

Her dodging Leone's attack from behind, Leone even comments on her reaction speed

Her dodging Nanjenda's arm like seconds after peircing Leone

Her bltizing and attacking Najenda from behind before Leone or Susanno could see her move, Najenda had already increased the gap between her group and Esdeath by trying to run away from Esdeath's ice

while in midair she not only dodges leone's attack but she even counterattacks

While still in the air she dodges Susanoo's attempted attack and then captures him

After feeling Tatsumi's killing intent while slicing Leone she dodges his attack easily. Mind you Tatsumi was being cloaked by Incursio's invisbilty

@redbird3rdboywonder said:

Esdeath blitzes and incapacitates him and then proceeds to torture him for 3 days like Itachi did. I mean she did this casually

Ahh a page from the chapter that starts making me hate/worry about AgK(me being a huge fan of it)

@thitiki: Lol I'm worried about Mine's saftey myself, you couldn't pay me to mess with Esdeath

I hate how Budo just got taken out like that. Do you think he is really dead?

Definitely not, he just got caught off guard. If Edeath has bothered acknowledging him I can't imagine him being any kind of weak unless the current Pumpkin amp is utterly absurd and Esdeath get's close to being one shot as well.

Better not be even now how Mine is taking on Esdeath has me worried that the author is just gonna pull more bullsh*t plot armor for Mine. Hopefully Es just freezes time and kills Mine. I was hyped for Budo also!

I think it's fine, Mein and them have some kind of plan which they are gonna fall back on and I doubt it consists of "Count on Pumpkin's Amp and hope it's enough to take out the two strongest people in the Empire" otherwise Mein should have ended this war ages ago by just getting catapulted into the palace ages ago. Esdeath isn't gonna freeze time I doubt she respects Mein enough as an opponent to pull that , especially with her being "The Other Bitch", at best she'll do it if it looks like Tatsumi has been liberated. Night Raid's plan will probably succeed since, they need a win from a thematic view point considering how Lubock when down. But it'll come at a "Minor Cost", minor being like somebodies limb/s or someone's Teigu. Mein will probably survive this despite all the death flags, she has to die sooner or later or at least something has to happen to her eventually to make her cease being Tatsumi's GF but I don't think it'll be in this battle. I could be wrong though.

Idk who Esdeath is and if I could stop getting tagged in this thread (about 6 times) that'd be great!

@redbird3rdboywonder: thanks for the scans I remember the fight but i still think kakashi is faster i'll post some feats when i get on a computer.

How fast is Kakashi?

The members of night raid are fast enough to outrun explosions and dodge bullets. Esdeath was fast enough to easily keep up with three of them at once. There is no way Kakashi is as fast or faster. And even if he does hide or do something sneaky, she will still know where he is because she can sense killing intent.

I thought that in this situation Mine could solo both of them with mid to high difficulty since Pumpkin see from user's mind, if the user feel more dangerous, the stronger it is...From my prediction, when Mine giving them hardtime, Revoulitionary Army start to invasion the capital since the guard is caught off and soon maybe all Night Raid members will help Mine, when the time is come.

@Pierpat:

Kakashi always creates a clone and hides under the ground while the clone fights the opponent, allowing kakashi (real one) to collect info. And he attacks instantaneously when the clone gets killed.

(when the clone is killed it turns into lightning which envelopes his opponents ie whoever killed the clone, thus electrocuting them, which renders the opponent immobile.)

And yes he can attack using kamui chidori when he is btw dimensions.

(kamui chidori rips off *bfrs* any part of kakashi's opponent it touches.)

Kakashi with time freeze restricted in beginning of fight Kakashi is alot more versatile and can predict her strikes with his sharingan.

Well, actually if i allow Esdeath to timefreeze, she maybe could solo the entire anime series with no difficulty(she maybe even could kill Marvel DC DBZ character with no difficulty), as we can see Esdeath actually doesn't want to use it in the beginning because as what I wrote, Esdeath is interesting with Kakashi fighting style so she want to have a good fight to him. Can you give a good and clear answer?

@redbird3rdboywonder said:

Esdeath blitzes and incapacitates him and then proceeds to torture him for 3 days like Itachi did. I mean she did this casually

@redbird3rdboywonder said:

@oblivion360: Ask and you shall recieve

Her dodging Leone's attack from behind, Leone even comments on her reaction speed

Her dodging Nanjenda's arm like seconds after peircing Leone

Her bltizing and attacking Najenda from behind before Leone or Susanno could see her move, Najenda had already increased the gap between her group and Esdeath by trying to run away from Esdeath's ice

while in midair she not only dodges leone's attack but she even counterattacks

While still in the air she dodges Susanoo's attempted attack and then captures him

After feeling Tatsumi's killing intent while slicing Leone she dodges his attack easily. Mind you Tatsumi was being cloaked by Incursio's invisbilty

Best part is everyone in night raid are bullet timers.

@andr413 is this kakashi with susanoo? if it is he mid diffs if not he gets stomped.

Well he has Mangeykyo Sharingan, he still don't have Susanoo, but he can use Kamui. Well can you give me the reason why he lose the battle against Esdeath?

@deathhero61:

being bullet timers isn't that impressive when compared to the naruto verse. in the very beginning haku was moving so fast that sasuke and naruto's clones where frozen even though they were in the middle of an attack. genin were dodging blocking and moving faster than sound.

I will admit kakashi doesn't have that many speed feats if we were to go by hype and powerscaling than kakashi would be top tier and one of the fastest regular ninjas (none of the characters like naruto, sasuke, madara etc. etc.) now I have some scans that justifies some of the hype

Kakashi had a quick little fight with Itachi. it should be noted that this isn't the real Itachi, it's similar to a clone he only had 30% of Itachi's chakra but it had Itachi's body so the only thing that should change is the amount of jutsu he can use.

now for one of the more impressive feats in this same fight as above Kakashi takes on both Hidan and Kakuzu. Kakashi could dodge a forest-destroying attack (Kakuzu's Fuuton: Atsugai) at point blank and with his attention divided by the taijutsu fight against Hidan (even with an injured arm) right after that he quickly intercept Kakuzu's fast Raiton ninjutsu with Raikiri, saving team 10

to get an idea of how fast he had to be in order to have pulled this off. i looked up the speed of lightning and as i figured i got mixed answers. some says half the speed of light(definitely not going to use this) to 1/3 the speed of light(still not going to use this) i'll use the slowest speed I found 140,000mph which i got from a wiki (this is the speed i'll say the lightning is kakashi will have to be faster in order to out race the attack)

the different places I went to in order to come to this conclusion

http://www.komonews.com/news/archive/4082461.html

http://www.maine.gov/mema/prepare/prep_display.shtml?163524

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=38483.0

http://www.ucar.edu/communications/factsheets/Lightning.html

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120723.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning

https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=533

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/06/0623_040623_lightningfacts_2.html

that's it for now I have more but it's late and I have work in the morning fell free to pick apart whatever i posted

@andr413: I believe esdeath is powerful from a combat standpoint even without time freeze and with it shes a true monster..... But soloing a verse like the narutoverse as whole(lol toptiers fodderize), defeating a dbz character(who's actually atleast above hercule/mr satan), and defeating powerhouse dc/marvel characters is far beyond her pay grade.