Kaido VS. Selene

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Human form Selene loses

She gets blitzed hard

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Selene sends her sidekicks to paste this wannabe dragon.

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#5  Edited By Yray

If she doesn't bfr right at the start then weaker characters than kaido stomp her

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Kaido.

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Kaido blitzes and oneshots, We haven’t seen her dragon form so this might change

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Either way

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Kaido for now

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Human Selene no sells any of his attacks and oneshots. An opponent that scales above Aldo is oneshotting Kaido and anything in the OPverse.

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Selene is at least as strong as Aldoron, Kaido is a fodder at this point.

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@jdogg said:

Human Selene no sells any of his attacks and oneshots. An opponent that scales above Aldo is oneshotting Kaido and anything in the OPverse.

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Selene stomps due to scaling to the other DGs and most likely her newest feat if we see more of it next chapter

A speed advantage doesn't really matter when you lack the necessary power to hurt your opponent or survive any of their serious attacks.

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blitz or bfr pick one

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@yamatama: @jdogg: So you’re saying he can’t at least replicate Suzaku’s feat of damaging Selene

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@expo7: No. Suzaku proved he can hurt beings as strong as the DGs, Kaido hasn't.

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Selene BFR's the fodder to the afterlife.

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@jdogg: Unless Selene’s internal durability is beyond Large country lvl I don’t see how she tanks a thunder Bagua or any Yonko attack that does internal damage. It’s safe to say Suzaku hasn’t gone all out as he is just swordsmanship and he hasn’t used his magic unless it has something to do with swords. So what you’re telling me is a non serious base Suzaku>Hybrid Kaido

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#20  Edited By Gilateen

Kaido’s definitely injuring Selene if Suzaku can, via Ryou haki.

OT: Selene BFR’s or Kaido blitzes

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Suzaku's feats are his own, not Kaido's. What type of shit logic is that

OT: Selene stomps.

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@expo7: There is no split dura for FT characters. This was already proven time and time again. She wouldn't need large country internal dura bcs Kaido has no karge country feats. Selene >= Aldo >>>> OPverse best. Yeah, bcs Suzaku has a feat of hurting a far stronger opponent than Kaido. It's like saying someone new guy hurts Superman and then try to say Kaido can do it bcs he can. That's a bs argument lmao.

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Yea I don't get how Kaido scales to Suzaku

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@jdogg: That doesn’t make sense, you’re internal durability is much lower than you’re external. If you’re talking about Gajeel that’s something unique to him because he is an iron dragon skater which focuses more on defence. Kaido is easily Large country lvl because he is stronger than old WB that had a Large country lvl feat. If you’re talking about feats then Selene has literally none so you’re contradicting yourself. You make it seem like Selene is leagues stronger than Kaido when she hasn’t shown the capabilities at all, and yes Suzaku is below Kaido from a feat and scaling standpoint so him damaging Selene at a much weaker form sets up the standard for how strong you need to be to hurt Selene

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@ragegod said:

Suzaku's feats are his own, not Kaido's. What type of shit logic is that

OT: Selene stomps.

This. Just because another character can injure Selene does not translate to Kaido being able to injure Selene. It's just more reaching by One Piece supporters.

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@expo7 said:

@jdogg: That doesn’t make sense, you’re internal durability is much lower than you’re external. If you’re talking about Gajeel that’s something unique to him because he is an iron dragon skater which focuses more on defence. Kaido is easily Large country lvl because he is stronger than old WB that had a Large country lvl feat. If you’re talking about feats then Selene has literally none so you’re contradicting yourself. You make it seem like Selene is leagues stronger than Kaido when she hasn’t shown the capabilities at all, and yes Suzaku is below Kaido from a feat and scaling standpoint so him damaging Selene at a much weaker form sets up the standard for how strong you need to be to hurt Selene

Big Mom, Kaido's equal, failed to injure a tired Kidd with a punch.

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So no. Suzaku would cleave Kaido in half btw.

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@molt: Lol it’s funny how you think you debunked me when she wasn’t using haki plus she got Prometheus and Napoleon take away from her. Kaido is tanking country lvl attacks to the organs so no Suzaku won’t leave a scratch

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Selene stomps.

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@expo7 said:

@jdogg: That doesn’t make sense, you’re internal durability is much lower than you’re external. If you’re talking about Gajeel that’s something unique to him because he is an iron dragon skater which focuses more on defence. Kaido is easily Large country lvl because he is stronger than old WB that had a Large country lvl feat. If you’re talking about feats then Selene has literally none so you’re contradicting yourself. You make it seem like Selene is leagues stronger than Kaido when she hasn’t shown the capabilities at all, and yes Suzaku is below Kaido from a feat and scaling standpoint so him damaging Selene at a much weaker form sets up the standard for how strong you need to be to hurt Selene

No, not to superhumans and not quantifiable scale at all. Secondly thry already proved it when x784 Natsu and x791 Gajeel tanked internal attacks. She scales to Aldo ergo she is above anything in the OPverse that is literally she needs lmao. WB would get fodderized by Aldo too lol. Kaido scales to none of Suzaku's feats bcs he has performed nothing to say he can hurt Selene nor has he ever showed he was weak in the verse. Two Suzaku is from an entirely different verse lmfao which means Kaido scales to shit in the first place. Just bcs Suzaku hurt does not mean Kaido can. That is literally a garbage argument.

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#31  Edited By JDogg

Luffy isn't even country level, he doesn't even have an island level feat yet Kaido is tanking "country" level attacks to his insides. 🤭

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@jdogg said:

Luffy isn't even country level, he doesn't even have an island level feat yet Kaido is tanking "country" level attacks to his insides. 🤭

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#33  Edited By TiredEagle

Selene stomps Kaido and still solos the verse

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#34 shirso  Online

Anyone who scales above Marineford WB's feats should be able to beat anyone in FT 1v1 besides immortals.

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Kaido vs Fairy tail characters would looking like Omnimen vs the guardians(comic version ofc) where he fuck out everyone brain with a single hit. Selena need first to proof good feats,making a moon larger via hax is useless in a combat as long as she just powered herself up. In case let see what powered up Selena can do the next chapters, seeing how Suzaku(far behind Kaido speed) where able to hit her, I can´t see any good way for her as long as she not pull out good speed and ap feats.

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#37 shirso  Online

What FT feat is comparable to WB's tsunami feat, which is large country lvl through shockwaves from several km away?

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@shirso: Irene's meteor, Aldoron's stomp, and Mercphobia's ocean lifting would be enough.

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#39  Edited By shirso  Online

@floridaman29 said:

@shirso: Irene's meteor, Aldoron's stomp, and Mercphobia's ocean lifting would be enough.

Irene's meteor was really small, and even if you argue it was much faster than a irl meteor, it'd get to around country lvls at best probably

Aldoron himself is about small country sized and his stomp shattered an amount of landmass about 2-3 times his own size? So another country lvl feat.

So inferior to an old, sick out of prime WB pulling off large country lvl through shockwaves from several km alone.

Don't think we saw Merc lifting the entire ocean, and Kaido's Onigashima lifting should be comparable or superior given rock and landmass much heavier than water, and that's the sort of thing Merc'd be able to do due to being the Water DG, not necessarily something that should scale to his standard AP.

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Trashbeard was unable to kill John Giant or ALainu...but yeah,Large Countrylevel

Kaido is getting trashed by baseline Islandlevel attacks AT BEST and his AP is pretty much garbage.He can not even K.O. Base Luffy

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#42  Edited By floridaman29

@shirso:

Irene's meteor was really small, and even if you argue it was much faster than a irl meteor, it'd get to around country lvls at best probably

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Even if we say it's small the meteor still came from at least the planet distance in a short span of time so yes I'd give it about country level.

Aldoron himself is about small country sized and his stomp shattered an amount of landmass about 2-3 times his own size? So another country lvl feat.

So inferior to an old, sick out of prime WB pulling off large country lvl through shockwaves from several km alone.

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Maybe a little more than three times and considering this is actual land mass instead of just shaking an island and shockwaves several km away is more impressive.

Don't think we saw Merc lifting the entire ocean, and Kaido's Onigashima lifting should be comparable or superior given rock and landmass much heavier than water, and that's the sort of thing Merc'd be able to do due to being the Water DG, not necessarily something that should scale to his standard AP.

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Considering he scales to Aldoron and Acnologia, and above Irene and August, it would be safe to say that Merc can lift an ocean amount of water. Sure Merc is the Water Dragon God but that doesn't necessarily subtract from his AP feats if he lifts an ocean of water that is still a feat of its scale regardless of ability. Even if you compare the Onigashima lifting feat for Kaido it's at least comparable.

So what attribute makes the Marineford feat large country level?

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#43  Edited By shirso  Online

@floridaman29:

Maybe a little more than three times and considering this is actual land mass instead of just shaking an island and shockwaves several km away is more impressive.

He isn't just tilting Marineford, but the entire oceanic landscape as you can see which'd necessitate displacing oceanic plates.

But this isn't the feat that I am arguing at least large country lvl, this feat is really impressive but hard to quantify. I am talking about the feat where he makes two large tsunamis as a result of the sea quake he creates:

The reason this feat is so impressive is because there's a direct, linear correlation between earthquake magnitude and tsunami height, there's actual research papers on this:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316924495_Converting_Tsunami_Wave_Heights_to_Earthquake_Magnitudes

Anyway the point is a Magnitude 10 sea quake would make a tsunami wave about 50-60 m at best based on this:

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While WB's tsunamis were 100's of meters tall at least, meaning his sea quake was many many times more powerful than even a Magnitude 10 one.

So how powerful is a Magnitude 10 earthquake?

A research at the Tohoku University in Japan found that a Magnitude 10 earthquake was theoretically possible if a combined 3,000 kilometres (1,900 mi) of faults from the Japan Trench to the Kuril–Kamchatka Trench ruptured together and moved by 60 metres (200 ft) (or if a similar large-scale rupture occurs elsewhere)

Large country lvl

And again this was done as a result of WB's tremors hitting the sea floor from several km away.

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@expo7 said:

@molt: Lol it’s funny how you think you debunked me when she wasn’t using haki plus she got Prometheus and Napoleon take away from her. Kaido is tanking country lvl attacks to the organs so no Suzaku won’t leave a scratch

Big Mom stalemated Kaido without her Homies. So tell me again: Why couldn't Kaido's equal, who supposedly is ''large country'' (with no actual feats), 1-shot the likes of Kidd? Are you saying she needs Haki and her Homies to do 1-shot Kidd?

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#45  Edited By Molt

The tallest tsunami ever recorded was made by a town level landslide, just saying.

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#46  Edited By Omnihater

@shirso:

Thats is honestly not applicable to the WB Tsunamis, the morphology of the WB Tsunamis is different, while this study is taking into account that the movement of the tectonic plates (It is not even known if WB moves the tectonic plates) creates a wave with a width of hundreds of km, the WB tsunamis are not that wide, they are much shorter.

This formula works for real tsunamis (That's why it was created), but it doesn't work with WB because the creation mechanism and morphology is different.

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@molt: She stalemated Kaido using Napoleon 🤦‍♂️. Kidd is on the same lvl as Luffy and Law so he shouldn’t get oneshotted by a non haki and homie attack from BM. Even though he was badly damaged he wasn’t oneshotted so she does need haki to oneshot him

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@expo7: this is consistent given queen got back up after being 2 shot

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@shirso:

Thats is honestly not applicable to the WB Tsunamis, the morphology of the WB Tsunamis is different, while this study is taking into account that the movement of the tectonic plates (It is not even known if WB moves the tectonic plates) creates a wave with a width of hundreds of km, the WB tsunamis are not that wide, they are much shorter.

This formula works for real tsunamis (That's why it was created), but it doesn't work with WB because the creation mechanism and morphology is different.

Oh the width thing is easily explained, tsunamis are very wide and very short out in the ocean, and when they get close to shore they become taller and much narrower like WB's tsunamis.

Why'd it be different? He makes a sea quake and it creates a tsunami, as straightforward as that.

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#50  Edited By Molt

@expo7 said:

@molt: She stalemated Kaido using Napoleon 🤦‍♂️. Kidd is on the same lvl as Luffy and Law so he shouldn’t get oneshotted by a non haki and homie attack from BM. Even though he was badly damaged he wasn’t oneshotted so she does need haki to oneshot him

Again, is Big Mom ''large country'' in base or with Haki or with Homies or with what?

First, Current Luffy stomps Kidd and Law by feats and portrayal. Second, do you realize you're saying those Supernova are more durable than Akainu, who got oneshotted by extremely weakened WB, whom you're scaling BM above? Lmao. Have fun believing in your inconsistent faulty logic