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Posted by Ninelven (203 posts) 4 months, 29 days ago

Poll: Kaido vs. EoS Naruto: H2H (84 votes)

Kaido 43%
Naruto 57%

Kaido vs EoS Naruto, but restricted to H2H. Who wins?

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#101 Edited by ManimalMan (818 posts) - - Show Bio

The sword/split durability argument is dumb and lazy. We've seen naruto tank hits from swords several times before in weaker forms.

The only reasonable conclusion is him getting stabbed was an outlier or sasukes sword is superior to the other swords that couldnt pierce naruto.

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#102 Posted by Undre (3237 posts) - - Show Bio

The sword/split durability argument is dumb and lazy. We've seen naruto tank hits from swords several times before in weaker forms.

The only reasonable conclusion is him getting stabbed was an outlier or sasukes sword is superior to the other swords that couldnt pierce naruto.

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Maybe its just me

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#103 Posted by Ninelven (203 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

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#105 Posted by Jko1 (3028 posts) - - Show Bio

@yray said:

Even if we wank naruto and say he hits as hard as G4 Luffy ( although he has no physical feats at G4 luffys lvl) kaido would still stomp him effortlessly...hell even low tier characters who luffy would oneshot have way more physical strength than any version of Naruto has shown

Are you trolling? Or do you honestly think that Sage of 6 paths Naruto has worse physical strength than a Pacifista?

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#106 Posted by maestromage (1364 posts) - - Show Bio

Apparently, I'm the only one who remembers Naruto Tanking EoS Sasuke's Chidori to the face. Him getting stabbed by Sasuke's sword is either PIS or Sasuke's sword is special (it could be the seconds as he also used it to cut Madara in half).

OT: Don't know enough about Kaido to comment

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#107 Posted by ElderElijah190 (2035 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaido one-shot with a decent slap to naruto's face.

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#108 Edited by Mee09 (5711 posts) - - Show Bio
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#109 Posted by Yray (480 posts) - - Show Bio

@jko1 said:
@yray said:

Even if we wank naruto and say he hits as hard as G4 Luffy ( although he has no physical feats at G4 luffys lvl) kaido would still stomp him effortlessly...hell even low tier characters who luffy would oneshot have way more physical strength than any version of Naruto has shown

Are you trolling? Or do you honestly think that Sage of 6 paths Naruto has worse physical strength than a Pacifista?

I wasn't referring to a pacifista ..I was referring toHajrudin who punched away 10,000 tons of falling weight( that weighs more than the Eiffel tower) with enough force to break the sound barrier and send said weight flying up into the sky while his bones in his arm were fractured ...no one in naruto has any physical strength feats on this lvl . Hajrudin was also one shotted by g2 luffy..kaido scales magnitudes above Hajrudin physically

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#111 Posted by IchiGODgo (44 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaido solos the verse

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#113 Posted by weebbicboi (1076 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaido solos the verse

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#114 Posted by ElderElijah190 (2035 posts) - - Show Bio

@mee09: did the perfect susanoo attack naruto via pure physicals though? Nope.

Kaido still eclipse him in h2h and he gets pummelled tbh.

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#115 Posted by D_AeroFlame_Z (315 posts) - - Show Bio
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#116 Edited by KingZod (3993 posts) - - Show Bio

There's something I don't understand concerning the evaluation of Naruto's moon splitting durability feat. If blunt force durability is measure by the capacity to resist trauma generated by physical force then why can't Naruto's blunt force durability be measured to continental (the level of feat at the bare minimum).

Anyways, Naruto stomps as statues can't fight back, I don't see any reason why Kaido, durable as he is, would still be standing after being bombarded with hundred to thousands of Mountain level punches.

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#117 Posted by KingZod (3993 posts) - - Show Bio

@yray: Kurama lifting and flinging away a small mountain sized golem, Kaguya shattering Sasuke's PS, Sasuke slicing a mountain in half with the air pressure of a PS sword slash.

People really just love to pretend like strength feats don't even exist in Naruto

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#118 Posted by Ninelven (203 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

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#119 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (3551 posts) - - Show Bio

In pure H2H Kaido would take this based on his showing against G4 Luffy.

I also don't see him having as much trouble tagging Naruto as people seem to think he would have.

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#121 Posted by RuthlessKiller (978 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto is too durable for kaido to harm. Naruto's punches can also kill kaido.

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#123 Posted by Barista_Nate (56 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffys King Kong gun is small island level. Doffy used his strongest attack which was just below that level and KKG blew right through it. This puts luffys physical durability at least small island level.

Luffy is more than triple that durability at least, in wano. He got no sold by Kaidou with a casual strike. This puts kaidous striking strength at least Island level since regular Kong Gun scales up. Mountain striking punches ain't doing shit.

Considering WB, while sick casually broke the ocean surrounding marineford and fucked up the entire island by itself. Which came from the shockwave mind you. Most of that punch's energy went straight to Akainu.

This puts Akainu at large island durability. And Kaidou is stronger by multiple magnitudes of strength.

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#124 Posted by Earendill (1080 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto and thousands clone wins.

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#126 Posted by Ninelven (203 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

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#127 Posted by EcoBlitz (4891 posts) - - Show Bio

@limitlesssigil: you could use Thanos as an example of physical and energy durability. The former for him is much much below the latter

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#129 Posted by Skrskr (3478 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaido stomps

Naruto literally has no physical striking feats relevant at all, and no PHYSICAL durability showings to even be worth mentioning.

A casual swing bfr’d someone off his island

He survived a 10,000 meter fall with no damage

He no sold g4 barrage

Everyone has been posting energy showings for naruto which has zero relevance here.

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#130 Posted by ManimalMan (818 posts) - - Show Bio

Theres no real difference between physical and energy durability. Kaido wouldnt scratch him

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#131 Posted by insaneMonk (137 posts) - - Show Bio

Alot of HST characters have split durability , plethora of comic book characters have split durability even characters far stronger than naruto have split durability but all of a sudden Naruto is immune to split durability ..I'm weak

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#132 Posted by weebbicboi (1076 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto still stomps

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#133 Posted by Tyki_Mikk25 (137 posts) - - Show Bio
@skrskr said:

Kaido stomps

Naruto literally has no physical striking feats relevant at all, and no PHYSICAL durability showings to even be worth mentioning.

A casual swing bfr’d someone off his island

He survived a 10,000 meter fall with no damage

He no sold g4 barrage

Everyone has been posting energy showings for naruto which has zero relevance here.

This..

Kaido would to the same to Naruto as he did to Luffy, can´t see how Naruto can overpowered Kaido who is much stronger in physcial feats then Gear 4 Luffy.

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#134 Posted by MrViking (809 posts) - - Show Bio

In H2H ??

I bet on the pirate guy with the horns .

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#135 Edited by katanalauncher (3613 posts) - - Show Bio

Some very intersting discussion here, I agree with the notion that split durability is *mostly* bullshit.

I wish there are more discussion about it on the vine that dont turn into insults from both sides though.

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#136 Posted by shirso (4019 posts) - - Show Bio

@katanalauncher: Spit durability is not just a thing in fiction, but real life as well.

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#137 Posted by TheVivas (19444 posts) - - Show Bio

Since OP said Naruto isn’t restricted to base, that means he can fly, has access to chakra arms that were matching Kaguya’s for a bit (the same chakra arms that overpowered Sasuke’s Perfect Susanoo), can gather his chakra into his hand like he did against Toneri for a punch stronger than a nuke (fan calc), has precog and negative emotion sensing, Frog Kata, and the speed and stamina to literally dance around Kaido for days.

And if he’s allowed to summon his Kurama avatar, that’s just another weapon.

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#138 Posted by deactivated-5c531dce659a2 (1106 posts) - - Show Bio

^ I was just about to say, Naruto can match Kaguya's punches who can melt a PS.

Naruto should win this.

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#139 Posted by katanalauncher (3613 posts) - - Show Bio

@shirso:

Only true to a certain extend, for example Kevlar cannot block knife as easily as bullets, since Kevlar is design to distribute the energy of the bullet impact, same with metals with low melting point that can take a lot of kinetic energy.

But when people starts to argue that people with above certain level of energy durability, can be hurt by energy orders of magnitude lower just because they don't have feat in that department it becomes a problem. For example planet level character can be hurt by city level punches because they don't have "physical feats" etc

People also often convincingly forget that most energy attack in fiction have kinetic energy behind them, making them no different than a punch or kick other than the distribution of forces.

For example in Naruto almost every attack have kinetic energy behind them, as almost no attack is purely heat based other than katon and enton.

It gets extra ridiculous when people starts to argue about piercing durability as if that's a separate thing from other physical attack, when in fact it's just kinetic energy concentrated at a edge or point

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#140 Edited by Yassassin (7697 posts) - - Show Bio

What do you guys think an Bijuu bomb does to a mountain range? Magic it away? Its blows it up using force, and that's the main ingredient to a punch. So until Kaido punches an island to nothing he's not even making Naruto step back let alone beating him.

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#141 Posted by LoveEveryone (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

Still Naruto he did this in a weaker form than SO6PM against a Moon Slicer

https://youtu.be/FCH5HagBDvc

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#143 Posted by Ninelven (203 posts) - - Show Bio

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#144 Posted by zxc6 (608 posts) - - Show Bio

Kaido

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#145 Posted by WhatamIseeing (1666 posts) - - Show Bio

if this is base teen naruto yes kaido can win

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#146 Posted by ManimalMan (818 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre said:
@manimalman said:

The sword/split durability argument is dumb and lazy. We've seen naruto tank hits from swords several times before in weaker forms.

The only reasonable conclusion is him getting stabbed was an outlier or sasukes sword is superior to the other swords that couldnt pierce naruto.

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#147 Posted by shirso (4019 posts) - - Show Bio

Isn't EoS Naruto relativistic or something? Kaido doesn't have the feats to fight him. Yet.

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#148 Posted by Streak619 (7616 posts) - - Show Bio

Current Naruto solos the verse

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#149 Posted by FaradaySloth (9307 posts) - - Show Bio
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#150 Posted by Undre (3237 posts) - - Show Bio

@manimalman: still doesn't explain how sasuke was stabbed by basic shiriken