@haoshoku: Masked Ichigo has reflexes and agility to dodge Gin's Bankai, which is Mach 500 and in Dangai can blitz Butterly Aizen, whom in base was >>>>>> Mach 500.
In contrast to the popular wanking by OP fans, not a single character in OP is Mach 100 unless you can concretely prove it with statement/evidence and not hyperbole and headcanon. OP characters are slow as shit; it takes over 100 chapters for Straw Hats to get from point A to point B within the same island, and most islands in OP scale real life city-sized.
Kubo actually uses numbers throughout the manga to give general ideas, and speed examples like Gin's Bankai. Whereas Oda uses plain metaphor statements, like Kizaru being lightspeed. So if you're gonna reply to me, don't bother replying with your headcanon measurements or fan calcs.
Bleach speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One Piece speed any day.
@skysanji: It's going to be even worse after Want Kuni considering all of the swordsmen he's bound to fight and stomp. I doubt the "no cutting resistance" argument will be a popular one in a month or so.
@skysanji: Oh, it's you fodder debater. Asshurt as always.
-Gin's Bankai statement is supported by a number, like in most cases in Bleach. It's a number directly from the author, not fanboy headcanon or metaphor statements like in OP.
-Lightspeed crosses the earth 7 times in just one second. Kizaru (fastest OP character) uses a ship to transport himself from Marineford to Sabaody. Seems legit.
Masked Ichigo has reflexes and agility to dodge Gin's Bankai
Which isn't even twice the speed of lightning. I'm honestly not impressed.
and in Dangai can blitz Butterly Aizen
Who was faster than Kamishini no Yari by an unquantifiable amount.
In contrast to the popular wanking by OP fans
One Piece is consistently the most downplayed HST series both on and off of this site, so I really have no idea where you're getting this nonsense from.
not a single character in OP is Mach 100
Not even the characters that can literally transform into lightning (Mach 290) or light (Mach 874,365)? Something seems fishy here.
unless you can concretely prove it with statement/evidence
Have you not read One Piece? It's not hard to come across good feats:
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Your average meteorite falls at approximately Mach 208 (which isn't quite lightning timing, but they have feats for that as well).
and not hyperbole and headcanon
I hope you're not referring to Kizaru here, as that argument is dumb.
It takes over 100 chapters for Straw Hats to get from point A to point B within the same island, and most islands in OP scale real life city-sized.
Are you seriously trying to take their dramatic and narratively driven travel speed and apply that to their combat speed? I'm sorry, but that doesn't work.
Kubo actually uses numbers throughout the manga to give general ideas
Good for him? It doesn't disqualify One Piece from being fast as well.
Whereas Oda uses plain metaphor statements, like Kizaru being lightspeed
How is that a metaphor? He himself is light, and therefore moves at the speed of light as stated by Kizaru and Oda himself.
So if you're gonna reply to me
The nonsense you're spewing right now is kind of deterring me from continuing this conversation past what I'm typing now if I'm being honest.
don't bother replying with your headcanon measurements or fan calcs
No calculations or headcanon present here.
Bleach speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One Piece speed any day
You haven't done an exceptionally good job proving that, but it's whatever. I really don't care to continue such an argument with someone who is probably too stubborn to think logically and accept the truth.
@skysanji: Oh, it's you fodder debater. Asshurt as always.
-Gin's Bankai statement is supported by a number, like in most cases in Bleach. It's a number directly from the author, not fanboy headcanon or metaphor statements like in OP.
-Lightspeed crosses the earth 7 times in just one second. Kizaru (fastest OP character) uses a ship to transport himself from Marineford to Sabaody. Seems legit.
I'm hurt? No you just say the most asinine things for example "4 story buildings are 5 meters" and get clowned on, on every thread just like at what you said on this thread "city sized Islands"
So because it's supported by a number that means you can ignore all other statements that aren't? There goes any statements ever seen in the Manga and comic book universes by your logic of course.....
Kizaru can't control his Movement which is why he uses this technique:
So Kizaru using a ship to go from place to place isn't contradicted by anything, next arguement.
"Gin's Bankai is Mach 500 because he said so and databooks back it up, even though the entire point of Gin's character is that he is a lying snake"
Cool, Kizaru being light speed is also backed up by character statements, his ability literally being referred to as light, feats like his light reflecting off surfaces, and "drumroll", the all important Databooks.
"No, Kizaru being lightspeed is a metaphor, muH WAnKIng"
@skysanji: It’s a hill on top of a plateau. If he destroyed the entire thing it would be a mountain level feat, but he only destroyed the area of a small hill.
@skysanji: It’s a hill on top of a plateau. If he destroyed the entire thing it would be a mountain level feat, but he only destroyed the area of a small hill.
yeah I'm not saying it's mountain level just that it was a mountain not a hill as you were suggesting.
Glad to see that you're not in denial like that other guy.
but that doesn't mean he's LS for every fight he's in
This is actually contradicted by what Kizaru himself says:
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He implies that he's going to kick Basil Hawkins at the speed of light and then proceeds to completely statue him and every other Supernova present.
nor does anyone who wasn't blitzed is also LS/Relativistic
The only people who have actually fought him without getting blitzed are some of the fastest characters in One Piece and don't have any anti-feats or inconsistencies to suggest that they don't move at or close to same speed. It's obvious that characters like Luffy and everyone else in his tier aren't even close to being that fast, but characters like Marco and Rayleigh are uncontested and most definitely are unless you can somehow prove otherwise. I know we're having a CAV currently, so it's all good with me if you want to save this debate for when that time comes.
@haoshoku: ''Which isn't even twice the speed of lightning. I'm honestly not impressed.''
No one cares if you're impressed or not.
''Who was faster than Kamishini no Yari by an unquantifiable amount.''
Okay...
''One Piece is consistently the most downplayed HST series both on and off of this site, so I really have no idea where you're getting this nonsense from.''
I mean, look at your profile picture and assertions. You're OP fanboy and blinded obviously. Everyone in here knows OP is the most overwanked manga. I'm not even a Bleach fan to begin with, but I do accept its power-levels are beyond that of One Piece. All you have to do is look at the threads, where OP characters are pinned in vs matchups against God tiers or high tiers of Bleach and Naruto, and when some even think they win.
''Not even the characters that can literally transform into lightning (Mach 290) or light (Mach 874,365)? Something seems fishy here.''
I'll copy what I said:
-Lightspeed crosses the earth 7 times in just one second. Kizaru (fastest OP character) uses a ship to transport himself from Marineford to Sabaody. Seems legit.
''Your average meteorite falls at approximately Mach 208 (which isn't quite lightning timing, but they have feats for that as well).''
And where the fuck did you get Mach 208?
Small meteoroids enter the Earth's atmosphere at speeds between 34 mach and 220 mach, depending on their size.
Fujitora's meteor speed was in the Mach 34 range, which is consistent with the speed scaling. Not only that, what you posted is a reaction feat and not speed feat. Try again.
''Are you seriously trying to take their dramatic and narratively driven travel speed and apply that to their combat speed? I'm sorry, but that doesn't work.''
Lol, excuses. Fine, I'll bring up more common examples:
-Doflamingo takes about 10 chapters from Dressrosa to Punk Hazard, and the two islands are near each other as stated by Law.
-Marineford, the tiny island, that's around 1km to 2km yet supposedly the high tiers of OP take over 50 chapters getting around it.
By comparison, each of the Seireitei gates takes 10 days walk. I mean, come on, there are power-levels to this.
''How is that a metaphor? He himself is light, and therefore moves at the speed of light as stated by Kizaru and Oda himself.''
Defiantly lightspeed that he needs a ship from Marineford to Sabaody, when light crosses the earth 7 times in 1 second. Lol. If you can't comprehend metaphor statements, then you're beyond help. Things like these are learnt at school.
''You haven't done an exceptionally good job proving that, but it's whatever. I really don't care to continue such an argument with someone who is probably too stubborn to think logically and accept the truth.''
Glad to see that you're not in denial like that other guy.
I find it pretty tough to deny Kizaru being LS when he can move at light and can shoot literal light beams. It'd be like saying Luffy isn't rubber.
This is actually contradicted by what Kizaru himself says:
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He implies that he's going to kick Basil Hawkins at the speed of light and then proceeds to completely statue every him and every other Supernova present.
This...doesn't say Kizaru fights at LS all the time in every fight. He just announces he will be kicking Basil at the speed of light.
The only people who have actually fought him without getting blitzed are some of the fastest characters in One Piece and don't have any anti-feats or inconsistencies to suggest that they don't move at or close to same speed. It's obvious that characters like Luffy and everyone else in his tier aren't even close to being that fast, but characters like Marco and Rayleigh are uncontested and most definitely are unless you can somehow prove otherwise.
Marco has never been shown to react and fight with LS Kizaru, for example, regular Kizaru blocked a kick from Marco, and regular Kizaru obviously doesn't move at LS, or else we would've seen him turn into light. And Marco has never actually reacted to an LS beam un-prepared.
If you're talking about that moment when Rayleigh slashed at Kizaru when he was about to turn into light, that was clearly in the same realm as aim-dodging, because the thing with Kizaru is that he alwayscharges up going into LS, which is why it's not impossible to defeat Kizaru, he never instantly moves into LS. Even if the Basil Hawkin's scan he charged up, it's just Basil didn't pay attention. And definitely with Rayleigh since kizaru was already firing Yata no Kagami so Rayleigh was already prepared for Kizaru to shoot.
@skysanji: ''Kizaru can't control his Movement which is why he uses this technique:''
You know he can manually turn himself to light without a technique, right? Something every Logia can do. But yet he uses a ship as means of transportion. Defiantly lightspeed. I guess you'll also accept that Haku is lightspeed too, and most Naruto characters are lightspeed and above, right?
You say things that kill brain cells, like Fujitora's meteors are mountain-sized and Greenbit is the size of Konoha. Memorable quotes you have there, donkey.
I find it pretty tough to deny Kizaru being LS when he can move at light and can shoot literal light beams. It'd be like saying Luffy isn't rubber.
Quite the fine way of putting it.
This...doesn't say Kizaru fights at LS all the time in every fight
It says that he can, in fact, fight normally at those speeds. I see no reason for him not to be doing so most if not all of the time considering it's his main power.
He just announces he will be kicking Basil at the speed of light
Yeah, that's really all I set out to prove. It's common for people to deny even that for absolutely no logical reason whatsoever.
Marco has never been shown to react and fight with LS Kizaru
I'm sorry, but this isn't correct in the slightest:
Marco blocks the light beams from Kizaru after they're fired casually and without any noticable issues. In addition to that, we see Kizaru actually shocked by this.
regular Kizaru blocked a kick from Marco
Which shows that he was fast enough to warrant Kizaru blocking rather than dodging as he usually does in these situations.
and regular Kizaru obviously doesn't move at LS
It's actually implied that he does move at or close to those speeds without ever needing to transform his whole body into light (just singular limbs).
And Marco has never actually reacted to an LS beam un-prepared
What do you mean by unprepared? Kizaru fired the beam and he had time to transform into his hybrid state as well as to fly over to block it.
that was clearly in the same realm as aim-dodging
Rayleigh was standing completely still as he was moving and wasn't even looking at him when he transformed and began traveling, though:
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He would have needed to be moving at or very close to the speed of light to intercept Kizaru any way you try and spin it.
Even if the Basil Hawkin's scan he charged up, it's just Basil didn't pay attention
Come on, you know that isn't right. It has nothing to do with him paying attention, as the same thing happened to X Drake and Scratchmen Apoo while they were fully alert.
And definitely with Rayleigh since kizaru was already firing Yata no Kagami so Rayleigh was already prepared for Kizaru to shoot
Rayleigh wasn't even looking at Kizaru when he began using Yata no Kagami. I don't think he even knew what the technique was or how it worked (they didn't have any known interaction before this).
@skysanji: ''Kizaru can't control his Movement which is why he uses this technique:''
You know he can manually turn himself to light without a technique, right? Something every Logia can do. But yet he uses a ship as means of transportion. Defiantly lightspeed.
How dense can you be? IF KIZARU USES LIGHT FOR MOVEMENT HE CANT CONTROL IT AS HE WOULD GO AROUND THE WORLD 7 TIMES IN A SECOND THAT'S WHY HE USES THE YATA NO KAGAMI TECHNIQUE TO CONTROL WHICH DIRECTION HE GOES IN he has done this on two separate occasions, do you understand?
I guess you'll also accept that Haku is lightspeed too, and most Naruto characters are lightspeed and above, right?
Yeah no. That would be considered an outlier seeing how Sasuke and Zetsu were hyping up a Lightning speed attack The same Sasuke who as a kid with only 1 tomoe could react to Haku and save Naruto on 2 separate occasions, You see that statement gets contradicted by many feats seen throughout the series meanwhile Kizaru's statement isn't
You say things that kill brain cells, like Fujitora's meteors are mountain-sized and Greenbit is the size of Konoha. Memorable quotes you have there, donkey.
you act as if I said the meteor he brought down on Dressrosa was mount Fuji size.
I didn't know an Island(Greenbit) could be bigger than a city sized Konoha....oh wait
also says the one who said The forest of Death dwarfs Dressrosa....
It says that he can, in fact, fight normally at those speeds. I see no reason for him not to be doing so most if not all of the time considering it's his main power.
The manga clearly shows this to not be the case, otherwise every time we would see him would be at LS. And it makes perfect sense for him to not fight at LS all the time since he charges every strike, so he's a pretty big sitting duck to anyone who has Busoshoku Haki.
Yeah, that's really all I set out to prove.
Which isn't a counter to what I originally said.
I'm sorry, but this isn't correct in the slightest:
Marco blocks the light beams from Kizaru after they're fired casually and without any noticable issues. In addition to that, we see Kizaru actually shocked by this.
Yeah, stand by my original statement, this doesn't show Marco reacting to this, Marco like any other WB pirate naturally protects Whitebeard, hell, Marco was already on guard for Kizaru to do something like that, and with Kizaru clearly preparing the attack, it puts Marco's "feat" in the same realm as aim dodging, only this time he blocked it.
Which shows that he was fast enough to warrant Kizaru blocking rather than dodging as he usually does in these situations.
...and?
It's actually implied that he does move at or close to those speeds without ever needing to transform his whole body into light (just singular limbs).
It clearly does not show this in every fight he is in, I don't know what the hell you're seeing mate lol.
What do you mean by unprepared?
An actual light beam coming out of nowhere and shooting at him before he can process of reacting.
Kizaru fired the beam and he had time to transform into his hybrid state as well as to fly over to block it.
The former part you don't know, Jozu was already using his DF powers right at the start, Marco could've too.
Rayleigh was standing completely still as he was moving and wasn't even looking at him when he transformed and began traveling, though:
You can't confirm this given on the panels, this is merely your assumption
He would have needed to be moving at or very close to the speed of light to intercept Kizaru any way you try and spin it.
Yeah, I'm not spinning it, Rayleigh clearly was given enough time to slash Kizaru when he was preparing to travel.
Come on, you know that isn't right. It has nothing to do with him paying attention, as the same thing happened to X Drake and Scratchmen Apoo while they were fully alert.
Basil wasn't even looking at Kizaru atm. When Kizaru later impaled Basil, Basil clearly noticed Kizaru charging up for his attack then
Rayleigh wasn't even looking at Kizaru when he began using Yata no Kagami. I don't think he even knew what the technique was or how it worked (they didn't have any known interaction before this).
To assume Rayleigh doesn't know an Admiral's power is silly, any high-top tier would know how powerful Admiral's are. And yata no Kagami doesn't instantly transport Kizaru, he needs to at least fie the beam first, which gave Rayleigh enough time to slash at Kizaru.
otherwise every time we would see him would be at LS
Not necessarily. It's not like he can't control when he's moving at these speeds, as transforming a limb seems to be the catalyst for this.
And it makes perfect sense for him to not fight at LS all the time
It really wouldn't make any sense for him to do that.
since he charges every strike
He doesn't, nor does this have anything to do with him being able to move that fast in or out of combat due to the fact that he can simply transform limbs.
so he's a pretty big sitting duck to anyone who has Busoshoku Haki
This isn't really a counter to what I said.
this doesn't show Marco reacting to this
What? We clearly see him move after they're fired, meaning that he factually was moving faster or at least as fast as they were.
Marco like any other WB pirate naturally protects Whitebeard
Which means nothing and doesn't help your case.
Marco was already on guard for Kizaru to do something like that
How do you know that? There's literally no evidence for this.
and with Kizaru clearly preparing the attack
Not really, he kind of just did it.
it puts Marco's "feat" in the same realm as aim dodging
He factually moved fast enough to block an attack traveling at the speed of light. In no way is this the same as aim-dodging, as we see him move after it's fired.
...and?
Kizaru has light speed reactions, so simply moving out of the way in light form would've worked unless Marco was simply too fast for that.
It clearly does not show this in every fight he is in
This is both wrong and not much of a counter to what I said.
The former part you don't know
We see Marco standing on the ship in base a few pages before this.
Jozu was already using his DF powers right at the start, Marco could've too
You have no way to prove that.
You can't confirm this given on the panels
No, this is fact; we see him staring in the direction of the Straw Hats as Kizaru uses Yata no Kagami and then move to intercept him afterwards.
Yeah, I'm not spinning it
You are, and in a very disingenuous way.
Rayleigh clearly was given enough time to slash Kizaru when he was preparing to travel
He slashed him while he was already in motion, meaning that he factually moved as fast or faster than the speed of light.
Basil wasn't even looking at Kizaru atm
They were literally carrying on a conversation and looking right at each other.
Basil clearly noticed Kizaru charging up for his attack then
That's because he stopped to charge up there, but not before. It was an attack that he actually shot at Basil and not his own body moving.
To assume Rayleigh doesn't know an Admiral's power is silly
To assume that Rayleigh knew the exact workings of a technique he had never encountered simply because he also knew said Admiral's name is just as if not more silly by a fair margin.
any high-top tier would know how powerful Admiral's are
Knowing how powerful he was has nothing to do with what I said.
which gave Rayleigh enough time to slash at Kizaru
He slashed a beam of light that had started moving while he wasn't even looking at it. If you think that this doesn't constitute as a light speed feat, there's a bit of downplay or reverse favoritism going on here (no offense). I think I'm going to delve into this more heavily if it comes up in our CAV due to how precognition with Kenbunshoku Haki works, so I'll finish this there. I appreciate you taking the time to debate with me, as these posts were pretty long.
Not necessarily. It's not like he can't control when he's moving at these speeds, as transforming a limb seems to be the catalyst for this.
This...also doesn't counter anything I said.
It really wouldn't make any sense for him to do that.
If you actually read past what I wrote there you'd wouldn't have made three separate responses.
He doesn't
Show us one time he didn't do this and still moved at LS.
nor does this have anything to do with him being able to move that fast in or out of combat due to the fact that he can simply transform limbs.
When he transforms limbs they become LS. When he doesn't, they're normal body parts moving at Kizaru's own speed. Not sure what is so hard to understand here.
This isn't really a counter to what I said.
It absolutely is. It shows how scans of people "reacting" to Kizaru are really just aim-dodging or attacking Kizaru with Busoshoku Haki since Kizaru charges up his attacks every time.
What? We clearly see him move after they're fired, meaning that he factually was moving faster or at least as fast as they were.
Is Whitebeard saying a sentence factually LS too? It's not reacting when you're already prepped for an attack and able to just jump right in front of it right when it's fired.
Which means nothing and doesn't help your case.
Read past a few words, it'll help you.
How do you know that? There's literally no evidence for this.
Are you seriously suggesting that the strongest WB pirate apart from Edward himself wasn't on-guard for his boss potentially getting attacked? Even when people like Jozu were ready.
Ok...
Not really, he kind of just did it.
When it takes a whole panel to say the attack name, while form light beams from your fingers, that's called preparing.
He factually moved fast enough to block an attack traveling at the speed of light. In no way is this the same as aim-dodging, as we see him move after it's fired.
There's no evidence suggesting he didn't move until after it was fired, he was offscreen the entire time before that.
Kizaru has light speed reactions
He has no feats of this.
This is both wrong and not much of a counter to what I said.
It's factually right and it's a counter.
We see Marco standing on the ship in base a few pages before this.
"few pages" You realize this helps my claim of Marco powering up and flying before Kizaru shoots the beam, right?
You have no way to prove that.
Just basic logic is enough evidence.
No, this is fact; we see him staring in the direction of the Straw Hats as Kizaru uses Yata no Kagami and then move to intercept him afterwards.
Show Rayleigh looking at the Strawhats specifically when kizaru was entering LS state.
He slashed him while he was already in motion, meaning that he factually moved as fast or faster than the speed of light.
Not reacting, already was about to slash, stop trying to push with this false claim.
They were literally carrying on a conversation and looking right at each other.
Basil was literally looking at his own cards making calculations.
That's because he stopped to charge up there, but not before. It was an attack that he actually shot at Basil and not his own body moving.
Do you clearly not see Kizaru's kicks and beams have the same exact showing and light circular pattern. They're the same thing
To assume that Rayleigh knew the exact workings of a technique he had never encountered simply because he also knew said Admiral's name is just as if not more silly by a fair margin.
I think you underestimate Rayleigh then.
He slashed a beam of light that had started moving while he wasn't even looking at it. If you think that this doesn't constitute as a light speed feat, there's a bit of downplay or reverse favoritism going on here (no offense).
@skysanji: in every instance of him using his DF he has always charged it up. At least when he personally moves at those speeds. That's how people have always intercepted him like whitebeard yet they couldn't dodge bullets or cannons
@skysanji: in every instance of him using his DF he has always charged it up. At least when he personally moves at those speeds. That's how people have always intercepted him like whitebeard yet they couldn't dodge bullets or cannons
Whitebeard is a Tank he has never dodged anything at all.
I just see kaido being more superior in an all out bloodlusted battle.
All his feats were done casually and in his weakest form and it's still enough to know that base kaido is far above mountain lvl characters
Whereas aizen was surprised that his parry shockwave can vape a very small hill, indicating that's an impressive strength feat from his perspective even though in a much weaker state he could ragdoll almost all the captins physically and base zoro has physical feats that shits on that
And we know base kaido would stomp current zoro casually
Personally bleach scaling goes like this
Ulquiorra mountain lvl (with lanza)
Monster aizen multi mountain lvl (with fagor) his physical stats are quite below mountain lvl
Dangai ichigo probably island lvl (with final getsuga) physical stats are best multi mountain lvl
Base kaido would be more than enough to give dangai a tough fight where dangai can take it mid diff but scaling off that means
@skysanji: he still swung that fast. It's not like he decided to swipe away the bullets which would be the far superior decision given his health at the time
@skysanji: *Sigh* Getting hyped up over clouds being cut. It's just gas for God sake. Get some education
No getting hyped off of their physicals not only sending Shockwave throughout Onigashima unless you have selective seeing and missed the crackles on the Island, also splitting the clouds which means that it also reached at least 1km in the air said attack is also dwarfing Onigashima Island as you can see the Ocean view shows Onigashima tiny in comparison.
wouldnt expect you to understand since you are constantly lowballing One Piece.
@skysanji: *Sigh* Getting hyped up over clouds being cut. It's just gas for God sake. Get some education
Oh sorry, didn't know that splitting clouds and causing turbulence in the ocean over an area dwarfing an island many many times with the shockwave of a no name clash not even using armament haki would be fodder to even Chapter 1 Naruto. Really, I am deeply apologetic for my oversight.
@skysanji: That's not how you even quantify feats. Regardless of their shockwave travelling over the cloud distance, there is nothing quantifiable about a gas matter being cut, due to the fucking fact gas matter have virtually no compactness in them and thus no durability whatsoever. Literally basic shit we learned from school. Pre time skip Luffy's feats of breaking rocks are better than that.
You're a lost cause, skysanji. You really are. I feel sorry for you. There are mental health centers that can treat you, if you're looking for help
@skysanji: That's not how you even quantify feats. Regardless of their shockwave travelling over the cloud distance, there is nothing quantifiable about a gas matter being cut, due to the fucking fact gas matter have virtually no compactness in them and thus no durability whatsoever. Literally basic shit we learned from school. Pre time skip Luffy's feats of breaking rocks are better than that.
You're a lost cause, skysanji. You really are. I feel sorry for you. There are mental health centers that can treat you, if you're looking for help
I already said That the cloud cutting part isn't what's impressive about the feat so you just went on a spiel, essentially
and I quote:
No getting hyped off of their physicals not only sending Shockwave throughout Onigashima unless you have selective seeing and missed the crackles on the Island, also splitting the clouds which means that it also reached at least 1km in the air said attack is also dwarfing Onigashima Island as you can see the Ocean view shows Onigashima tiny in comparison.
wouldnt expect you to understand since you are constantly lowballing One Piece.
mr. Pain solo's the Strawhats and WHITEBEARD
Mr. the Buddha hand dwarfs Dressrosa
That's exactly what was written on post #89
the whole rest of your post is getting flagged apparently you can't go a few seconds without trying to insult someone, are you salty?
With an indirect nonchalant parry Ichigo was able to completely sublimate thousands of tons of rock instantly.
With a casual swing of his blade he was able to overpower an attack comprised of 12 on panel multi-mountain level attacks which are individually much stronger when scaling is involved.
Splitting the clouds over a small island might as well be the same as kicking up dirt in comparison to what Ichigo has done. He‘d tank being in the middle of both their attacks with as much boredom as when he tanked Hado 90.
That is just the beginning bro, wait until Kaido pulls out some crazy country lvl feats(spliting wano in half or something). He just casually clash with Big mom without using even CoA...
Not really sure how a parry splitting gas matter compares to a solid object the size of a hill weighing several million tons of rock being vaporized by casual sword parry. Ichigo curbstomps Kaido still and 1 vs 1 one-shots any OP char
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