Kaido vs Hashirama and Tobirama

Kaido blitzed luffy who has light speed feats and one shotted him.

They definitely can't kill him and we haven't seen kaido put down yet either.

If they don't get speed blitzed then maybe they can eventually knock him out?

@consciouskeeper: since when luffy has lightspeed feats? I thought he's only MHS+ at best.

Wait a few more months

@blueshoecant: luffy has dodged pacifista beams (which are light speed) and during whole cake island ark he dodges an attack made of photons which is light particle.

So he has 1 feat of dodging a light speed attack for sure and another that if compared to what we understand are photons is light speed as well.

OP just gets lowballed a lot while other series get wanked a bit.

Hashirama solos.

Hashirama solos

Ah yes, LS Luffy. It's been a while old friend. Not up to date on OP so I can't comment on the battle (other than to say Luffy definitely isn't LS lmao).

Only on comicvine can you dodge attacks comprised of actually light element and it not be light speed feats. Well back 2 Reddit

@consciouskeeper: LOL

You see, there's this thing called an outlier chief. Luffy dodging light beams once or twices doesn't take precedence over the 20 million other times when he's clearly been much slower than that. Plus, if early time skip Luffy can dodge light, then why is Kizaru even a character? Surely everyone can dodge his light attacks, right? Y'know, except they can't because they're not LS.

Hashi can solo with difficulty. Team wins comfortably.

This. Tobi is insanely fast, but he can't damage Kaidou, and has no way of incapping aside from Reaper Death Seal, which would be really difficult to pull off.

Hashi should be able to win on his own if he goes all out.

@maestromage: yup and jiraiya got killed by attacks not even island level.

Naruto and sasuke lost their arms to attacks barely building level.

Goku got killed by getting shot through the heart.

I guess one time is it all takes for something to matter or make all the difference.

But not on comicvine

What do any of those examples prove? You're literally agreeing with me with what you've said lmao. One feat should not override all other feats of a character. But regardless, none of the examples you've given are of that. Jiraiya isn't even close to island level anyways so I'm not sure what that point is about. Naruto and Sasuke had the context of them both being in base with like 0 chakra (y'know, the stuff they use to amp their physical stats?) and Goku had his guard down and thus wasn't defended. What even is the point you're tying to make?

@maestromage: I'm proving how idiotic the statement you made is.

By your logic

Naruto verse doesn't haven't planetary feats or moon level feats because there aren't enough of them.

News flash the characters did it. So if need be they can do it again especially in the case of luffy who has multiple examples of said feat I question.

Truly remarkable the level of intelligence or lack there of on here

@consciouskeeper: That's just not how it works at all. Let me give a better example; let's say for the sake of argument that Naruto busted a planet in part 1. Now, is this a planet level feat? Yes. But are we then going to say that all Naruto characters are planet busters and higher and scale the entire verse off of this one feat? Absolutely not, because Naruto also has like a hundred other feats of him clearly not being a planet buster. The issue here is consistency. We don't take one feat are say it takes precedence over every other feat in the series.

Your example with Naruto isn't the same. Kaguya has one planet level feat with her strongest move but that's fine for a couple of reasons. For one, there are other examples of other characters in a similar tier doing similar things (Hagoromo making the moon, Toneri cutting the moon in half, Naruto and Sasuke making a moon together, I think Momoshiki has a Star level feat in the novels etc.). As we can see, there are several examples of Naruto God Tiers doing things on the moon/planet level scale, so the idea of someone like Naruto being around moon level is fine. Especially as Naruto has several continent level feats (which is close to moon level).

The One Piece LS argument is a completely different thing. You have the one feat of Luffy dodging light beams and that's it. Even if he did it more than once, it doesn't help because it's the same feat (You could say "what's the difference" but here's the thing. Inconsistencies are a result of one thing: author error. If the author shows various different feats that are similar, then it's less likely to be a mistake. But if they just show the exact same thing multiple times, that doesn't require them to make multiple mistakes, only the one. Anyways). There are no other feats (to my knowledge) of anyone (except I guess Kizaru?) being Lightspeed in One Piece, so there's no consistency.

Not to mention, you didn't address my point that OP characters all being FTL Post-TS breaks Kizaru as a character cos no-one would ever have any issues with him lol.

@consciouskeeper: Wait Pre Time Skip Zoro also dodged those lasers whilst injured lmao. I guess like half of pre-TS One Piece is LS then? Is that what you're trying to tell me?

Luffy light speed??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Oh boy.... Light-speed Luffy.

Tobirama reacted to juubito

He solos anybody in one piece

Until you realize juubito is somewhat of a statue to any relevant top/god tier

@ecoblitz: lmao

Duo slams

Team can win if they fight smart especially given this is normal drunk kaido not drunk Hakke kaido.

Sleep spores and water dome jutsu are big problems for kaido.

In terms of actually fighting him tobirama gets the WCI Luffy treatment. Hashi loses high diff because of his Regen and indirect combat style

Hokages.

Hashirama beat the juubi with his deity gates

Even dragon kaido would lose to the juubi

@clawgrime22: he restrained it with the deity gates. He didn't actually stop it and that jutsu explicitly counters your will to resist which is why Madara could break out.

Madara broke out due to having stats superior to the juubi.

that,his wood style being Taylor made to supress biju power, and Madara not having a single feat near juubito's level makes me disagree.

I mean edo hashirama is almost as strong as alive and he explicitly stated juubito was stronger than him.

Behold the Wood golem shakes the earth to it's very core! This feat alone washes anything OP has to offer Top tiers die to bullets smdh.

@edgelord91: bro it literally stopped edo madara what do you mean lol

They can bring down kaido tbh. Deity Gates if it catches Kaido makes it GG.

Tobirama could take down kaido too

His tandem paper bombs destroyed a deity gate

It even made a explosion that made a toad summon brace itself

@uchihaghost: my point was it's sealing technique that's explicitly tailored to it's opponent and counters their will to resist. Madara being anywhere near the juubi in power (without his susanno) makes no sense