Kaidou vs Vasto Lorde Ichigo and Ulquiorra

@ironman_dies: YOUR A MAD LAD!!

@consciouskeeper: lol so contental luffy confirmed

@undre: You are severely lowballing Kaido now. He ONESHOTS both of them without meaning to.

@undre: Ulquiorra And Ichigo ends up in the same cell as luffy and Kid.

Kaido Stomps. The dude was drunk and he still speedblitzed a Blood-lusted G4 luffy.

@consciouskeeper: VL ichigo can destroy a dimension and hell verse is part cannon since kubo had some involvement

@gilateen: speed blitzed a MFTL luffy

@undre: Nice Downplay. Current Luffy Beats VL Ichigo And ulquiorra 1v1.

Luffy Smash through pica, who is above mountain level durability. So luffy is above mountain level.

VL Ichigo doesn’t have a Brain if we’re being honest, He gets Speedblitzed Indeed, so does ulquiorra.

VL Ichigo is not a Dimension Buster Just cause he Destroyed half of hell.

Kubo wanted his title removed from production because his ideas were not in the film and it wasnt his project. Not canon

I wouldn't say he is continental because scaling doesnt easily support that But he is definitely above multi mountain.

He did blitz luffy who is easy to scale in terms of speed but I would say MFTL more like light speed or lower

@consciouskeeper: lol picas golem is large hill destroying his head isnt multi moutian

@gilateen: well guess VL ichigo and ulqiroa are above moutian in durability

@undre: Pica large hill? Okay.

I'm not retyping everything that makes it a multi mountain busting feat again. Re read the post.

@consciouskeeper:

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@undre: don't need to even go to G4.

Chinjao after being healed of his injury needed to be helped to shatter pica hand. Luffy solo shattered picas head. This shows pica has above mountain level durability and luffy has above mountain level AP.

Scaling done right.

OP doesn’t have the energy durability feats to tank Ceros Oscuras much less LDR or Ichigo’s Cero.

@consciouskeeper: lol. Your scaling pica to multi moutian based off a contental feat. Then you back track and say luffy isnt contental.

Ya know a made thread similar to this and it got shut down by mods. If onky they new pica was multi contental????

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/kenpachi-vs-pica-op-2005659/

@undre: I don't say luffy is continental because chinjao was older and needed help to shatter his arm. I'm not gunna wank luffy

@consciouskeeper: that doesnt make him multi mountain when hes made of stone and hes adout the same size as the hill next to him

There is no way someone is saying Pica is hill sized:

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Dude is easily mountain sized and there is no refuting it.

And that structure that a certain someone is calling a "hill" is also mountain sized just the top of it is already this big:

Cero Oscuras or LDR doesn't have the AP to even put a bruise on kaido The most durable thing LDR has destroyed are large stone pillars ..kaido would laugh to that ... AOE doesn't Equate to AP even in the bleach verse it's been proven LDR has larger aoe than fagor but fagor has higher AP also bigmom completely tanked Zeus thunderbolt which has better heat feats since it was shown completely vaporising the ground and created a crater 30meters+ deep even though someone as durable as bigmom tanked the initial force of the attack she was also standing on top of Prometheus for hours ,same Prometheus that was stated to be so huge and hot that if it fell into the sea it wouldn't even bother him ...she did this while in base and with no sort of defense and still didn't get a scratch kaido scales above that ..not to mention there's a feat of pre time skip Franky tanking a mountain buster which kaido massively scales above

Apparently this is what a mountain looks like to a bleach fanboy:

And this is what a hill looks like to them also:

@friesketchup70: @yray: @undre: just ignore undre. Pica measured about 370 meters on his hands and knees. He is way above that standing up. And 370m already constitutes for a mountain.

His shown durability and how luffy busted him is what puts luffy above mountain buster undre I'm not repeating myself to someone who thinks hell verse is canon and lanza is country level for destroying sand pillars

Kaido still blitz and one shot them both

@consciouskeeper: okay hes moutian but how exactly is kido LS

@undre: kaido blitzed luffy and one shotted him. Luffy has dodged light on 2 occasions. Which is more times than I can count for some characters who are stated to be LS.

Kaido is easily capable of blitzing luffy so he's LS by scaling.

R1 is lanza GG or Kaido destroys via stat advantage. 50/50.

Kaido blitzes and oneshots in R2.

R1: Kaido is sent flying by Lanza, gets up with a sigh of disappointment and clubs them to a bloody pulp.

R2: Kaido clubs them to a bloody pulp

Though based on my limited knowledge about Bleach.

@undre: No they aren’t. Even Doflamingo can beat ulquiorra.

Hell verse is not canon, stop bringing it up. The 1st glimpse of anything close to dimension destruction is FB bankai Ichigo and Vl Ichigo is isn't even a notable fraction of the shikai version of that Ichigo so you can't even scale to that.

@yray: You seem to be quite the expert. So what is Lanza or CO's AP? What do you think the AP of Ichigo's cero is?

Ichigo could honestly solo. I've seen no evidence to suggest that Kaido could tank even a single Cero from a Vasto Lorde. In addition to this, Ichigo is probably outright faster than Kaido as well as more durable himself. I'd wait until he and the other big dogs get more feats before putting them up against monsters like this.

Wait until Kaidou geta some real feats. Right now VL Ichigo blitzes, doesn't 1 shot but slaps around Kaidou like Beckham slaps around a football.

Will probably change later on. We just need more feats.

@undre: kaido stomp undre bleach with ease

@undre2: why u copy my name

Lol

Kaido stomps the espada now

Lol. Destroying a hill is more impressive than destroying the tip of the mountain.

Team high Diff

@mike_coxsmall: They can dodge thunder Bagua easily, they are faster.

shouldn't have put 2 bleach characters either you should've put vasto lorde ichigo or just ulquiorra's second form

Kaido blitzes and one shots

Bleach duo stomps badly, ichigo could solo

Vasto Lorde + Cero = Kaido loses

@shirso: Explain please

Kaido one shots.

Sure.

Speed

Kaido is way faster than this duo. He scales way above characters like Marco who can intercept LS attacks from dozens of meters away:

And should at least be on par with the likes of old Garp who can outright blitz Marco:

He also has top tier precognition through Observation haki which just makes the speed debate more one sided in his favor. Example of what even the CoO of characters that should be fodder to Kaido can do:

CoO is an extremely potent precognitive ability, to the point that it allows you to literally toy with characters who are multiple tiers above you in speed and would lol blitz you otherwise. This is best shown back in Skypiea when the ability is first introduced.

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Enel, in his debut, is able to easily blitz all his priests while playing around.

Yet, Enel, in terms of raw speed, isn't fast enough to dodge Luffy's punches when Luffy found a way to bypass his CoO by randomizing his attacks:

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And Enel fails to react to Luffy's attacks many other times also.

So basically, in terms of raw speed, Luffy > Enel >> his priests. By all rights, Luffy should be able to easily replicate Enel's feat of casually blitzing all his priests at the same time.

But see what happens when Luffy went up against Satori, arguably the weakest of the priests:

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Satori is able to easily dodge both Luffy and Sanji's (who at this early stage shouldn't be much slower than Luffy) physical attacks at close range, tag them back and just keeps on completely embarrassing them.

The reason is of course, due to Observation haki, which is a massive boost to speed in general from how it has been established from day 1.

Kaido's output

The duo can't tank Kaido's attacks, plain and simple. He scales way above Enel's cover story feats:

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Enel can't cleanly one shot even Skypiea arc Zoro or Sanji. Kaido while drunk and in base casually one shots G4 Boundman Luffy who is laughably more durable than Skypiea arc Zoro or Sanji.

Luffy himself has insane physicals. For instance, with a single G3 punch, he can knock Dragon Kaido down from the sky:

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Which is impressive as it's confirmed Dragon Kaido flies and levitates using flame clouds, the same ones he used to instantly lift a large island kilometers into the air:

So for Luffy to knock him down from the air means he had to output more energy than what's required to instantly lift a large island several km into the air.

Luffy during the start of Wano arc also scales way above Fujitora's meteors during Dressrosa, which at their best would be country tier. Explanation:

And I'd agree, all that is needed now is an actual country tier feat, to back up the scaling and lore presented, and the Dressrosa arc gives exactly that...

Sections of the Bird Cage (which is a string construct that covers the entirety of Dressrosa like a cage, preventing even radio waves from getting out) can completely no sell and stone wall Fujitora's meteors, one of which is relative in size to the mountain sized Pica as can be seen. A 1 km diameter meteor packs 47 Gt (large island lvl) of energy, however Fuji's meteors are provably much faster than standard irl meteor impact speeds, as they were completely imperceptible to even the likes of Caesar Clown:

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Caesar can't even perceive what happened to the meteor or what Fuji, Law and Doffy did to it. Caesar of course is fast enough to keep up with and dodge base Luffy (for example here and here), which would put him comfortably in the quad mach ranges of speed. And consequently would bump the KE of the meteors to country tier for being completely FTE to him.

What's important to note here is a small section of the Birdcage can no sell focused impacts of this level, while the Birdcage spans across an entire island (in fact it would cover a far larger area if you flattened it out a bit, as its height dwarfs the mountains bordering Dressrosa), and Doffy can casually maintain this barrier while using different other high level abilities and fighting simultaneously. For example, during his climactic fight with G4 Luffy, he was using Awakening, flight, stitching up his insides and maintaining Birdcage while also fending off Luffy.

Needless to say, Doffy's own raw power and potency, both in terms of offense as well as defense, should absolutely dwarf country tier meteor impacts. And this would scale to his casual, standard output, since the entire string for the Birdcage is something he can generate instantly on a whim, mid fight:

Luffy can destroy the Black Knight with a Jet Gatling spam in G2 alone.

So by the start of Wano, G4 Luffy already scales a lot above baseline country lvl and he is still fodder to Kaido.

Apart from that, novels confirm Kaido would beat Marineford WB in a 1v1 so he should be comparable to that WB's casual feats like messing with tectonic plates and tilting the entire ocean in the process.

All of which are feats of power beyond the duo's paygrade. This is not even including his Hybrid form and Advanced CoC, which are big amps, and the latter deals internal damage, making things even more one sided in Kaido's favor.

Kaido's durability

Kaido would no sell Enel, whose feats are comparable if not above Lanza, so the duo can't really hurt him. But he is too fast to get tagged by them to begin with.

Conclusion

Kaido stomps. Far faster, has the physicals to one shot, internal attacks to bypass durability and his own durability is high enough to no sell them.

@shirso: I'd say something to argue but I'm too lazy so good job :D

@shirso: You're dead wrong for this lmaoo

Kaido oneshots.