Kaido vs Byakuya, Ban and Mercphobia

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Poll Kaido vs Byakuya, Ban and Mercphobia (90 votes)

Kaido is a Fish, Byakuya turns him to sushi 27%
Ban is a perfect counter against him 12%
Merc drowns him 23%
No one. Kaido blitzes them into oblivion 38%

Who can counter Kaido's durability/his tough scale and defeat him?

Bloodlusted on

Starting distance: 50 feet

Both sides have knowledge

  • Bankai Byakuya (blood war arc)
  • Post-Purgatory Ban
  • Dragon God Mercphobia
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kaido pimpslaps fodder byakuya ,where is this byakuya wank comming from?

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@ssjbatdan: And what is this mountain lvl attack by the way?

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Byakuya solos.

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@yray: Byakuya can match Gerard who's equal to full power Kenpachi.

That's like bare minimum mutli country level, Kaido isn't on that level.

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How does Kaido resist getting his heart taken from Ban in the first place? And Byakuya should win against him.

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@exauce: Zoro

How does Kaido resist getting his heart taken from Ban in the first place? And Byakuya should win against him.

Can't ban like infinitely divide his opponent's energy and add it to his own, too?

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#57  Edited By Morningstar999

@ssjbatdan said:

@exauce: Zoro

@morningstar999 said:

How does Kaido resist getting his heart taken from Ban in the first place? And Byakuya should win against him.

Can't ban like infinitely divide his opponent's energy and add it to his own, too?

Exactly, I think he is underrated as usual...even though that ability has a limit.

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#58  Edited By exauce

@ssjbatdan:

Zoro

? You talking Zoro hurting Kaido using enma?

How is that mountain lvl?

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@morningstar999: I can't remember how Meliodis defeated it.

@exauce said:

@ssjbatdan:

Zoro

? You talking Zoro hurting Kaido using enma?

How is that mountain lvl?

The air pressure only cut a mountain in half. I think large country is a serious highball.

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@yray: Byakuya can match Gerard who's equal to full power Kenpachi.

That's like bare minimum mutli country level, Kaido isn't on that level.

Kaido is stated to be too powerful for the combined force of the world government & marines to kill and they tried 40x and failed

The marines consists of 5 admirals tier characters each at least country level so he's easily above multi country (kaido scales to at least large country lvl)

And did I mention kaido is casually LS+ by feats ..byakuya isn't anywhere close to that

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@ssjbatdan:

The air pressure only cut a mountain in half. I think large country is a serious highball.

How does that make only mountain lvl? Even Zoro's no-name attack slash through pica with ease and the same Zoro using less powerful Enma was laughed at by Kaido:

And nowhere did I say it Large country, even tho it could very well be since The sword matched Whitebeard.

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@yray: If you want to use janky speed scaling you can't beat Bleach and Multi Country is the LOW end for Byakuya.

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1. Mercuphobia gets thrashed. Drowning Kaido is useless due to his devil fruit.

2. Ban without immortality loses as well. Kaido has better physicals and speed than him.

3. Only trolls would say Byakuya solos op, I’m laughing right now. The guy would lose to an admiral, so he can’t beat Kaido.

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@gilateen: Bruh Byakuya would smash any Admiral.

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@exauce: It's the opposite.

Kenny in his weakest form smashed a Island sized meteor which would yeild anywhere from Country/Continental levels of energy depending on variables. Gerard matched a full power Kenpachi which can be 5-10x stronger and Byakuya was able to smash that same Gerard.

WB isn't on their level.

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@gilateen: that doesn’t make sense at all. Why would a fish devil fruit make him immune to the seawater DF weakness??

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@decaffeinated said:

@gilateen: Bruh Byakuya would smash any Admiral.

Nonsense. A full gravity crush from fujitora could do him in.

I don’t recall any physical feats form byakuya to say he could resist that.

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#71  Edited By wing_dings

@morningstar999 said:

How does Kaido resist getting his heart taken from Ban in the first place? And Byakuya should win against him.

The thing is that he never used it on any notable characters in NNTverse, with the only one being a weakened and off guarded Melascula (who is fodder to Kaido), so it's pretty doubtful to say he can steal anybody's organs.

But yeah, Byakuya can sneak his Senbonzakura inside Kaido's body and attack him internally

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Also, what country level feats does Kaido have??

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#73  Edited By exauce

@decaffeinated:

It's the opposite.

Ain't.

Kenny in his weakest form smashed a Island sized meteor which would yeild anywhere from Country/Continental levels of energy depending on variables. Gerard matched a full power Kenpachi which can be 5-10x stronger and Byakuya was able to smash that same Gerard.

And Whitebeard could casually throw seaquakes that created Tsunami required beyond 10 magnitudes in order to perform. That Akainu casually stepped on his quakes.

WB isn't on their level.

He already beyond it.

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@exauce: You can shake the planet and only need Island levels of energy lol.

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@exauce: Nothing you just posted is even close to ahG I explained sooo.

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@exauce: You can shake the planet and only need Island levels of energy lol.

And Whitebeard has more energy than that, but how so?

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@exauce: The Tsar Bomba sent a shock wave around the Earth twice.

And no WB hasn't shown any feat like shaking the planet.

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@decaffeinated:

The Tsar Bomba sent a shock wave around the Earth twice.

But didn't shake the world, that more AOE than anything.

And no WB hasn't shown any feat like shaking the planet.

I didn't say he did.

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It’s the fish-fish fruit for a reason dude. That’s why he tried jumping off of skypiea to kill himself but that didn’t work, proving he already tried drowning himself before that.

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@exauce: I don't adhere to the whole fancalcs business of scaling off a picture of an island compared to a tidal wave that is just meant to cover half an island. Two quakes covered an island. A punch destroyed a mountain. Anything more is a highball. He's using a Devil Fruit that is meant to cause these effects. You don't really know how it works on the One Piece crust. On top of that, he fought a guy who only changed the landscape of half an island. He should have wrecked him if he was truly large country.

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@ssjbatdan said:
@decaffeinated said:

@gilateen: Bruh Byakuya would smash any Admiral.

Nonsense. A full gravity crush from fujitora could do him in.

I don’t recall any physical feats form byakuya to say he could resist that.

You can just scale it to his Reiatsu level...and even if he gets pinned, then Fujutora is off guard to get diced up by senbonzakura.

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@yray: Byakuya can match Gerard who's equal to full power Kenpachi.

That's like bare minimum mutli country level, Kaido isn't on that level.

Actually, this sort of misleading.

Byakuya never matched the version of Gerald who beat Bankai Kenpachi.

The early version of Gerald, Byakuya parried was weaker then Kenpachi who wasn't even in Shikai

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The first couple scans is Gerald being parried by Byakuya

The next couple scans you see Kenpachi's Zanpakuto not even in Shikai yet is able to slice Gerald's arm off

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Which eventually was overpowered by Gerald getting stronger after Regen

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  • Which neither Toshiro or Byakuya are = to in physicals
  • Toshiro even states they should keep their distance from him
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  • Of course, Gerald transforms again, gets stronger overpowers Bankai Kenpachi
  • In which Tohsiro responds by going adult form and freezing Gerald to the bone, making him easy to break by Byakuya Bankai
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  • And of course, Gerald Regens and becomes even stronger
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So really, if we examine the fight more closely, Byakuya was never actually been shown to be comparable to even Skikai Kenpachi in physicals, let alone Bankai

I would attribute his good Senbonzakura Kageyoshi hit on Gerald mostly to Toshiro freezing him first, tbh

Byakuya is like one of my favorite Bleach characters but would be dishonest for me to say he is comparable to Kenpachi in phsyicals

Maybe you can argue his Bankai can reach level of output that can match Bankai Kenpachi's durability..

That's more of an assumption then something that is concrete though

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@gilateen: that’s speculation. But even if you were to assume that he could breather underwater, that doesn’t change the fact that he’d be immobilized and weakened

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#86  Edited By exauce

@ssjbatdan:

I don't adhere to the whole fancalcs business of scaling off a picture of an island compared to a tidal wave that is just meant to cover half an island.

No idea what you talking about.

Two quakes covered an island. A punch destroyed a mountain. Anything more is a highball.

A single sea quake was already about to destroy the Island if Aokiji didn't freeze it, a Large mountain and he only did it as a battle cry. You forgot about his quakes baby shaking the sea and Islands Lol.

He's using a Devil Fruit that is meant to cause these effects. You don't really know how it works on the One Piece crust. On top of that, he fought a guy who only changed the landscape of half an island. He should have wrecked him if he was truly large country.

No idea why that matters. Sure.....Lol. and climate of that Island as a side effect of the fight and was fighting a guy who was casually freezing oceans. That same guy causally stepped his quakes if don't know.

All I'm seeing in ur post is that, he did x feat so he only that lvl, going by that logic Luffy destroyed a house in wano i guess he is know house lvl Lol.

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@exauce: Ok the best thing you posted was a 10.0 EQ which isn't that impressive.

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@exauce:

Okay. I don't agree with using fancalcs to upscale attacks used in a fictional universe so unlike our own. Nearly everything about the world of One Peice is completely different.

Only as a battle cry? What does that matter? It's a show of his force.

How can you judge how strong an attack is based on a climate changing? It makes absolutely no sense to have two completely opposite climates right next to each other. What we do know is it was only covering half a surface of an island. I think water is easier to freeze than ground. Like, a lot easier. How can you honestly scale this stuff to being country-level in AP? It's using a magical fruit power to make water into ice.

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@decaffeinated: Far beyond a 10.0 mag, even a normal 10.0 has 1 teraton power behind it. And Whitebeard can quake are far I mean far beyond it.

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@ssjbatdan:

Okay. I don't agree with using fancalcs to upscale attacks used in a fictional universe so unlike our own. Nearly everything about the world of One Peice is completely different.

I myself usually don't agree with calc but what are you going to do? eyeball all of his quakes? Then we calc accordingly.

Only as a battle cry? What does that matter? It's a show of his force.

Yea, because it a show of minimum force, it doesn't come close to his full power (which what u trying to imply).

How can you judge how strong an attack is based on a climate changing? It makes absolutely no sense to have two completely opposite climates right next to each other.

because physics mate, Yea that why it fiction and you gotta see it accordingly.

What we do know is it was only covering half a surface of an island. I think water is easier to freeze than ground. Like, a lot easier. How can you honestly scale this stuff to being country-level in AP? It's using a magical fruit power to make water into ice.

Each Island we big on its own but sure, that Aokiji has no problem doing so. because it requires such energy in order to do, that that magical stuff needs x amount of energy in order to perform its feats.

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Ban or Byakuya could take him. Don't know the fairy tail character

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Ban is blitzed and one shotted and Mercphobia too slow

Byakuya is only Kaido level with scaling.

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mercphobia solos

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Stopping Second Vollstandiig Form Gerard is literally all that's needed to know Byakuya's Bankai can be compared to Kenpachi + massively better than any One Piece feat:

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Imagine if people actually read the fight.

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Don't know Merc and Ban isn't beating him but Byakuya claps Kaido.

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@faradaysloth: How would you know? Dont assume stuff without having context. Just accept that the trio loses or give me an actual argument why they win

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@expo7: Didn't he just prove Byakuya scales above Kaido or at least has more concrete evidence to be on Kaido's supposed level? If the argument was that Byakuya doesn't scale to Kenpachi...and Byakuya is literally like, "I got this no problem..."

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@expo7 said:

@faradaysloth: How would you know? Dont assume stuff without having context. Just accept that the trio loses or give me an actual argument why they win

I don't talk with people who have never read Bleach.

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Merc solos by being vastly superior to Kaido in almost every stat. Continental vs Country, Kaido gets one shot

Ban could solo by also being stronger and just stealing his heart

When two characters on one team can solo...you know you made an awesome mismatch lmao

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#100  Edited By SagaTheLegend

Byakuya would need his strongest attack to be able to reach Kenpachi's Shikai level, not just his Bankai. Gerard lolnopped Byakuya's Bankai twice before even using Vollstanding.

But the trio stomps either way.